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Post by PillarBiter on Feb 6, 2017 14:21:08 GMT
ME3 taught us not to hype. DA:I trailers made me think BioWare was going back to roots. DA:I taught me not to hype :/ Then I played The Witcher 3 and can't go into modern BioWare games without being a little overbearing EXACTLY my sentiment. |
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Post by Mihura on Feb 6, 2017 14:31:28 GMT
Well at least people cant complain about Bioware PR tricking them into buying the game with misleading gameplay videos.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 14:37:18 GMT
The DAI hype let down many people when tons of things were changed or cut, and ME has a very sensitive past to many. I honestly don't give a damn about the ending myself, but I was prepared for it. Others weren't when it first came out. I found myself bored once Witcher 3 was done. It's not replayable for me, so I jumped into TES. I have to say I am very hyped for ME but TES is pretty much my dream RPG games. This of course does not stop my excitement, but by being careful what they say and show, it keeps things from being overblown like DAI.
I just want to play the game and get lost in its world and fall in love all over again.
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Post by zarrokhai on Feb 6, 2017 14:51:33 GMT
Well, Inquisition marketing style sort of backfired on Bioware when the game released (Crestwood, anyone?). Also the reveal of all the companions, including who you could and could not romance, who the bad guy was, and Hawke's return sort of left very little for the players to discover on their own when they did play the game. Basically, Inquisition's marketing spoiled a little too much for the overall game experience. My guess is that Bioware wants players to discover all these ingame rather than spoil it early on. Another fact to consider is that things have changed a great deal since No Man's Sky. Gamers are much more cautious, critical and wary of new games being released. Add to that, some fans are still sore over ME3's ending (sigh) and a very vocal group believes Bioware is apparently being run by SJW's (again, sigh), it's not really surprising that ME:A isn't as hyped up as previous Bioware games. Not "run by SJWs" but influenced by them? Yeah, you bet (they never outright defend Manveer Heir (and that GTA Virtual Rape Girl/Woman), but they don't tell them to shut the fuck up either!) Also yeah, ME3 (the whole game - at least for me - not just the ending(s)...it was linear (RPGs should not be linear!), it didn't have choices, it treated choices made in the old games like they were worthless (remember the Rachnii? They should be DEAD/NOT EXIST ANYMORE if you killed the Queen...not that I did, but some people did), it didn't offer you different starting points (a full on Renegade Sheppard would never go to prison - no time, there's a war to prepare for! Hell, even my Shepards (Paragades!) would have probably stayed away from Alliance space (with my SPECTRE-Status reinstated the Alliance doesn't even have the jurisdiction to prosecute me, unless the whole council agrees to press charges!) and especially from Earth!), you couldn't even join Cerberus (extreme option, but why not?), it turned TIM (a level headed but a bit cold man) into a total idiot (ME2 TIM would probably shoot ME3 TIM because he threatens humanity's survival for an idea that might not even work!) etc. etc....over all this game was NOT good (it had decent gameplay, but the story was bad!) So stop sighing just because not everybody agrees with you (I am not attacking you because you liked ME3 - I would love to be you in fact! I ENVY YOU!) Operating with the "discover it yourself" theme doesn't work well if players have been burned in the past (ME3, DA2 and Inquisition (damned SP-MMO!))...they'll hold off on buying (and if youtubers etc. don't tell them it's good they will wait till it's on sale!) So showing stuff and not lying to us (marketing lied about the ME3 endings and player choices - no two ways about it, they outright LIED (ok: They might not have known that some stuff hadn't made it into the final game, but with these two statements they lied to us!)) would be a great way to start making us like them more again! Bioware once was my number one game developer (!) - it's still pretty high up (number 3), but Obsidian and CDProject-RED have it beat (Fallout: New Vegas and Witcher 3 are better than Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition!) I want them to be that again (or at least to compete for the number 1 spot again with Obsidian!), they can do this and they should (it's not good for them either if they make mediocre games and are a pale shadow of a once great game-developer!) greetings LAX First off, I'm sighing because it's become tiresome to hear the whole 'ME 3's ending sucked, I hate Bioware' and 'Manveer Heir is Racist! I hate Bioware'. Yes, ME 3's ending was disappointing, not arguing with you there, but it's been five fucking years. Get. Over. It. ME:A is meant to be a new game, a basic reset of the ME series. Maybe people should give it a chance. Bioware has already admitted to the mess they made before, and they are trying to move past it and make better games. So, why won't you let them? As for the Manveer Heir thing, yes he has made some pretty offensive statements over the years. But simply judging a whole company based on one man's views is ridiculous. As far as I've seen, Bioware are all about being inclusive and diverse. I don't see anywhere that they share his views on white people. And they don't tell him to shut the fuck up because he is doing it on his own personal account, not their company's. He's got every right to do it there, as offensive as it is. Second, they do plan on showing stuff. They have shown stuff, just not as much as we want them too. Maybe they don't want to show something only for it to be cut later in development. So they are being cautious - as you said the players have been burned before, maybe Bioware doesn't want to repeat that mistake either. And lastly, Bioware as a company. You may not like them as a developer but that doesn't mean everyone shares your views. There are still many people (people on this forum in fact) who like the direction Bioware is heading in. I count myself among them. Why? Because it's nice that Bioware considers other genders, sexualities, and races to be equally important. Also, you had to mention CDProjekt-RED lol. They made one very good game, yes. One. The previous two Witcher games were not that impressive, but yes Witcher 3 was well done. Still, touting them as one of your top companies after one good game seems a bit too soon, don't you think? After all Bioware has made tons of great games in the past, yet now you consider them to be a disappointment. Who's to say CD-Projekt-RED won't disappoint you in the same way? Also it comes down to preference doesn't it. You might think that Witcher 3 beats ME 3 and DA I but I tend to think of it the opposite way. |
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Post by Fredward on Feb 6, 2017 14:53:00 GMT
Checking Youtube it's gotten more views than its predecessors but less than DAI which's most viewed video is ten million. I keep hearing they wanna do a Fallout 4 media/hype blitz ~checks watch~ I guess they still have time?
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Post by Elsariel on Feb 6, 2017 14:57:54 GMT
I'm fairly excited for this game. Not as much as I was for DA:I but that's because I had played Origins and DA2 and the only ME game I've played was ME3. When I have free time, I'm looking up ME lore and summary videos online to catch up on all the stuff I missed. I know own that MEA is a new blank slate but I'm sure there will be references to the previous trilogy that I want to be able to understand.
The closer we get to game day, the more hyped I will be, I'm sure.
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Post by laxian on Feb 6, 2017 15:06:48 GMT
*snip* - self-quote not needed! First off, I'm sighing because it's become tiresome to hear the whole 'ME 3's ending sucked, I hate Bioware' and 'Manveer Heir is Racist! I hate Bioware'. Yes, ME 3's ending was disappointing, not arguing with you there, but it's been five fucking years. Get. Over. It. ME:A is meant to be a new game, a basic reset of the ME series. Maybe people should give it a chance. Bioware has already admitted to the mess they made before, and they are trying to move past it and make better games. So, why won't you let them? As for the Manveer Heir thing, yes he has made some pretty offensive statements over the years. But simply judging a whole company based on one man's views is ridiculous. As far as I've seen, Bioware are all about being inclusive and diverse. I don't see anywhere that they share his views on white people. And they don't tell him to shut the fuck up because he is doing it on his own personal account, not their company's. He's got every right to do it there, as offensive as it is. Second, they do plan on showing stuff. They have shown stuff, just not as much as we want them too. Maybe they don't want to show something only for it to be cut later in development. So they are being cautious - as you said the players have been burned before, maybe Bioware doesn't want to repeat that mistake either. And lastly, Bioware as a company. You may not like them as a developer but that doesn't mean everyone shares your views. There are still many people (people on this forum in fact) who like the direction Bioware is heading in. I count myself among them. Why? Because it's nice that Bioware considers other genders, sexualities, and races to be equally important. Also, you had to mention CDProjekt-RED lol. They made one very good game, yes. One. The previous two Witcher games were not that impressive, but yes Witcher 3 was well done. Still, touting them as one of your top companies after one good game seems a bit too soon, don't you think? After all Bioware has made tons of great games in the past, yet now you consider them to be a disappointment. Who's to say CD-Projekt-RED won't disappoint you in the same way? Also it comes down to preference doesn't it. You might think that Witcher 3 beats ME 3 and DA I but I tend to think of it the opposite way. It's tiresome for us to remind you guys (who seem uncritical to many of us (some might even say: Fanboyish! Like Bioware can do no wrong!)) that we've been burned (lied to etc.) and that the last times we hyped their games that that hype-train ended derailed (on a bridge no less) while the people at Bioware still told us how glorious the destination would be  (I just learned what the original writer had planed for the Reapers as motivation, damned that was deep - in his mind the almost all powerful Reapers feared the end of the universe (!) and looked to organic beings for a solution to stop the universe from collapsing in on itself again, after it would reach maximum expansion, and biotics played a role in that solution (something machines can't use!)) Maybe they don't want to repeat that misstake, I agree  On Manveer: He might not do it on a company account, but he outright says where he works (which damages Bioware and EA, so they should tell him to STICK IT!) on his own account! Well, TW1 and TW2 were good as well (!) - not as good as TW3, that's for certain, but they were good games for their time as well IMHO Sure CDProject-RED might disapoint me (I have high hopes for their new IP - Cyberpunk 2077 if I am right, but we don't know enough to judge!) greetings LAX |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 6, 2017 16:20:56 GMT
If I were to "get over it" I would simply stop playing BioWare games, because they haven't shown so far that they're past the mistakes that plagued ME3 (which IMO is more than the ending), and with DA:I, which I thought was a safe bet becuase it was Dragon Age a whole set of new issues arose which made me disappointed in it, but I'm always slightly excited about what new stuff they make, but that excitement comes with plentiful of pessimissim or at least skepticism, so excuse me if I'm not up in arms about how amazing their upcoming games look. I've been let down too many times and one of them seriously stung, they never properly addressed that one IMO, so I can't be eager about Andromeda not knowing when they'll repeat their mistakes or simply learn the wrong lessons from it.
Bear in mind again that they took the PR route out of the most brand-damaging ending I've ever seen. Not only that, they shunned the fans unless they talked about romance options and hid behind the numerous gaming press sites that excused them from any wrongdoing.
And I guess, who am I to say that they did wrong by making an ending they apparently believed in as authors (though I'm not sure how confident they seemed considering they always avoid talking about it) but since that's the case, I'm rightfully skeptical of anything they've made since. It's not something you just get over unless you let BioWare go or unless they prove they can move forward upping the ante on the bar for quality. Their last game wasn't exactly what I was looking for.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Feb 6, 2017 16:35:33 GMT
I think they have very sour memories of ME3 and how it was received. They got burnt badly. I think they realize that there was so much venom towards that game that to just release video after video in DAI fashion just invites the hate brigades to comment negatively on everything and that would adversely affect the game before it could be given a chance.
I strongly suspect they want this one to come out with a little less fanfare so it can be received properly and build on word of mouth and good reviews. I think they see this as a reboot/rebuild where even if they get less sales from less hype they, down the road, reap the benefits when they get to future games in the series.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 16:37:09 GMT
I'm fairly excited for this game. Not as much as I was for DA:I but that's because I had played Origins and DA2 and the only ME game I've played was ME3. When I have free time, I'm looking up ME lore and summary videos online to catch up on all the stuff I missed. I know own that MEA is a new blank slate but I'm sure there will be references to the previous trilogy that I want to be able to understand. The closer we get to game day, the more hyped I will be, I'm sure. Then you've missed the best of what the trilogy has to offer. Go play the other games right now!! |
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Post by missileglitcher on Feb 6, 2017 16:46:38 GMT
Not "run by SJWs" but influenced by them? Yeah, you bet (they never outright defend Manveer Heir (and that GTA Virtual Rape Girl/Woman), but they don't tell them to shut the fuck up either!) Also yeah, ME3 (the whole game - at least for me - not just the ending(s)...it was linear (RPGs should not be linear!), it didn't have choices, it treated choices made in the old games like they were worthless (remember the Rachnii? They should be DEAD/NOT EXIST ANYMORE if you killed the Queen...not that I did, but some people did), it didn't offer you different starting points (a full on Renegade Sheppard would never go to prison - no time, there's a war to prepare for! Hell, even my Shepards (Paragades!) would have probably stayed away from Alliance space (with my SPECTRE-Status reinstated the Alliance doesn't even have the jurisdiction to prosecute me, unless the whole council agrees to press charges!) and especially from Earth!), you couldn't even join Cerberus (extreme option, but why not?), it turned TIM (a level headed but a bit cold man) into a total idiot (ME2 TIM would probably shoot ME3 TIM because he threatens humanity's survival for an idea that might not even work!) etc. etc....over all this game was NOT good (it had decent gameplay, but the story was bad!) So stop sighing just because not everybody agrees with you (I am not attacking you because you liked ME3 - I would love to be you in fact! I ENVY YOU!) Operating with the "discover it yourself" theme doesn't work well if players have been burned in the past (ME3, DA2 and Inquisition (damned SP-MMO!))...they'll hold off on buying (and if youtubers etc. don't tell them it's good they will wait till it's on sale!) So showing stuff and not lying to us (marketing lied about the ME3 endings and player choices - no two ways about it, they outright LIED (ok: They might not have known that some stuff hadn't made it into the final game, but with these two statements they lied to us!)) would be a great way to start making us like them more again! Bioware once was my number one game developer (!) - it's still pretty high up (number 3), but Obsidian and CDProject-RED have it beat (Fallout: New Vegas and Witcher 3 are better than Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition!) I want them to be that again (or at least to compete for the number 1 spot again with Obsidian!), they can do this and they should (it's not good for them either if they make mediocre games and are a pale shadow of a once great game-developer!) greetings LAX First off, I'm sighing because it's become tiresome to hear the whole 'ME 3's ending sucked, I hate Bioware' and 'Manveer Heir is Racist! I hate Bioware'. Yes, ME 3's ending was disappointing, not arguing with you there, but it's been five fucking years. Get. Over. It. ME:A is meant to be a new game, a basic reset of the ME series. Maybe people should give it a chance. Bioware has already admitted to the mess they made before, and they are trying to move past it and make better games. So, why won't you let them? As for the Manveer Heir thing, yes he has made some pretty offensive statements over the years. But simply judging a whole company based on one man's views is ridiculous. As far as I've seen, Bioware are all about being inclusive and diverse. I don't see anywhere that they share his views on white people. And they don't tell him to shut the fuck up because he is doing it on his own personal account, not their company's. He's got every right to do it there, as offensive as it is. Second, they do plan on showing stuff. They have shown stuff, just not as much as we want them too. Maybe they don't want to show something only for it to be cut later in development. So they are being cautious - as you said the players have been burned before, maybe Bioware doesn't want to repeat that mistake either. And lastly, Bioware as a company. You may not like them as a developer but that doesn't mean everyone shares your views. There are still many people (people on this forum in fact) who like the direction Bioware is heading in. I count myself among them. Why? Because it's nice that Bioware considers other genders, sexualities, and races to be equally important. Also, you had to mention CDProjekt-RED lol. They made one very good game, yes. One. The previous two Witcher games were not that impressive, but yes Witcher 3 was well done. Still, touting them as one of your top companies after one good game seems a bit too soon, don't you think? After all Bioware has made tons of great games in the past, yet now you consider them to be a disappointment. Who's to say CD-Projekt-RED won't disappoint you in the same way? Also it comes down to preference doesn't it. You might think that Witcher 3 beats ME 3 and DA I but I tend to think of it the opposite way. it wasnt just the ending of mass effect 3 that sucked. every single thing about every single mass effect game and dlc sucks completely. everything about mass effect is completely bad. it's the worst game in history, with the worst story, worst dialogue and worst characters ever created. worst game of all time. it really is that bad, it's the worst game ever. its the worst game ever made |
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First off, I'm sighing because it's become tiresome to hear the whole 'ME 3's ending sucked, I hate Bioware' and 'Manveer Heir is Racist! I hate Bioware'. Yes, ME 3's ending was disappointing, not arguing with you there, but it's been five fucking years. Get. Over. It. ME:A is meant to be a new game, a basic reset of the ME series. Maybe people should give it a chance. Bioware has already admitted to the mess they made before, and they are trying to move past it and make better games. So, why won't you let them? As for the Manveer Heir thing, yes he has made some pretty offensive statements over the years. But simply judging a whole company based on one man's views is ridiculous. As far as I've seen, Bioware are all about being inclusive and diverse. I don't see anywhere that they share his views on white people. And they don't tell him to shut the fuck up because he is doing it on his own personal account, not their company's. He's got every right to do it there, as offensive as it is. Second, they do plan on showing stuff. They have shown stuff, just not as much as we want them too. Maybe they don't want to show something only for it to be cut later in development. So they are being cautious - as you said the players have been burned before, maybe Bioware doesn't want to repeat that mistake either. And lastly, Bioware as a company. You may not like them as a developer but that doesn't mean everyone shares your views. There are still many people (people on this forum in fact) who like the direction Bioware is heading in. I count myself among them. Why? Because it's nice that Bioware considers other genders, sexualities, and races to be equally important. Also, you had to mention CDProjekt-RED lol. They made one very good game, yes. One. The previous two Witcher games were not that impressive, but yes Witcher 3 was well done. Still, touting them as one of your top companies after one good game seems a bit too soon, don't you think? After all Bioware has made tons of great games in the past, yet now you consider them to be a disappointment. Who's to say CD-Projekt-RED won't disappoint you in the same way? Also it comes down to preference doesn't it. You might think that Witcher 3 beats ME 3 and DA I but I tend to think of it the opposite way. it wasnt just the ending of mass effect 3 that sucked. every single thing about every single mass effect game and dlc sucks completely. everything about mass effect is completely bad. it's the worst game in history, with the worst story, worst dialogue and worst characters ever created. worst game of all time. it really is that bad, it's the worst game ever. its the worst game ever made So you're here because...? |
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Post by missileglitcher on Feb 6, 2017 16:48:44 GMT
I'm fairly excited for this game. Not as much as I was for DA:I but that's because I had played Origins and DA2 and the only ME game I've played was ME3. When I have free time, I'm looking up ME lore and summary videos online to catch up on all the stuff I missed. I know own that MEA is a new blank slate but I'm sure there will be references to the previous trilogy that I want to be able to understand. The closer we get to game day, the more hyped I will be, I'm sure. Then you've missed the best of what the trilogy has to offer. Go play the other games right now!! terrible suggestion. he shouldn't waste his time playing any of the mass effect games because they suck completely, they are the worst games ever with the worst story, worst dialogue and worst characters ever conceived. it really is that bad. stick with the multiplayer because that's the only thing about mass effect that doesn't suck |
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Post by missileglitcher on Feb 6, 2017 16:50:31 GMT
it wasnt just the ending of mass effect 3 that sucked. every single thing about every single mass effect game and dlc sucks completely. everything about mass effect is completely bad. it's the worst game in history, with the worst story, worst dialogue and worst characters ever created. worst game of all time. it really is that bad, it's the worst game ever. its the worst game ever made So you're here because...? same reason why everyone else is here. because im bored and im a loser with no friends and no life so i have to resort to internet forums to fulfil some kind of twisted need for socialisation. also to monitor some of the hype for multiplayer, cant wait!! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 16:51:24 GMT
So you're here because...? same reason why everyone else is here. because im bored and im a loser with no friends and no life so i have to resort to internet forums to fulfil some kind of twisted need for socialisation. also to monitor some of the hype for multiplayer, cant wait!! Ah so a bored kid trolling adults. Gotcha!  |
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 6, 2017 16:52:28 GMT
I'm fairly excited for this game. Not as much as I was for DA:I but that's because I had played Origins and DA2 and the only ME game I've played was ME3. When I have free time, I'm looking up ME lore and summary videos online to catch up on all the stuff I missed. I know own that MEA is a new blank slate but I'm sure there will be references to the previous trilogy that I want to be able to understand. The closer we get to game day, the more hyped I will be, I'm sure. Then you've missed the best of what the trilogy has to offer. Go play the other games right now!! Was thinking that myself It will be worth at the very least playing ME1 as I think that'l be the closest you'll get to how it's going to feel in MEA but ME2 is for me the finest part of the trilogy as a package although all 3 games are great really. Almost at the end of ME2 in my current run only got Jack's loyalty mission left of the loyalty missions and the IFF mission in the main quest line. I'm hoping I can finish ME2 and start ME3 by the end of today though. At least I think I'm close enough to the end of ME2 to accomplish that. |
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Post by missileglitcher on Feb 6, 2017 16:54:39 GMT
same reason why everyone else is here. because im bored and im a loser with no friends and no life so i have to resort to internet forums to fulfil some kind of twisted need for socialisation. also to monitor some of the hype for multiplayer, cant wait!! Ah so a bored kid trolling adults. Gotcha! bored adult speaking facts among kids, yes. |
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 6, 2017 16:55:32 GMT
it wasnt just the ending of mass effect 3 that sucked. every single thing about every single mass effect game and dlc sucks completely. everything about mass effect is completely bad. it's the worst game in history, with the worst story, worst dialogue and worst characters ever created. worst game of all time. it really is that bad, it's the worst game ever. its the worst game ever made So you're here because...? was wondering that myself. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 16:56:30 GMT
Ah so a bored kid trolling adults. Gotcha! bored adult speaking facts among kids, yes. I fear for today's generation  but nonetheless enjoy your stay here and keep making us laugh! |
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Post by missileglitcher on Feb 6, 2017 16:58:27 GMT
bored adult speaking facts among kids, yes. I fear for today's generation but nonetheless enjoy your stay here and keep making us laugh! they'll take care of themselves. im a really old guy but im sure they'll be fine. if they're able to enjoy the worst game ever and claim it to be the greatest, then they'll be fine. |
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Post by derrame on Feb 6, 2017 17:13:21 GMT
there are a lot less info and gameplay videos and rtailers abut MEa than DAI, there was a trailes for the characters, world, story, inquisitior, etc, for DAI
and only two months before release, only, 3, 4 trailers?
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 6, 2017 17:32:07 GMT
Honestly, my enthusiasm for ME has been dampened since ME3, in part because I take a dim view of the quality of the writing ever since the endings. Subtle writing does not see to be Bioware's strong suit.. I'm mostly hoping that MEA will be competently done, not blow me away.
I guess the fact that it has so few connections to previous games is also a factor that makes it harder to get hyped, compared to DAI. They aren't picking up any cliffhangers I'd been wondering about.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 6, 2017 17:34:23 GMT
Bear in mind again that they took the PR route out of the most brand-damaging ending I've ever seen. Not only that, they shunned the fans unless they talked about romance options and hid behind the numerous gaming press sites that excused them from any wrongdoing. QFT |
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Post by vonuber on Feb 6, 2017 17:37:19 GMT
What happened to using capital letters at the start of sentences? It's not a difficult thing to do!
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 6, 2017 17:39:44 GMT
What happened to using capital letters at the start of sentences? It's not a difficult thing to do! Maybe it's not fashionable amoung the youth of today? To the OP. My hype has been dampened due to all this talk about TIM and Cerberus being in ME:A. I don't think I could bare another game of more Cerberus crap. |
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(I just learned what the original writer had planed for the Reapers as motivation, damned that was deep - in his mind the almost all powerful Reapers feared the end of the universe (!) and looked to organic beings for a solution to stop the universe from collapsing in on itself again, after it would reach maximum expansion, and biotics played a role in that solution (something machines can't use!))
but nonetheless enjoy your stay here and keep making us laugh!
