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Feb 24, 2017 0:58:14 GMT luke said:

Feb 24, 2017 0:40:51 GMT The Twilight God said:

You thought Miranda, Ashley, Traynor or Femshep looked like supermodels?

Exaggerated for effect, but they're clearly very attractive, model-status women. The fact of the matter is 90% of women don't look like that, and 90% of men aren't as good looking as Shepard, or Kaiden, or Scott. So when a character comes along with realistic "flaws" and people slate her as ugly, it perpetuates unrealistic standards. Especially so when that character is the spitting image of a model.

What are you talking about? They were all typical looking women in that they cover a range of looks. I see women less, equal or more attractive at the grocery store.

Ashley looked like she was born a he (in ME3). She has a Brazilian shemale vibe. She was OK in ME1 and 2.

Miranda's face was messed up. She was a butterface imo.

Femshep was not very attractive imo. Nothing particularly wrong with he I guess. Just not my type.

I never cared for Samara's square jawed face.

Kelly Chambers was unattractive in ME3. I think she was cute in ME2

I don't really know what Kasumi looks like.

I don't care for tattoos, but Jack was alright. I think if she had a more traditional look she'd probably be hot.

Traynor, Tali's picture and Liara were pretty. I guess EDI was pretty for a woman with a metal face.

These are my opinions. Depending on who you ask you'd get different responses. Just like any woman you meet out in the world.

To be fair, most models are just average looking women. I've seen professional models I view as being downright ugly.

Feb 24, 2017 2:04:43 GMT luke said:

Feb 24, 2017 1:46:48 GMT The Twilight God said:

What are you talking about? They were all typical looking women in that they cover a range of looks. I see women less, equal or more attractive at the grocery store.

Ashley looked like she was born a he (in ME3). She has a Brazilian shemale vibe. She was OK in ME1 and 2.

Miranda's face was messed up. She was a butterface imo.

Femshep was not very attractive imo. Nothing particularly wrong with he I guess. Just not my type.

I never cared for Samara's square jawed face.

Kelly Chambers was unattractive in ME3. I think she was cute in ME2

I don't really know what Kasumi looks like.

I don't care for tattoos, but Jack was alright. I think if she had a more traditional look she'd probably be hot.

Traynor, Tali's picture and Liara were pretty. I guess EDI was pretty for a woman with a metal face.

These are my opinions. Depending on who you ask you'd get different responses. Just like any woman you meet out in the world.

Just because you see more attractive women at the grocery store doesn't mean they aren't more attractive than 90% of women. Having unrealistic standards isn't about having a character that is unrealistically good-looking, an unrealistic standard is set in place when the ugliest character in the galaxy is still an 8/10. It's about having a realistic representation of women wherein the galaxy's saviours aren't all models, because realistically that wouldn't be the case. If Sara looks like a normal, good-looking woman, and is still referred to as ugly, what does that say for the 90% of women who aren't as good-looking as her? At the very worst, Sara looks average, and because of that she's being slated as ugly. Because she isn't quite as good-looking as the models we're used to, she isn't good enough. That is setting the bar far too high.

I completely disagree with what you're saying about Ashley and Miranda. If you personally don't find them attractive then that's fair enough, but to describe them as having ugly traits like "a butterface", or "Brazilian shemale vibe" is ridiculous tbh.

That's your opinion. Not mine. There is nothing unrealistic about any of the women in ME. People talking on the internet is meaningless. There is always going to be the guy saying the girl is ugly. Even if he'd be the first to bed her in real life. Internet dorks are notorious for doing this. It has absolutely no merit whatsoever. You think nobody said Miranda was ugly if when they took the time to look at anything other than her body?

I think the least attractive woman is 2.5/10 on her best day. That being ME3 Kelly. 8/10? I consider 5/10 to be neutral level of attractiveness. The only characters I'd rate an 8 is Tali and Liara. And maybe Shiala (ME1 version). It's all a matter of opinion.

I think a lot of people find certain people more attractive on the basis of celebrity alone. Like the fact that Miranda, Ashley, etc. are "famous" video game characters you overrate them. I think Jennifer Lawrence is unattractive. But people act like she's hot. Benedict Cumberbatch doesn't strike me as particularly handsome, but the ladies love him. I think it's just the celebrity effect. But again... opinion.