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Post by Luelle on Mar 21, 2017 1:43:35 GMT
I can't believe it, even IGN is trolling MEA
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Post by dhalion on Mar 21, 2017 1:43:41 GMT
I've been itching for gay dwarves in DA for SO DAMN LONG! Especially male ones, there is not a single known non-straight male dwarf in DA unless you play as one, dwarf LIs pls bioware paging @daveliam edit: I mean technically there is Denier the dwarven prostitute at the Blooming Rose who is constantly boning Templars but I mean..... yeah. I'm a bit worried on how they might handle Mae tbh...but I have some faith in Weekes all our hopes are on you, bbyBased on some of the team's earlier comments I am feeling more positive than not. I think they'll do her justice. The DA team has learned a lot over the years. Oh yeah, is that the dwarf with the hilarious line about his "deep roads?" I always forget about the brothel workers because I never actually used the brothels, oop
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Post by Oswin on Mar 21, 2017 1:47:24 GMT
Bloody 'ell. Dragon Age Inquisition was the first BW game I went in to knowing who I could shag. And you're damn right I planned my playthroughs around that information. I only stuck my head into MEA info about a month ago. I honestly thought this shit would be all be laid out just like it was for DAI. Clearly not. I don't know what I expected from a game that gave me those ME3 Femshep romances. I repressed it all and came back hopeful. Curse you, selective memory!
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Post by ash on Mar 21, 2017 1:47:56 GMT
I can't believe it, even IGN is trolling MEA Actual IGN review for ME:A considered the game to be "meh" if I remember things right. It's almost like they had a completely different version for press show, because back then everybody were "noice", "cool game", "10/10" and now it's more like "well, shit".
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Post by BioFan on Mar 21, 2017 1:48:03 GMT
Has anyone tried BioFan ??? Lady Insanity ??? Surely these people who have played the game are allowed to say now if the embargo is up? Not all embargoes are created equal
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Mar 21, 2017 1:49:10 GMT
Has anyone tried BioFan ??? Lady Insanity ??? Surely these people who have played the game are allowed to say now if the embargo is up? Not all embargoes are created equal Same with romances apparently! </3
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Post by brendanrouth on Mar 21, 2017 1:49:14 GMT
Has anyone tried BioFan ??? Lady Insanity ??? Surely these people who have played the game are allowed to say now if the embargo is up? Not all embargoes are created equal As a gay man how do you feel about all of this?
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Post by riou on Mar 21, 2017 1:49:17 GMT
I'm going to repost what I said in the Jaal thread because it's very relevant to me personally: What upsets me is that Jaal is basically turning into Garrus 2.0 He's this fairly interesting, awesome, infiltrator-esque character who has a close friendship with the male PC and a romance with the female PC and there's no real good reason why he couldn't be for both except that the devs said so. I was already annoyed/upset/miffed over Garrus and now they're repeating it. Again.
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Post by Natashina on Mar 21, 2017 1:50:08 GMT
One thing is for sure: When the initial hype and insanity passes, BioWare needs to read these responses. I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt, I really did. I wanted to think that there was some reason behind the logic that a LGBT+ character has to make sense somehow. Yet, this still leaves me with one big question. Why?
Why are they deciding that people have to make sense in order not to be straight? Why are they basically telling those of us that are not straight that we don't make sense? Why are they getting worse with transgendered characters? Krem was a good start. Why are they deciding to be silent towards the fan base that was the most burned by ME, the gay men?
I know that I find that hurtful and they haven't gotten much better over the years. I know they've come a very long way, but I'm so sick to death of the way they are making a checklist. I know one of the two ladies is going to be a horn dog, because one of the bi characters almost always is. Which yeah, as one of the many bisexual women that hates that trope, it's under my skin. Now it's coming across as a case of "hide the gay away."
I do want to defend the ME:A team here and say that I don't think any of this was intentional. I do believe that whatever may come, they truly do want diversity in their games. However, I beginning to wonder if some of the long development time is showing here. The game has been in development for at least 4 years or so. During that time, folks have come and gone and I'm sure a lot of changes have been made. It's like...they didn't sit down and really pay attention to how that might have come across. Like they didn't see the bigger picture. It's hurtful, but again, not intentional. I did notice that Mac came back in about 2014, after ME:A was going. He hasn't been the best at presenting a positive image of any understanding to gay/bisexual men.
It also shows that (as far as I know,) there is no LGBT+ writers or devs on the ME team. It's one thing to give it a real go and still have faults (like Weekes researching Krem,) it's another thing when it's done so poorly. Maybe if they had had some gay or bisexual men had actually seen the final version of the romance, they might have gone, "Gee, maybe this needs to be looked at again."
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 1:50:54 GMT
I've been mentioning Zootopia a lot, but frankly this whole situation reminds of how great that creative team must have been to avoid the kinds of nonsense here, notably the inclusion of a gay married couple that somehow dodged controversy when they had the same last name in the credits and yet again somehow dodged an uproar months later when it was outright confirmed on Twitter. No lampshading in the movie. No big "oh hi we're married." Nothing like that. No, characters being bi or gay absolutely does not need to be a part of their character or their plot. People are people first, and so much more defines them than that. Am I making this up? Do I remember a developer claiming it had to be some part of who they are? Was that part of the "has to make sense" nonsense or am I merging all kinds of unrelated things? Unlike showing a gay couple, the problem is with a video game TRANS character, there's no way of knowing they're trans without a brief mention or hint at least. So it's finding a way to get that across while still maintaining the integrity of the character and not making them a mouthpiece. And if you don't mention it at all and then have a dev reveal it later you could run into 'Dumbledore isn't gay because it never said so in the books!' type nonsense. For the record I knew Dumbledore was gay for Grindlewald as soon as I'd read those passages.
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Post by metta on Mar 21, 2017 1:52:04 GMT
Could I be mean to my crewmates? I need to be a complete ass to Jaal and Liam Because they won't give me their ass
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Post by Iakus on Mar 21, 2017 1:53:41 GMT
On the bright side, thanks to Andromeda the ME3 endings won't matter anymore. Mission accomplished, I guess? At this rate we'll have a ME4 which time travels us to save Shepard from the endings as we join him to explore the Milky Way. Would buy
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Post by BioFan on Mar 21, 2017 1:53:42 GMT
Not all embargoes are created equal As a gay man how do you feel about all of this? I am very entertained by my love triangle lol. Play the game before you draw your conclusions is what I'll tell you.
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Post by Suaimhneas on Mar 21, 2017 1:53:44 GMT
Could I be mean to my crewmates? I need to be a complete ass to Jaal and Liam I know theres a choice that can result in Jaal breaking up with you if you romance him, hopefully it comes off just as spiteful regardless
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Post by Suaimhneas on Mar 21, 2017 1:54:34 GMT
As a gay man how do you feel about all of this? I am very entertained by my love triangle lol. If it's Gil and Reyes I literally could not be more dehyped. I will literally be hype minus.
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Post by brendanrouth on Mar 21, 2017 1:55:02 GMT
As a gay man how do you feel about all of this? I am very entertained by my love triangle lol. That's cool, but I hope you understand if some other gay dudes (like me) feel really slighted right now.
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Post by sageoflife on Mar 21, 2017 1:55:02 GMT
Now that I've had some time to process it, the revelation that Jaal was never intended to be bi makes me feel a lot better. It wasn't about fears of scaring away the dudebros or not wanting to be labeled as SJWs. They just weren't thinking as much as they should have when they decided who the love interests should be. That's not a good thing obviously, but it means they can improve. I'm still disappointed, but I'm not angry anymore.
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Post by lightdrago3 on Mar 21, 2017 1:56:19 GMT
As a gay man how do you feel about all of this? I am very entertained by my love triangle lol. Play the game before you draw your conclusions is what I'll tell you. Can we please not be vague? Please? I know you're most likely still supposed to keep silent, but can you not tease like this? Everyone here has been hurt a little due to all this stringing along and teasing, and I'd rather not see it happen again.
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Post by brendanrouth on Mar 21, 2017 1:56:21 GMT
Now that I've had some time to process it, the revelation that Jaal was never intended to be bi makes me feel a lot better. It wasn't about fears of scaring away the dudebros or not wanting to be labeled as SJWs. They just weren't thinking as much as they should have when they decided who the love interests should be. That's not a good thing obviously, but it means they can improve. I'm still disappointed, but I'm not angry anymore. I dunno though. We know Tom Taylorson recorded for the Jaalmance. Given this other stuff about the angara having a weird concept of gender and how far Scott can flirt with him without Jaal saying "no thanks bud" makes me feel like he was supposed to be bi. It's definitely a more optimistic interpretation, but I'm not feeling particularly optimistic ATM.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Mar 21, 2017 1:56:27 GMT
As a gay man how do you feel about all of this? I am very entertained by my love triangle lol. Play the game before you draw your conclusions is what I'll tell you. Ah, so settle for the crumbs given and be happy then. I see. I see.
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Post by MrSlothy on Mar 21, 2017 1:56:42 GMT
and just to add, i intend to buy and play mea, i still want to see andromeda go through the new story of sci-fi opera action/rpg (all to rare thing)and eventually see how gil and reyes turn out. the game is not ALL about romance, romance is just quite important part of the character you choose to give special attention to. in that light it only seems fair i pay one third of the asking price at launch of the game, you know, since i will get one third of the content anyway. oh yes, discounted GOTY, here i come!
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Post by brendanrouth on Mar 21, 2017 1:56:53 GMT
I am very entertained by my love triangle lol. Play the game before you draw your conclusions is what I'll tell you. Can we please not be vague? Please? I know you're most likely still supposed to keep silent, but can you not tease like this? Everyone here has been hurt a little due to all this stringing along and teasing, and I'd rather not see it happen again. He's probably referring to Gil and Reyes. Well, he'd have to be since they're the only damn M/M romances in the entire game.
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Post by brendanrouth on Mar 21, 2017 1:57:20 GMT
Not all embargoes are created equal Same with romances apparently! </3 Touche T'Soni!
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Post by BioFan on Mar 21, 2017 1:57:22 GMT
I am very entertained by my love triangle lol. That's cool, but I hope you understand if some other gay dudes (like me) feel really slighted right now. Get to know the characters first, then feel free to have slightedness if you still feel that way.
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Post by Suaimhneas on Mar 21, 2017 1:57:48 GMT
and just to add, i intend to buy and play mea, i still want to see andromeda go through the new story of sci-fi opera action/rpg (all to rare thing)and eventually see how gil and reyes turn out. the game is not ALL about romance, romance is just quite important part of the character you choose to give special attention to. in that light it only seems fair i pay one third of the asking price at launch of the game, you know, since i will get one third of the content anyway. oh yes, discounted GOTY, here i come! GOTY? The way people are talking about its not even the game of March.
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