A Wild Off the Walls Theory (Adventures in Time and Space) (Possible Spoilers)

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A Wild Off the Walls Theory (Adventures in Time and Space) (Possible Spoilers) Feb 2, 2017 21:15:23 GMT dalinne, maximusarael020, and 6 more like this

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Post by colfoley on Feb 2, 2017 21:15:23 GMT

So this is something that occured to me a while ago but I wrote it off at the time as being insane. But recently, because of the Minius Video: THere is something shady about the Andromeda Initiative, got me thinking about it. As well as several of the 'plot holes' that people have mentioned about why the AI is going to the Andromeda Galaxy in the first place when there won't be any benefit to the races of the MWG for 600 years.

We know that one of the Andromeda Initiatives objectives is to create a 'bridge' between the Milky Way Galaxy and the Andromeda Galaxy. But, what if this were not only a bridge in space, but in time? Now it has been theorized, in other science fiction settings, that gravity manipulation could also lead to time manipulation. And we know there is something weeeiiiirrrd going on with the gravity in the Heleus Cluster, as well as some sort of weird black hole which seems to be at the center of the Cluster which has been predominantly featured in art, trailers, and in the gameplay. What if the AI realized that they could potentially do this so they, still trying to keep it hush hush, decided to go out and take advantage of this technology for the dominance of themselves, or just to get the resource rich area of the Heleus Cluster back to the Milky Way, and vice versa, right around the same time they left. More evidence? Mac Walters stated somewhere...I believe in the GI coverage...that they had an idea about how to bring races in the MWG ahead into future installments in Andromeda but who may not make an appearance in the upcoming game. I can't think of a better way to do it. IE the AI establishes its 'Time Bridge' arount 2186 and they bring people forward who may want to flee the Reapers, then the Crucible goes off which cuts the connection.

Now personally, I doubt this theory. BioWare does not really seem to like messing with time travel too much. But, it kind of fits the available evidence/ aims of the AI.

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A Wild Off the Walls Theory (Adventures in Time and Space) (Possible Spoilers) Feb 2, 2017 21:30:44 GMT colfoley likes this

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Post by helios969 on Feb 2, 2017 21:30:44 GMT

I like it but instead of returning to 2186 we arrive back just before the attack on Eden Prime...for an MET reboot.

I have also been thinking about the time dilation implications of the black hole but Bio hasn't exactly been great at dealing with such, so I'm not sure it'll have any ramifications beyond the game at hand.

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A Wild Off the Walls Theory (Adventures in Time and Space) (Possible Spoilers) Feb 2, 2017 21:35:43 GMT helios969, The Biotic Trebuchet, and 4 more like this

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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 21:35:43 GMT

Lol, that would be the ultimate retcon to the endings. Just have them go back in time and literally stop it from happening.

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A Wild Off the Walls Theory (Adventures in Time and Space) (Possible Spoilers) Feb 2, 2017 21:45:58 GMT

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Post by colfoley on Feb 2, 2017 21:45:58 GMT

Feb 2, 2017 21:35:43 GMT @snowwhite said:

Lol, that would be the ultimate retcon to the endings. Just have them go back in time and literally stop it from happening.

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That'd be interesting but still limited by the time frame and the politics of the situation. If you go back to a time during ME 3 then the endings likely can't be stopped because they would be the only way the MWG would stop the Reapers. You have to go back in time long enough to allow the species to rally the Galaxy and have enough evidence to convince them of the threat.

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A Wild Off the Walls Theory (Adventures in Time and Space) (Possible Spoilers) Feb 2, 2017 23:41:57 GMT helios969, The Biotic Trebuchet, and 2 more like this

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Post by dalinne on Feb 2, 2017 23:41:57 GMT

As any theory which involves TIME, I'm sold and I love it. :wub:

As any theory which involves TIME, I think in terms of narrative could be a complete DANGER for the next game's plot :wacko:

. Once you put "time" in scene, that easily can evolve into a sort of "deus ex machina".

However, regarding to the gravity well you mention (referred in the first cinematic trailer) it would be AWESOME if we can see the Andromeda's past through some gravity wells. (Like Flashbacks but lorewise where you can watch the beginning of Kett empire, first Angara, etc.)

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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 3, 2017 0:43:24 GMT

Basically Bioware saying "we fucked up....let us make it up to you"

Yep..I am good with that.

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A Wild Off the Walls Theory (Adventures in Time and Space) (Possible Spoilers) Feb 3, 2017 4:11:20 GMT

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Post by SwobyJ on Feb 3, 2017 4:11:20 GMT

I've already said there will be time stuff (old BSN).

DAI was the prep.

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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 3, 2017 5:47:23 GMT

I love it! Great theory and a great way to bring us back to the Milky Way for future installments! I doubt they would do it, but I kinda wish they would. It's very cool and unexpected.

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A Wild Off the Walls Theory (Adventures in Time and Space) (Possible Spoilers) Feb 3, 2017 6:24:54 GMT colfoley likes this

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Post by JayKay on Feb 3, 2017 6:24:54 GMT

Would it be the ultimate bullshit deus ex mechanica to do something like that? Probably.

Would I be perfectly fine with it? Probably.

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A Wild Off the Walls Theory (Adventures in Time and Space) (Possible Spoilers) Feb 3, 2017 7:23:49 GMT

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Post by Rivercurse on Feb 3, 2017 7:23:49 GMT

Well i'm a sucker for a temporal anomaly in my sci-fi, but dalinne is right. It's plot hole central if you're continuing the story onwards rather than leaving it all self contained within one game/episode/film.

That being said, good writers can make it work, and one of my favourite ever Mass Effect fan theories (posted somewhere between ME1 and ME2 if I recall) involved the origin of the reapers and time travel. I spent hours fleshing out that theory in my mind and ended up desperately hoping it was true. Alas, we got a different origin story..

Anyway, time definitely has a place in this IP somewhere, i'm just not sure here and now is best.

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A Wild Off the Walls Theory (Adventures in Time and Space) (Possible Spoilers) Feb 4, 2017 3:06:51 GMT colfoley likes this

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Post by SwobyJ on Feb 4, 2017 3:06:51 GMT

Feb 3, 2017 7:23:49 GMT Rivercurse said:

Well i'm a sucker for a temporal anomaly in my sci-fi, but dalinne is right. It's plot hole central if you're continuing the story onwards rather than leaving it all self contained within one game/episode/film.

That being said, good writers can make it work, and one of my favourite ever Mass Effect fan theories (posted somewhere between ME1 and ME2 if I recall) involved the origin of the reapers and time travel. I spent hours fleshing out that theory in my mind and ended up desperately hoping it was true. Alas, we got a different origin story..

Anyway, time definitely has a place in this IP somewhere, i'm just not sure here and now is best.

Agreed to the bolded, but also I'm not sure here and now ISN'T the best. Could be great. Could be terrible. IMO to my taste.

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A Wild Off the Walls Theory (Adventures in Time and Space) (Possible Spoilers) Feb 4, 2017 3:24:28 GMT bigbad, Nihilus, and 4 more like this

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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 4, 2017 3:24:28 GMT

Shepard at the button in ME3...
"It all comes down to this..."

*Ryder Appears*
"What the... where you come from?"
"Don't worry you have backup.
"Not even an armada will help us win this war."
"Would a combined Asari, Salarian, Turian, Human, Angarain, Krogan, Quarian, Khett and Remanent fleets each over a million million strong help then?"

*Shepard raises eyebrow?* "How in the?"
"Don't ask questions above your pay-grade."
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A Wild Off the Walls Theory (Adventures in Time and Space) (Possible Spoilers) Feb 4, 2017 3:26:12 GMT

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Post by colfoley on Feb 4, 2017 3:26:12 GMT

Feb 4, 2017 3:24:28 GMT Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger said:

Shepard at the button in ME3...
"It all comes down to this..."

*Ryder Appears*
"What the... where you come from?"
"Don't worry you have backup.
"Not even an armada will help us win this war."
"Would a combined Asari, Salarian, Turian, Human, Angarain, Krogan, Quarian, Khett and Remanent fleets each over a million million strong help then?"

*Shepard raises eyebrow?* "How in the?"
"Don't ask questions above your pay-grade."
"I am SPECTRE!"
"Spectre? Oh. Yes the one who is about to stick it to the puny Reapers. Stand back rookie and let the Pro get to work".

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Post by commandercryptarch on Feb 7, 2017 10:50:10 GMT

As much as I adore time travel (Doctor Who fan here!) I don't know if I need this in the ME franchise and I don't knownif it actually fits the universe. It is a huge Deus Ex Machina...:/
I am actually conflicted on this because I have thought about it myself in the past.
It would be sort of OK to use it but NOT as a continuous part of the lore.I wouldn't want it to be an integral part of the MEU because after that....anything is possible ,anything can happen and in the end nothing ever matters because nothing is final. I would only like it to be a one-time event. Like if they used it to screw the Reapers remove them from the timeline

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A Wild Off the Walls Theory (Adventures in Time and Space) (Possible Spoilers) Feb 7, 2017 11:38:01 GMT

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Post by ApocAlypsE on Feb 7, 2017 11:38:01 GMT

Time travel? Please don't go there...

So many paradoxes, so complicated to grasp, can cause not just plot holes, but a massive plot abyss. It's a storytelling black hole, and it is really hard to pull off well. To do it well you have to be somewhat whacky like Back to the Future or the C&C Red Alert games, not something I want to see in ME:A.

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A Wild Off the Walls Theory (Adventures in Time and Space) (Possible Spoilers) Feb 7, 2017 12:43:28 GMT

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Post by bigbad on Feb 7, 2017 12:43:28 GMT

Feb 4, 2017 3:24:28 GMT Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger said:

Shepard at the button in ME3...
"It all comes down to this..."

*Ryder Appears*
"What the... where you come from?"
"Don't worry you have backup.
"Not even an armada will help us win this war."
"Would a combined Asari, Salarian, Turian, Human, Angarain, Krogan, Quarian, Khett and Remanent fleets each over a million million strong help then?"

*Shepard raises eyebrow?* "How in the?"
"Don't ask questions above your pay-grade."
"I am SPECTRE!"
"Spectre? Oh. Yes the one who is about to stick it to the puny Reapers. Stand back rookie and let the Pro get to work".

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Feb 2, 2017 21:15:23 GMT colfoley said:

So this is something that occured to me a while ago but I wrote it off at the time as being insane. But recently, because of the Minius Video: THere is something shady about the Andromeda Initiative, got me thinking about it. As well as several of the 'plot holes' that people have mentioned about why the AI is going to the Andromeda Galaxy in the first place when there won't be any benefit to the races of the MWG for 600 years.

We know that one of the Andromeda Initiatives objectives is to create a 'bridge' between the Milky Way Galaxy and the Andromeda Galaxy. But, what if this were not only a bridge in space, but in time? Now it has been theorized, in other science fiction settings, that gravity manipulation could also lead to time manipulation. And we know there is something weeeiiiirrrd going on with the gravity in the Heleus Cluster, as well as some sort of weird black hole which seems to be at the center of the Cluster which has been predominantly featured in art, trailers, and in the gameplay. What if the AI realized that they could potentially do this so they, still trying to keep it hush hush, decided to go out and take advantage of this technology for the dominance of themselves, or just to get the resource rich area of the Heleus Cluster back to the Milky Way, and vice versa, right around the same time they left. More evidence? Mac Walters stated somewhere...I believe in the GI coverage...that they had an idea about how to bring races in the MWG ahead into future installments in Andromeda but who may not make an appearance in the upcoming game. I can't think of a better way to do it. IE the AI establishes its 'Time Bridge' arount 2186 and they bring people forward who may want to flee the Reapers, then the Crucible goes off which cuts the connection.

Now personally, I doubt this theory. BioWare does not really seem to like messing with time travel too much. But, it kind of fits the available evidence/ aims of the AI.

How about that huge black hole in the center of the Heleus Cluster? Bend time for our travelers? No one mentioned this in any gameplay or trailer videos, and it seems quite suspicious to me.

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Feb 4, 2017 3:24:28 GMT Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger said:

Shepard at the button in ME3...
"It all comes down to this..."

*Ryder Appears*
"What the... where you come from?"
"Don't worry you have backup.
"Not even an armada will help us win this war."
"Would a combined Asari, Salarian, Turian, Human, Angarain, Krogan, Quarian, Khett and Remanent fleets each over a million million strong help then?"

*Shepard raises eyebrow?* "How in the?"
"Don't ask questions above your pay-grade."
"I am SPECTRE!"
"Spectre? Oh. Yes the one who is about to stick it to the puny Reapers. Stand back rookie and let the Pro get to work".

And Shepard gets forgotten in time.

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A Wild Off the Walls Theory (Adventures in Time and Space) (Possible Spoilers) Feb 7, 2017 18:42:36 GMT

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Post by SwobyJ on Feb 7, 2017 18:42:36 GMT

Feb 7, 2017 11:21:47 GMT @wvstolzing said:

Feb 3, 2017 4:11:20 GMT SwobyJ said:

I've already said there will be time stuff (old BSN).

DAI was the prep.

Ignorant individual here: How was it in DAI?

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There is no time in the Fade/Beyond. Or rather, time is far more malleable and subjective.

So as all magic is reflective of thought and idea, this includes perception of time. Thedas itself being possibly created out of a more concrete idea of linear time.

With the Breach affecting the Veil so much as to weaken its integrity throughout southern Thedas (and beyond?), this has lead to successful experimental manipulation of time. However, in the narrative so far, we are not as privy to the (probably still developing) lore about it - we only know of who is trying it out and some of the effects.

The Inquisitor is thrown a year into the future and has to return to the present, in an optional main quest path.

There is also an optional side quest in a ruin filled with people stuck in time.

Other spells previously in the series may or may not more lightly deal with time, like Haste spells. But these would be very localized and not as easily considered a whole field of magic.

There is also an alternate way out for this time stuff. It is seemingly hinted as a possibility that the 'future' you went to might have been instead a sort of pocket dimension (or 'tick of the Fade') in the Beyond, somehow built to reflect the concept of a ruined future - real in all ways other than being actually real. It might depend on perception, but DAI itself decided to emphasize the position that it was actual time travel.

If Mass Effect does time travel, it might be considered traveling through time, but there might also be ways about it that keep a sort of central linearity, or allow us to decide how we see it.

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Feb 7, 2017 13:01:31 GMT @babylon5 said:

They really did ruin Mass Effect 3's ending if people are now looking to time travel to make it work (IT works btw)

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Post by revanshep78 on Feb 7, 2017 19:04:22 GMT

I like the theory. It's a way to branch back to the Milky way and possibly incorporate ending choices. It's also ridiculously complex to pull off and I'm not sure Bioware is up to that. For the first game lets at least explore Andromeda and see what's out there. Maybe something for ME:A2 or 3.

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