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Post by Sonya on Jan 8, 2020 20:36:18 GMT
Ah, okay. Well, to answer your question then it just seems from interactions with her, both in person and through the letters, that she does better in the Circle than with the Grey Wardens. As a Warden, she suffers from the nightmares sand the Calling and it seems like she has a miserable life where it is only living from one day to the next. You can tell that she wishes she actually died during the Joining and is resentful towards you that you weren't affected like she was, only really communicating to Leandra. Meanwhile with the Circle, after being put through the Harrowing she actually seems to be for the most part enjoying it. She likes teaching the apprentices (and makes a good mark on them like with Ella) and is happy to be able to use magic without constantly worrying. She also says that the Templars are mostly polite to her and is surprised how many of them aren't the monsters she feared. Plus she gets to be visited by Leandra. Got it now. Want to give you credit for one of things: short posts. Not a bad thing as it is (not every person wants to read compositions). Only they are not always clear (the above one is an example). Anyway, thank you for clarification. |
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Post by Catilina on Jan 8, 2020 20:41:03 GMT
(Carver is easier to leave than to bring, for reasons... – I know it's also unpopular opinion) what are those reasons if it's not a secret? I don't know, but people think, it's easier to bring Carver to the Deep Road, because he's a warrior(?), and left Bethany at home for protection. Safer. I think about it differently.
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Post by Sonya on Jan 8, 2020 20:54:01 GMT
I think about it differently. sorry to bother, but how exactly? people think, it's easier to bring Carver to the Deep Road, because he's a warrior(?), and left Bethany at home for protection Tbh, it's the first time I hear such thing.... I've always read that people bring Carver to the DR because GW suits him better, GWs make him a man at least. And I also think it that way. Interesting to hear something different, if you don't mind? |
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Post by Catilina on Jan 8, 2020 21:44:54 GMT
I think about it differently. sorry to bother, but how exactly? people think, it's easier to bring Carver to the Deep Road, because he's a warrior(?), and left Bethany at home for protection Tbh, it's the first time I hear such thing.... I've always read that people bring Carver to the DR because GW suits him better, GWs make him a man at least. And I also think it that way. Interesting to hear something different, if you don't mind? Of course people bring Carver to the Deep Roads because he's better as a Grey Warden (and likes to avoid he become a Templar), understandable. I only speak about RP reason here. I experienced, that people bring easier Carver to the Deep Roads, and leave Bethany, because they're love to play as Hawke who overly protective for their little sister. Why I think about differently? I don't know. Why they think about differently? ... It just what I observed.
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Post by Sonya on Jan 8, 2020 22:04:46 GMT
Catilinayou wrote Carver is easier to leave than to bring, for reasons... – I know it's also unpopular opinion I asked about those unpopular reasons and got the answer people think, it's easier to bring Carver to the Deep Road, because he's a warrior(?), and left Bethany at home for protection. Safer. I think about it differently. Asked again sorry to bother, but how exactly? And got the answer Why I think about differently? I don't know. Why they think about differently? ... It just what I observed. To sum up, as I see it: I never got a strict answer for my question about your opinion Carver is easier to leave than to bring, for reasons... – I know it's also unpopular opinion You confuse me.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 8, 2020 22:15:42 GMT
Sorry, then I can't help. Maybe my English.
The point, people bring Carver easily to the Deep Roads, while they rather leave Bethany to home easily. For RP reason and because of the outcome (metaknowledge) as well. If you ask me why, I don't know.
To me, it easier to explain to leave Carver at home, and to bring Bethany to the Deep Road (as RP reason).
For the outcome I prefer Carver as a Grey Warden now (before I loved the Templar way, for drama, I still like it, as his wrong way, but not too much anymore – as a Grey Warden he's just great), and also I have good RP reason to it... and for the outcome (with metaknowledge) Bethany as Circle Mage, later as rebel mage.
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Post by Sonya on Jan 8, 2020 22:21:13 GMT
not the point here. The point, people bring Carver easily to the Deep Roads, while they rather leave Bethany to home easily. For RP reason and because of the outcome (metaknowledge) as well. To me, it easier to explain to leave Carver at home, and to bring Bethany to the Deep Road (as RP reason). For the outcome I prefer Carver as a Grey Warden now (before I loved the Templar way, for drama, I still like it, as his wrong way, but not too much anymore – as a Grey Warden he's just great), and also I have good RP reason to it... and for the outcome (with metaknowledge) Bethany as Circle Mage, later as rebel mage. half-compris, but at least compris. Merci. |
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Apr 15, 2020 19:52:45 GMT
that look on Bethany's face though 
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Post by Sifr on May 5, 2020 7:57:40 GMT
Of course people bring Carver to the Deep Roads because he's better as a Grey Warden (and likes to avoid he become a Templar), understandable. I only speak about RP reason here. I experienced, that people bring easier Carver to the Deep Roads, and leave Bethany, because they're love to play as Hawke who overly protective for their little sister. I suppose that Bethany's gentle nature and overall likability would make players naturally more inclined to want to be overprotective of her and leave her behind for her own safety. Whereas if I were to guess why people don't leave Carver behind, it might be because players would judge warriors to be better suited to the dangers of the Deep Roads than a mage, while story wise, Carver has more experience fighting Darkspawn than Bethany, as he fought in (and survived) the Battle of Ostagar.
Players might also have some (unfortunate) gender bias influencing them on a subconscious level, but RP-wise and storywise, Carver does seem like the better pick over Bethany, if both siblings were alive and you could only bring one into the Deep Roads.
The game doesn't say how much Hawke knows about the Darkspawn, but in-universe, another reason could be that they didn't want Bethany to go because they've heard the rumours about the Darkspawn taking female captives underground that are still alive. If playing Hawke as a woman, that'd obviously pose a risk to them too, but most players would likely think their Hawke would prefer to put themselves at risk, rather than their little sister?
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Post by phoray on May 5, 2020 13:04:34 GMT
o you think it makes sense for Bethany to be allowed into Circle and not killed right at the spot? They put her through the harrowing immediately. I think that was there attempt to kill her on the spot. I think if she'd joined in Act 3, the corruption of the Templars would have led to her immediate death |
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Post by phoray on May 5, 2020 13:11:04 GMT
Why I didnt bring Bethany to the Deep Roads on my first blind PT?
Varric and Hawke are locked in (I was playing Rogue). Anders is the better healing mage. And I needed a warrior on the team, not another squishy mage. So I grabbed Aveline and off we went. Bethany seemed relieved not to have to go, and LEandra had just begged me not to take her.
Nothing about protecting her, and everything about party limits and balance. And maybe making mom happy.
on my 2nd PT, I went mage and got Carver. Seeing Bethany attack the Ogre by herself made little sense with her character so it was a bit of cringe and a duh when she died. Carver met my requirements of being the warrior in my party of Mage/Mage/Rogue. He insisted on coming. So, he came and became a Grey Warden.
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Post by Sonya on May 18, 2020 11:26:39 GMT
Why I didnt bring Bethany to the Deep Roads on my first blind PT? Varric and Hawke are locked in (I was playing Rogue). Anders is the better healing mage. And I needed a warrior on the team, not another squishy mage. So I grabbed Aveline and off we went. Bethany seemed relieved not to have to go, and LEandra had just begged me not to take her. Nothing about protecting her, and everything about party limits and balance. And maybe making mom happy. on my 2nd PT, I went mage and got Carver. Seeing Bethany attack the Ogre by herself made little sense with her character so it was a bit of cringe and a duh when she died. Carver met my requirements of being the warrior in my party of Mage/Mage/Rogue. He insisted on coming. So, he came and became a Grey Warden Finally. Part of my exact thoughts about "not protecting" but just party balance. Practicality is the most important thing consideringt what is at stake (gold!). Taking care of family is atill there of course, but survival? That is what Hawke is dong there. |
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