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Post by Natashina on Feb 24, 2017 16:22:02 GMT
Working as Intended™ We're not meant to police every last little phrase. We expect a level of common sense, maturity and self problem solving which does include, knowing when to ignore obvious trolls and flamebait, whether that be ignoring in the general sense or through the use of the forum function. Reporting posts or PMing us works too. Trolls 98% of the time attack the marginalized... women, LGBT, people of color. Yet it's almost always straight white guys who give the sage advice to "ignore the trolls." Of course I do not know your personal identity and please don't feel compelled to have to out yourself in any way, it's just, well, every time I see that "ignore the trolls" or "don't feed the trolls" it's often said by people who are very rarely the so-called trolls' targets. The things trolls say -even if they're "joking" (yeah, real funny...)- are desperately painful for some people. For some people, they've been hearing these comments all their lives, and not in a joking manner ("being gay is a lifestyle choice" for example). They are not special snowflakes. They are people who have been bullied and badgered for most of their lives, and they're tired and they're hurting, damn it. It's just a line that really gets to me, sorry. I agree with CrutchCricket here. And I'm not male or straight.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 16:22:29 GMT
Working as Intended™ We're not meant to police every last little phrase. We expect a level of common sense, maturity and self problem solving which does include, knowing when to ignore obvious trolls and flamebait, whether that be ignoring in the general sense or through the use of the forum function. Reporting posts or PMing us works too. Trolls 98% of the time attack the marginalized... women, LGBT, people of color. Yet it's almost always straight white guys who give the sage advice to "ignore the trolls." Of course I do not know your personal identity and please don't feel compelled to have to out yourself in any way, it's just, well, every time I see that "ignore the trolls" or "don't feed the trolls" it's often said by people who are very rarely the so-called trolls' targets. The things trolls say -even if they're "joking" (yeah, real funny...)- are desperately painful for some people. For some people, they've been hearing these comments all their lives, and not in a joking manner ("being gay is a lifestyle choice" for example). They are not special snowflakes. They are people who have been bullied and badgered for most of their lives, and they're tired and they're hurting, damn it. It's just a line that really gets to me, sorry. Trolls attack who they feel are gullible. It's not directed towards a certain group. They say stuff to get reactions/attention. It's the internet. People can move away from their keyboard, get a drink, and cool off if things get heated for them.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 24, 2017 16:25:49 GMT
I'm absolutely fine with an NPC flirting with me first, as long as I can let them down gently if I'm not interested. That's about how I feel. Depends on my character, too. I liked being snarky Hawke and flirting the fuck out of bashful Fenris lol But then in DAO I desperately wanted Zev to flirt with me first, initiate things, even be a bit pushy, but my guy had to make all the moves... some of them a little too "horny" for my tastes. Zev does have that line for a male PC where, if you haven't flirted with him already and are just wandering around, you can click on him and ask him what he's staring at. And he gets awfully flirty there, huhu.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 24, 2017 16:34:48 GMT
Wait, did another someone leave the forums over this? Also, the backpedalling from certain people in this thread about implying there's "the homosexual lifestyle" reminds me of guys who say women should just be stay at home mothers but then realize it's sexist to say that so they start saying nonsense like "well, uh, men should be stay at home fathers too... everyone should just stay at home! I frankly never leave my home!" It's borne out of realizing they fucked up in their argument, and let's not treat it like it's not, whether it's out of just ignorance or genuine maliciousness. It's probably the former, but I didn't backread enough to get the full picture. Honestly, I'm almost tempted to get the OP to post a set of "rules" for straight people in this thread to avoid setting off the usual homophobic arguments. But I know that'll just be interpreted as "heterophobia" or something. Anyways, has there been any romance news since yesterday's info dumps? The embargo has lifted, so I'm curious to see if there's any more stuff today.
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Post by Panda on Feb 24, 2017 16:43:58 GMT
Trolls 98% of the time attack the marginalized... women, LGBT, people of color. Yet it's almost always straight white guys who give the sage advice to "ignore the trolls." Of course I do not know your personal identity and please don't feel compelled to have to out yourself in any way, it's just, well, every time I see that "ignore the trolls" or "don't feed the trolls" it's often said by people who are very rarely the so-called trolls' targets. The things trolls say -even if they're "joking" (yeah, real funny...)- are desperately painful for some people. For some people, they've been hearing these comments all their lives, and not in a joking manner ("being gay is a lifestyle choice" for example). They are not special snowflakes. They are people who have been bullied and badgered for most of their lives, and they're tired and they're hurting, damn it. It's just a line that really gets to me, sorry. Trolls attack who they feel are gullible. It's not directed towards a certain group. They say stuff to get reactions/attention. It's the internet. People can move away from their keyboard, get a drink, and cool off if things get heated for them. Well bullies usually look for someone different, someone standing out cause they are in minority and thus seen as easier target. But there aren't that many trolls around and I don't even think it's often about trolls, but people who are actually serious about their opinion. That's bigger problem. Mass Effect for some reason does invite really worst crowd at times, not forum side thankfully, but I have been mistaken to read some youtube comments of the trailers.. huh, I thought I had seen lot of bad stuff in internet, but that really reminded me worst of humanity. I can't imagine Bioware's games would invite such people. Anyways in the topic.. I think I'll just try to be positive about LIs. Nothing, but Cora is really confirmed yet and things might have changed since leaks. So hoping for gaylien for Norman. I played only m/f and f/m in the trilogy, didn't see appealing m/m and f/f romances so I'm really hoping ME:A would deliver.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 24, 2017 16:45:58 GMT
Trolls 98% of the time attack the marginalized... women, LGBT, people of color. Yet it's almost always straight white guys who give the sage advice to "ignore the trolls." Of course I do not know your personal identity and please don't feel compelled to have to out yourself in any way, it's just, well, every time I see that "ignore the trolls" or "don't feed the trolls" it's often said by people who are very rarely the so-called trolls' targets. The things trolls say -even if they're "joking" (yeah, real funny...)- are desperately painful for some people. For some people, they've been hearing these comments all their lives, and not in a joking manner ("being gay is a lifestyle choice" for example). They are not special snowflakes. They are people who have been bullied and badgered for most of their lives, and they're tired and they're hurting, damn it. It's just a line that really gets to me, sorry. I agree with CrutchCricket here. And I'm not male or straight. I know, Nat This wasn't exactly an agree with me or them type of thing though? It was a comment on trolling and advising people to not feed the trolls. Even if you come to the conclusion that ignoring trolls truly is the best advice to give people who are being attacked, surely you can acknowledge that my defense of marginalized people has some merit...? Just a little bit? I'm only asking for a little compassion here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 16:47:09 GMT
Trolls attack who they feel are gullible. It's not directed towards a certain group. They say stuff to get reactions/attention. It's the internet. People can move away from their keyboard, get a drink, and cool off if things get heated for them. Well bullies usually look for someone different, someone standing out cause they are in minority and thus seen as easier target. But there aren't that many trolls around and I don't even think it's often about trolls, but people who are actually serious about their opinion. That's bigger problem. Mass Effect for some reason does invite really worst crowd at times, not forum side thankfully, but I have been mistaken to read some youtube comments of the trailers.. huh, I thought I had seen lot of bad stuff in internet, but that really reminded me worst of humanity. I can't imagine Bioware's games would invite such people. Anyways in the topic.. I think I'll just try to be positive about LIs. Nothing, but Cora is really confirmed yet and things might have changed since leaks. So hoping for gaylien for Norman. I played only m/f and f/m in the trilogy, didn't see appealing m/m and f/f romances so I'm really hoping ME:A would deliver. Most youtube commenters aren't being serious. Irl most of them wouldn't likely say those things. They are horrible comments if you take them seriously, but people don't go there to have civil and logical discussion.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 24, 2017 16:47:20 GMT
Trolls 98% of the time attack the marginalized... women, LGBT, people of color. Yet it's almost always straight white guys who give the sage advice to "ignore the trolls." Of course I do not know your personal identity and please don't feel compelled to have to out yourself in any way, it's just, well, every time I see that "ignore the trolls" or "don't feed the trolls" it's often said by people who are very rarely the so-called trolls' targets. The things trolls say -even if they're "joking" (yeah, real funny...)- are desperately painful for some people. For some people, they've been hearing these comments all their lives, and not in a joking manner ("being gay is a lifestyle choice" for example). They are not special snowflakes. They are people who have been bullied and badgered for most of their lives, and they're tired and they're hurting, damn it. It's just a line that really gets to me, sorry. On the contrary, they attack those that are most likely to respond in a large, affected way, as another user has pointed out. Big emotional reactions is what they seek. And what's the easiest way to get them? Think of the most controversial thing you could say right now? If it's not racist, it's homophobic or sexist, and if it's none of those, it's some mix of them. It's almost nothing to do with the marginalization of any one group and everything to do with attention on the internet.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 24, 2017 16:51:03 GMT
Trolls 98% of the time attack the marginalized... women, LGBT, people of color. Yet it's almost always straight white guys who give the sage advice to "ignore the trolls." Of course I do not know your personal identity and please don't feel compelled to have to out yourself in any way, it's just, well, every time I see that "ignore the trolls" or "don't feed the trolls" it's often said by people who are very rarely the so-called trolls' targets. The things trolls say -even if they're "joking" (yeah, real funny...)- are desperately painful for some people. For some people, they've been hearing these comments all their lives, and not in a joking manner ("being gay is a lifestyle choice" for example). They are not special snowflakes. They are people who have been bullied and badgered for most of their lives, and they're tired and they're hurting, damn it. It's just a line that really gets to me, sorry. On the contrary, they attack those that are most likely to respond in a large, affected way, as another user has pointed out. Big emotional reactions is what they seek. And what's the easiest way to get them? Think of the most controversial thing you could say right now? If it's not racist, it's homophobic or sexist, and if it's none of those, it's some mix of them. It's almost nothing to do with the marginalization of any one group and everything to do with attention on the internet. Their (the trolls) intent is really irrelevant though. I'm talking about the victims of their trolling. I don't care a jot for the trolls or why they do what they do or what they're after. I care about the people they hurt. I wish we would all do what we can to make it so people don't have to deal with the same junk they have to deal with in real life (family members disowning them for being LGBT, getting discriminated against in the workplace, etc.) when they come online. Obviously I'm not the person running this particular community, but if i were, that would be one of my principle objects. I'll drop it if y'all are concerned about the OT
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 24, 2017 16:51:32 GMT
Well bullies usually look for someone different, someone standing out cause they are in minority and thus seen as easier target. But there aren't that many trolls around and I don't even think it's often about trolls, but people who are actually serious about their opinion. That's bigger problem. Mass Effect for some reason does invite really worst crowd at times, not forum side thankfully, but I have been mistaken to read some youtube comments of the trailers.. huh, I thought I had seen lot of bad stuff in internet, but that really reminded me worst of humanity. I can't imagine Bioware's games would invite such people. Anyways in the topic.. I think I'll just try to be positive about LIs. Nothing, but Cora is really confirmed yet and things might have changed since leaks. So hoping for gaylien for Norman. I played only m/f and f/m in the trilogy, didn't see appealing m/m and f/f romances so I'm really hoping ME:A would deliver. Most youtube commenters aren't being serious. Irl most of them wouldn't likely say those things. They are horrible comments if you take them seriously, but people don't go there to have civil and logical discussion. Most people I knew back in high school who used to do stuff like that on the internet turned into insufferable assholes when they grew up, unless they realized how shitty their actions back then were and tried to change. No, it wasn't limited to their online life. The thing is, people think it's suddenly not any kind of -ism if you slam the "Just Kidding!" sticker on it. However, trolling has also been used to further bigotry too, regardless of how serious they are, and all it does is create an environment uncomfortable for minorities being targeted by the trolling.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 24, 2017 16:53:06 GMT
I know, Nat This wasn't exactly an agree with me or them type of thing though? It was a comment on trolling and advising people to not feed the trolls. Even if you come to the conclusion that ignoring trolls truly is the best advice to give people who are being attacked, surely you can acknowledge that my defense of marginalized people has some merit...? Just a little bit? I'm only asking for a little compassion here. I'm not trying to be a jerk, promise. And no one is in trouble here and no one is being called out. In general, we can't prevent people from being rude to other posters. We do encourage folks to use the report system and our doors are open for a PM. Barring that, sometimes the best way to deal with other users is to utilize the ignore list. Feeding the troll flames never goes anywhere good. If someone steps across the line, let us know and we'll take care of it.
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Post by Panda on Feb 24, 2017 16:53:31 GMT
Well bullies usually look for someone different, someone standing out cause they are in minority and thus seen as easier target. But there aren't that many trolls around and I don't even think it's often about trolls, but people who are actually serious about their opinion. That's bigger problem. Mass Effect for some reason does invite really worst crowd at times, not forum side thankfully, but I have been mistaken to read some youtube comments of the trailers.. huh, I thought I had seen lot of bad stuff in internet, but that really reminded me worst of humanity. I can't imagine Bioware's games would invite such people. Anyways in the topic.. I think I'll just try to be positive about LIs. Nothing, but Cora is really confirmed yet and things might have changed since leaks. So hoping for gaylien for Norman. I played only m/f and f/m in the trilogy, didn't see appealing m/m and f/f romances so I'm really hoping ME:A would deliver. Most youtube commenters aren't being serious. Irl most of them wouldn't likely say those things. They are horrible comments if you take them seriously, but people don't go there to have civil and logical discussion. I don't see it that way. I think they are putting out their honest uncensored opinion, cause they have anonymous platform to do it : / It doesn't really differ from what you see in games, other game forums, here and old BSN at times, twitch and other gaming channels with chats. EDIT: Sorry for derailing the thread though.
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 24, 2017 16:57:08 GMT
block feature works better than you moderators coming 100 posts later. ... We expect a level of common sense, maturity and self problem solving... I've got two out of three, and I'm still here!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 16:58:33 GMT
Most youtube commenters aren't being serious. Irl most of them wouldn't likely say those things. They are horrible comments if you take them seriously, but people don't go there to have civil and logical discussion. I don't see it that way. I think they are putting out their honest uncensored opinion, cause they have anonymous platform to do it : / It doesn't really differ from what you see in games, other game forums, here and old BSN at times, twitch and other gaming channels with chats. EDIT: Sorry for derailing the thread though. It's a valid argument until you see comments about people saying they have a fetish for rubbing a turtle shell on themselves while having mayonnaise dumped on them... Youtube comments are majority not serious trust me
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 24, 2017 17:00:02 GMT
I tweeted a few people asking if all sexualities will get an alien to romance, but I doubt I'll be hearing any response to that. But if i do, I'll report back.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 24, 2017 17:01:26 GMT
So, how many romances do you think will be outside the "main" ones among the crew and squad? They sound like they could easily be one night stands, but I wonder if it's possible to keep going back to maintain a sort of relationship with them.
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 24, 2017 17:03:07 GMT
So, what's the consesus now for expected romances...?
Straight Males- Jaal, Laim Straight Females- Cora Bi Females- PeeBee, Vetra, Lexi Gay Males (possibly Bi)- Gil, Reyes Asexual- Kallo
That's my prediction, seems to be the average prediction of the boards.
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Post by ShakespeareInSpace on Feb 24, 2017 17:05:11 GMT
I'm hoping a compromise is possible if they divulged the orientation of the six squadmates whilst still retaining an element of anticipation with mysterious crew and NPC romances due to the ambiguity and emotional contention it's causing.
Hope it's not too presumptuous to jump in the thread. XD
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 17:06:58 GMT
Wait, did another someone leave the forums over this? Also, the backpedalling from certain people in this thread about implying there's "the homosexual lifestyle" reminds me of guys who say women should just be stay at home mothers but then realize it's sexist to say that so they start saying nonsense like "well, uh, men should be stay at home fathers too... everyone should just stay at home! I frankly never leave my home!" It's borne out of realizing they fucked up in their argument, and let's not treat it like it's not, whether it's out of just ignorance or genuine maliciousness. It's probably the former, but I didn't backread enough to get the full picture. Honestly, I'm almost tempted to get the OP to post a set of "rules" for straight people in this thread to avoid setting off the usual homophobic arguments. But I know that'll just be interpreted as "heterophobia" or something. Anyways, has there been any romance news since yesterday's info dumps? The embargo has lifted, so I'm curious to see if there's any more stuff today. Like seriously. I come back to terms like "homosexual lifestlye" being used lol. M/m seems to be the hot button issue lately, and that's to be expected when everyone has squadmate info but them and they have the NERVE to start asking questions. In related news, the info we got about Liam yesterday has given me hope he isn't straight. Bioware loves their straight guy romances to be calm and cool (Kaidan, jacob, solas, blackwall, cullen etc). Liam is apparently a bit of a hot head. He's cocky, can get worked up easily, and sometimes lets his emotions get the best of him. Doesn't sound like the guy bioware usually makes straight. There's a chance! From the looks of it Jaal is more likely to be straight than Liam.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 24, 2017 17:07:41 GMT
This is my best guess, based on both what I was told and my own opinions (italicized is my own guess, non-italicized is what I was told by the friend, bolded is what we see from one of the articles) :
Straight Men's Options: Cora, Vetra, Peebee, some kind of NPC Straight Women's Options: Liam, Jaal, Reyes Gay Women's Options: Peebee, Vetra, Suvi Gay Men's Options: Gil, Reyes
EDIT: whoops, forgot to add the bi women to the straight men's options
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 24, 2017 17:08:03 GMT
Their (the trolls) intent is really irrelevant though. I'm talking about the victims of their trolling. I don't care a jot for the trolls or why they do what they do or what they're after. I care about the people they hurt. I wish we would all do what we can to make it so people don't have to deal with the same junk they have to deal with in real life (family members disowning them for being LGBT, getting discriminated against in the workplace, etc.) when they come online. Obviously I'm not the person running this particular community, but if i were, that would be one of my principle objects. I'll drop it if y'all are concerned about the OT But they don't deal with this same junk. There are no family members to disown them here and no one has any power to discriminate against anyone else (and if they try it, you call us and we deal with it). A user is a user is a user, and since you're not forced to reveal anything about yourself, you can literally make it impossible to discriminate against you. Here you talk about fictional characters and any wishes and desires about them. In a way, real life has no bearing here unless you choose to bring it with you. But if you wish to treat this as escapeism, why would you?
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 24, 2017 17:11:10 GMT
Wait, did another someone leave the forums over this? Also, the backpedalling from certain people in this thread about implying there's "the homosexual lifestyle" reminds me of guys who say women should just be stay at home mothers but then realize it's sexist to say that so they start saying nonsense like "well, uh, men should be stay at home fathers too... everyone should just stay at home! I frankly never leave my home!" It's borne out of realizing they fucked up in their argument, and let's not treat it like it's not, whether it's out of just ignorance or genuine maliciousness. It's probably the former, but I didn't backread enough to get the full picture. Honestly, I'm almost tempted to get the OP to post a set of "rules" for straight people in this thread to avoid setting off the usual homophobic arguments. But I know that'll just be interpreted as "heterophobia" or something. Anyways, has there been any romance news since yesterday's info dumps? The embargo has lifted, so I'm curious to see if there's any more stuff today. Like seriously. I come back to terms like "homosexual lifestlye" being used lol. M/m seems to be the hot button issue lately, and that's to be expected when everyone has squadmate info but them and they have the NERVE to start asking questions. In related news, the info we got about Liam yesterday has given me hope he isn't straight. Bioware loves their straight guy romances to be calm and cool Kaidan, jacob, solas, blackwall, cullen etc). Liam is apparently a bit of a hot head. He's cocky, can get worked up easily, and sometimes lets his emotions get the best of him. Doesn't sound like the guy bioware usually makes straight. There's a chance! From the looks of it Jaal is more likely to be straight than Liam. Sorry to be contradictory, but one, Kaidan was Bi. Two, not entirely sure that's justified reasoning. I don't follow the logic; there's precedence, but that doesn't mean he'll be gay or bi based solely on how 'emotional' he can be. Granted, I'd love him to be bi. But still.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 24, 2017 17:12:39 GMT
Wait, did another someone leave the forums over this? Also, the backpedalling from certain people in this thread about implying there's "the homosexual lifestyle" reminds me of guys who say women should just be stay at home mothers but then realize it's sexist to say that so they start saying nonsense like "well, uh, men should be stay at home fathers too... everyone should just stay at home! I frankly never leave my home!" It's borne out of realizing they fucked up in their argument, and let's not treat it like it's not, whether it's out of just ignorance or genuine maliciousness. It's probably the former, but I didn't backread enough to get the full picture. Honestly, I'm almost tempted to get the OP to post a set of "rules" for straight people in this thread to avoid setting off the usual homophobic arguments. But I know that'll just be interpreted as "heterophobia" or something. Anyways, has there been any romance news since yesterday's info dumps? The embargo has lifted, so I'm curious to see if there's any more stuff today. Like seriously. I come back to terms like "homosexual lifestlye" being used lol. M/m seems to be the hot button issue lately, and that's to be expected when everyone has squadmate info but them and they have the NERVE to start asking questions. In related news, the info we got about Liam yesterday has given me hope he isn't straight. Bioware loves their straight guy romances to be calm and cool (Kaidan, jacob, solas, blackwall, cullen etc). Liam is apparently a bit of a hot head. He's cocky, can get worked up easily, and sometimes lets his emotions get the best of him. Doesn't sound like the guy bioware usually makes straight. There's a chance! From the looks of it Jaal is more likely to be straight than Liam. I can't be really happy about this, if Liam is bi, that'd mean gay men get 3 human LI's and what seems to be, zero aliens. While Liam is cool and handsome, I'd throw him under the bus for a male alien romance.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 24, 2017 17:12:43 GMT
Their (the trolls) intent is really irrelevant though. I'm talking about the victims of their trolling. I don't care a jot for the trolls or why they do what they do or what they're after. I care about the people they hurt. I wish we would all do what we can to make it so people don't have to deal with the same junk they have to deal with in real life (family members disowning them for being LGBT, getting discriminated against in the workplace, etc.) when they come online. Obviously I'm not the person running this particular community, but if i were, that would be one of my principle objects. I'll drop it if y'all are concerned about the OT But they don't deal with this same junk. There are no family members to disown them here and no one has any power to discriminate against anyone else (and if they try it, you call us and we deal with it). A user is a user is a user, and since you're not forced to reveal anything about yourself, you can literally make it impossible to discriminate against you. Here you talk about fictional characters and any wishes and desires about them. In a way, real life has no bearing here unless you choose to bring it with you. But if you wish to treat this as escapeism, why would you? Our frustration is stemming from the fact that a lot of people come in to argue with us, using arguments about real life gay people and terms that are used to demean LGBT people in real life. Saying things like our sexuality being a "lifestyle" is not allowing us to treat it like escapism. We want it to be total escapism, but we can't do that unless mods are on top of the trolls. Otherwise, we'll be in a cycle of discomfort and tension and rage. With all due respect, it feels, from my end, more like you're shifting the blame towards us for taking it personally.
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Post by Dirk on Feb 24, 2017 17:15:02 GMT
Wait, did another someone leave the forums over this? Also, the backpedalling from certain people in this thread about implying there's "the homosexual lifestyle" reminds me of guys who say women should just be stay at home mothers but then realize it's sexist to say that so they start saying nonsense like "well, uh, men should be stay at home fathers too... everyone should just stay at home! I frankly never leave my home!" It's borne out of realizing they fucked up in their argument, and let's not treat it like it's not, whether it's out of just ignorance or genuine maliciousness. It's probably the former, but I didn't backread enough to get the full picture. Honestly, I'm almost tempted to get the OP to post a set of "rules" for straight people in this thread to avoid setting off the usual homophobic arguments. But I know that'll just be interpreted as "heterophobia" or something. Anyways, has there been any romance news since yesterday's info dumps? The embargo has lifted, so I'm curious to see if there's any more stuff today. Like seriously. I come back to terms like "homosexual lifestlye" being used lol. M/m seems to be the hot button issue lately, and that's to be expected when everyone has squadmate info but them and they have the NERVE to start asking questions. In related news, the info we got about Liam yesterday has given me hope he isn't straight. Bioware loves their straight guy romances to be calm and cool (Kaidan, jacob, solas, blackwall, cullen etc). Liam is apparently a bit of a hot head. He's cocky, can get worked up easily, and sometimes lets his emotions get the best of him. Doesn't sound like the guy bioware usually makes straight. There's a chance! From the looks of it Jaal is more likely to be straight than Liam. At this point I will be happy if just one of them is not straight. Both Liam and Jaal sound good to me. It's a shame that we don't see many other male characters. I would love to see how Gil and Reyes look. Didn't daveliam leak somewhere that Gil is a red-headed? It's difficult to keep track of the news and leaks sometimes.
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