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Post by missileglitcher on Feb 18, 2017 22:37:30 GMT
mass effect 1 and 2 were the worst games ever made, they're trash, and so is andromeda. you will love andromeda and it will probably become your favourite game.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 18, 2017 22:38:54 GMT
What are you even doing here?
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Feb 18, 2017 22:42:33 GMT
I sincerely hope I wont have to spam the BSN with this image when ME4 is released... .
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 18, 2017 22:45:57 GMT
I'm sending an email to some BioWare lead if I can this time if I have complaints about the final product if it's at least half-good.
I really don't think the mistakes made in DA:I would've been beyond saving if they had been more aware or cared more to fix them, same with Mass Effect 3 (although I think Casey's ego and sense of ownership was the real issue there)
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Post by misoandricegamer on Feb 18, 2017 22:46:32 GMT
I think MEA is gonna be awesome!
I loved all of the ME series minus the ending for 3.
Loved DAO, DA2 less so, but that's not to say I didn't enjoy it. DAI I liked less than DAO but more than DA2 lol.
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Post by derrame on Feb 18, 2017 22:59:14 GMT
your own expectations can disappoint you
i think this game will be great, the only thing that worries me is the exploration, i hope it's not boring, and the story, please no plot twist that has makes no sense
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 18, 2017 23:14:34 GMT
The only one who can make you disappointed is just yourself by setting unrealistic expectations on a product. Be wise and entertain the thought that you are not going to like everything in this game. It is good realism and keep your expectations in check. That argument is incredibly flawed in my opinion. Going with that thinking, having 0, or less than that, expectations about anything will make that thing good, simply because it was expected for it to be bad, or just "meh". Doesn't really work like that. Plus, not everyone who was disappointed by, say, ME3 (or even Inquisition) was a 10 years old with unbelieavably high expectations.
Hell, not to devolve this into a talk about BW's marketing, but in both ME3 and Inquisition they've show in TRAILERS entire mechanics that didn't even half-make it to the finished product. In a few words, they lied. And, honestly, that, expecting for what they showed and what they talked about to be in those games, was not high expectations He was just saying don't go in expecting it to be the second coming of Christ. All video games have flaws. Witcher 3 and fallout 4 are two of my favorite games recently yet they both have a fuck ton of flaws. The team is doing something completely different so it's also not going to satisfy everyone. Who let's a 10 year old play mass effect? Terrible reference Hence probably why they haven't showed much of the game this time around. The backlash from those two games has most likely led to the almost non existent marketing until recently.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 18, 2017 23:20:44 GMT
That argument is incredibly flawed in my opinion. Going with that thinking, having 0, or less than that, expectations about anything will make that thing good, simply because it was expected for it to be bad, or just "meh". Doesn't really work like that. Plus, not everyone who was disappointed by, say, ME3 (or even Inquisition) was a 10 years old with unbelieavably high expectations.
Hell, not to devolve this into a talk about BW's marketing, but in both ME3 and Inquisition they've show in TRAILERS entire mechanics that didn't even half-make it to the finished product. In a few words, they lied. And, honestly, that, expecting for what they showed and what they talked about to be in those games, was not high expectations He was just saying don't go in expecting it to be the second coming of Christ. All video games have flaws. Witcher 3 and fallout 4 are two of my favorite games recently yet they both have a fuck ton of flaws. The team is doing something completely different so it's also not going to satisfy everyone.
Who let's a 10 year old play mass effect? Terrible reference Hence probably why they haven't showed much of the game this time around. The backlash from those two games has most likely led to the almost non existent marketing until recently. Pretty much my feelings on DA I to the t. Great game with a bunch of niggling little flaws here and there for me. Actually its kind of funny. DA I-Great game despite a bunch of little annoyances and flaws and ticks and eccentricities. Witcher 3- Great game despite one or two Major flaws.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 18, 2017 23:22:18 GMT
I was a 10 year old with unbelievably high expectations for ME3. I thought after ME2 was good that the following game was obviously going to be just as good but then on top of that bring back elements of ME1 and show the fate of all ME1 characters AND ME2 characters and reveal a really great story behind the Reapers. It did most just not in that convincing or drawn out way I was building up in my head and it left me throwing hissy fits every time I spent time writing on BioWare websites for a good couple of years.
After that and DA:I and multiple playthroughs I've seen that there's still plenty of merit left in both games even if they're not quite up there where I wanted them to be, that I can expect something similar in ME:A and find it passable, and that's the most realistic expectation. If it exceeds that I'll be a happy fellow, but I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot with wishful thinking.
Not even Witcher 3 was as good as I wanted it to be (but it impressed me so much that it didn't matter that much). I guess that's key for Andromeda no matter how it ends up being: It has to impress me somehow. DA:I had In Your Heart Shall Burn which was a short-lived high-point. It had nothing else that soared that high until Trespasser but that was a DLC that came out way after I had lowered my expectations for the game.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Feb 18, 2017 23:23:59 GMT
I will never understand people who say they prefer DA2 over DAI.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 18, 2017 23:24:21 GMT
I expect most of the gameplay aspects people are worried about to be done well (side quests, exploration etc). My concern is whatever new mistakes Bioware will make. That's their biggest issue, for every part they fix (after feedback), they add new bizarre stuff or mess up something else that was working fine for no reason. Or they forget their own past work and how to do things. I have absolutely no clue why did the devs responsible for Baldur's Gate, KOTOR, Mass Effect 2 loyalty missions etc need a reminder that barebone fetch-quests suck and that side quests should be great. ????? I have no clue why Shep in ME3 was suddenly so autodialogued with multiple forced emotional outbursts when literally NO ONE asked for it after ME1 or ME2 and dialogue wheel worked fine as it was Great thing about side quests.....They're optional! If you don't like them, don't do them. But at least include them for people who like meaningless quests if it keeps the world from feeling empty. There needs to be a good balance that satisfies most people. Great story and combat/gameplay is a must, then have your meaningful side quests so the game doesn;t seem shallow, then meaningless fetch quests/bounties and what not to help fill in some gaps and diversify game play. Lastly have random encounters and enemy spawns so we always get to use our gear/abilities while never being bored while traversing (even on boring fetch quests). It's like damn it, I have to go pick flowers again. 15 minutes later....holy shit that fight was intense just to get these flowers.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 18, 2017 23:27:13 GMT
I will never understand people who say they prefer DA2 over DAI. I do for one. Ever since I played ME1 and ME2 I've been more of a story-guy than gameplay guy. I've been playing video games since I was 8. It's not particularly impressive to me being able to point and shoot with a gun just because it has really tight mechanics, and the same goes for being able to traverse vast spaces just because they look pretty. DA2 was worse than DA:O in my opinion but the amount of response and cause-effect it has with what kind of Hawke you create and which companions you take with you, who you talk to etc. is so reactive that the replay-value rockets through the roof. The final act of the story is a letdown for sure, but everything up until that point is really, really intriguing aside from a few headcanonable one-sided characters. I really disliked the limiations to armor management but aside from that I was fine with the small game world and reused caves as opposed to being able to go everywhere in DA:I but constantly having the feeling that none of it matters from a story-perspective. ^ I think the "If you don't like side-quests don't do them!!1" response to DA:I is ignorant IMO. You disregard the fact that the game practically draws you to do side-objectives at every turn and 70% of the content in the game is just side-content. If you are to look at ME1 or Witcher 3 a really good amount of what feels like side-content but actually isn't is main content such as the Port Hanshan thing or helping the Feros Colony or finishing the Keira or Red Baron questlines in Witcher 3 that are introduced and heavily used in the Main story in the first place. DA:I has a lot of litter that has absolutely no thematic or arc... arc-something value to the plot that you're forced to choose between just to get that "power" meter up from 5 to 40 before picking the next main quest and by then it's like "oh.. OH, yeah, that's right, something with Grey Wardens. (and you've spent 10 hours doing nothing related to this just to get "Power")" For ME:A though, sure, don't do side-quests all you like. It's not gating the main story but I'll be damned if there isn't the same amount of litter in the "main attraction" which is going to planets and exploring.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 18, 2017 23:32:25 GMT
I was a 10 year old with unbelievably high expectations for ME3. I thought after ME2 was good that the following game was obviously going to be just as good but then on top of that bring back elements of ME1 and show the fate of all ME1 characters AND ME2 characters and reveal a really great story behind the Reapers. It did most just not in that convincing or drawn out way I was building up in my head and it left me throwing hissy fits every time I spent time writing on BioWare websites for a good couple of years. After that and DA:I and multiple playthroughs I've seen that there's still plenty of merit left in both games even if they're not quite up there where I wanted them to be, that I can expect something similar in ME:A and find it passable, and that's the most realistic expectation. If it exceeds that I'll be a happy fellow, but I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot with wishful thinking. Not even Witcher 3 was as good as I wanted it to be (but it impressed me so much that it didn't matter that much). I guess that's key for Andromeda no matter how it ends up being: It has to impress me somehow. DA:I had In Your Heart Shall Burn which was a short-lived high-point. It had nothing else that soared that high until Trespasser but that was a DLC that came out way after I had lowered my expectations for the game. Must be nice. When I was 10, the closest thing I had to any space entertainment besides movies was going to Space Camp or visiting my Cousin who worked for NASA to see shuttle launches. Ocarina of Time time came out that year though!
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 18, 2017 23:33:08 GMT
I wasn't 10 years old when ME3 came out. I was 18. It was just a figure of speech in response to guy posting earlier.
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Post by 10k on Feb 18, 2017 23:42:55 GMT
I have yet to see anything that would impress me. I'll definitely wait for reviews. Everything I seen so far is just generic looking.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 0:09:37 GMT
I have yet to see anything that would impress me. I'll definitely wait for reviews. Everything I seen so far is just generic looking. Make sure it's a YouTube let's player you trust. Mainstream gaming media always gets bribed.
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Post by kino on Feb 19, 2017 0:18:47 GMT
I'm not too worried. I've enjoyed what I've seen from the trailers and game play videos. I suspect that there will be something that makes me shake my head, but that's true of every video game. Or movie. And books.
Shit's never perfect but that's too be expected.
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Post by hammerstorm on Feb 19, 2017 0:19:06 GMT
Loved ME1&2 and DA:O, really liked DA2, kinda liked kinda disliked Inquisition and hate to this day ME3 I'm not even gonna pretend that i won't buy this game inside a month of its release, but please, please for the love of Gosh, PLEASE ANDROMEDA DON'T DISAPPOINT ME My only comment to Bioware: Seriously, Bioware will make a game. People will love it, like it, dislike it, hate it and whatever more people can feel when they have too much emotional problems. But it will sell, and life will continue. I don't really see how this thread have any use? It's not like bioware are going "Shit, we have a guy here that don't want us to disappoint. Change everything and make it good instead!!"
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Post by lezio on Feb 19, 2017 1:05:36 GMT
That argument is incredibly flawed in my opinion. Going with that thinking, having 0, or less than that, expectations about anything will make that thing good, simply because it was expected for it to be bad, or just "meh". Doesn't really work like that. Plus, not everyone who was disappointed by, say, ME3 (or even Inquisition) was a 10 years old with unbelieavably high expectations.
Hell, not to devolve this into a talk about BW's marketing, but in both ME3 and Inquisition they've show in TRAILERS entire mechanics that didn't even half-make it to the finished product. In a few words, they lied. And, honestly, that, expecting for what they showed and what they talked about to be in those games, was not high expectations He was just saying don't go in expecting it to be the second coming of Christ. All video games have flaws. Witcher 3 and fallout 4 are two of my favorite games recently yet they both have a fuck ton of flaws. The team is doing something completely different so it's also not going to satisfy everyone. Who let's a 10 year old play mass effect? Terrible reference Hence probably why they haven't showed much of the game this time around. The backlash from those two games has most likely led to the almost non existent marketing until recently. It was a hyperbole. And i used a 10 years old as an example because i don't believe that all kids past that age are as naive, or as dumb, as most people seem to think And i know what he was saying, and i answered his argument by saying that i don't believe "expectations" can make or break a game for most people. Especially if those "expectations" are based on actual data (again, their marketing campaigns)
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 19, 2017 1:17:56 GMT
He was just saying don't go in expecting it to be the second coming of Christ. All video games have flaws. Witcher 3 and fallout 4 are two of my favorite games recently yet they both have a fuck ton of flaws. The team is doing something completely different so it's also not going to satisfy everyone. Who let's a 10 year old play mass effect? Terrible reference Hence probably why they haven't showed much of the game this time around. The backlash from those two games has most likely led to the almost non existent marketing until recently. It was a hyperbole. And i used a 10 years old as an example because i don't believe that all kidas past that age are as naive, or as dumb, as most people seem to think And i know what he was saying, and i answered his argument by saying that i don't believe "expectations" can make or break a game for most people. Especially if those "expectations" are based on actual data (again, their marketing campaigns) Yeah I realized I completely read most of that wrong. My bad.
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Post by Larry-3 on Feb 19, 2017 2:24:45 GMT
The title of this thread reminded me of a scene in Star Wars: Episode V...
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Post by SilJeff on Feb 19, 2017 4:20:22 GMT
I have yet to see anything that would impress me. I'll definitely wait for reviews. Everything I seen so far is just generic looking. Make sure it's a YouTube let's player you trust. Mainstream gaming media always gets bribed. Has that ever been proven or is that just what people who disagree with the major reviews say?
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 19, 2017 5:58:07 GMT
Great thing about side quests.....They're optional! If you don't like them, don't do them. But at least include them for people who like meaningless quests if it keeps the world from feeling empty. There needs to be a good balance that satisfies most people. Great story and combat/gameplay is a must, then have your meaningful side quests so the game doesn;t seem shallow, then meaningless fetch quests/bounties and what not to help fill in some gaps and diversify game play. Lastly have random encounters and enemy spawns so we always get to use our gear/abilities while never being bored while traversing (even on boring fetch quests). It's like damn it, I have to go pick flowers again. 15 minutes later....holy shit that fight was intense just to get these flowers. WHat kind of weak excuse of crappy sidequests? If they suck then the lenght and enjoyement of the game greatly reduces. Collectibles and crap are fine, I enjoy cleaning the maps of them too, but not if it's the only side content pretending to be more than it is.
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Post by laxian on Feb 19, 2017 8:32:09 GMT
That argument is incredibly flawed in my opinion. Going with that thinking, having 0, or less than that, expectations about anything will make that thing good, simply because it was expected for it to be bad, or just "meh". Doesn't really work like that. Plus, not everyone who was disappointed by, say, ME3 (or even Inquisition) was a 10 years old with unbelieavably high expectations.
Hell, not to devolve this into a talk about BW's marketing, but in both ME3 and Inquisition they've show in TRAILERS entire mechanics that didn't even half-make it to the finished product. In a few words, they lied. And, honestly, that, expecting for what they showed and what they talked about to be in those games, was not high expectations He was just saying don't go in expecting it to be the second coming of Christ. All video games have flaws. Witcher 3 and fallout 4 are two of my favorite games recently yet they both have a fuck ton of flaws. The team is doing something completely different so it's also not going to satisfy everyone. Who let's a 10 year old play mass effect? Terrible reference Hence probably why they haven't showed much of the game this time around. The backlash from those two games has most likely led to the almost non existent marketing until recently. Yay - trying to correct one misstake (marketing lies) by making another is incredibly smart? Well, "Fallout 4" doesn't only have "flaws", it's not what most people truly wanted: A Fallout-Game, it's a shooter in the Fallout-Universe, but not a true Fallout-Game The last true Fallout was Fallout: New Vegas (3 doesn't count IMHO, also it's better than 4 in all regards IMHO!) Why should we not have high expectations? It's not like Bioware is a new studio that hasn't made any great games that - for their time - kind of were "the second comming of christ" at their time (KOTOR, DA:O, ME1) and are still remembered and loved to this day! So I feel justified to expect something good, something great! Why? Because they have shown that they can do it and IMHO they really have to return to form (they haven't done so in the last few years, not since DA2 (which wasn't bad, but not as great as it could have been either with its asset-reuse etc.). ME3 was worse and DA:I, while a step in the right direction in certain areas, wasn't great either!)...IMHO they have to prove themselves to us, they've been letting us down for years now and many of us (including myself) have been given them a chance with every game they released and they've disappointed us, especially with their pettyness after the ME3-Ending (Extended Cut did NOTHING for me, it just made the crappy ending longer and more painful to watch!), which they defended (they couldn't admit that they'd fucked up royally, which is something truly great people can - they might not like to admit that they've done fucked it up, but they would admit it, despite doing so being fucking hard!)) greetings LAX
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 19, 2017 8:50:40 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Frankly, I like my PAUSE which is removed from this game. Seems more like a RTS gameplay.
yeah I'd prefer the pause to aim but I'm going to try and adapt and see what happens. But seeing as I'll be playing keyboard/mouse that might make it easier. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Sometimes, I just like to play in "relax mode" and way from the intensity if it all. One reason I play different types of games like Chess, Xcom, Bejeweled, Hearts of Iron, Cities Skylines, Divinity Original Sin, Elite Dangerous, Microsoft Flight Simulator, Master of Orion, Path of Exile, Skyrim, Gal Civ, No man's Sky....
ME:A turning into a RTS game is unexpected. I want my SP to remain SP.
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