Dunno if my timelines are off but didn't Gillian Grayson head off with a quarian ship into deep space in order to find the quarians a new homeworld in the novels? I wondered a while back if there was some way we could miraculously run into a ship full of quarians (and one autistic biotic goddess) either whilst en route to andromeda, or even in andromeda.
didn't Gillian come back and get killed, though? but yeah that whole exploration squad is how i'm figuring quarians would get to andromeda on their own.
Dunno if my timelines are off but didn't Gillian Grayson head off with a quarian ship into deep space in order to find the quarians a new homeworld in the novels? I wondered a while back if there was some way we could miraculously run into a ship full of quarians (and one autistic biotic goddess) either whilst en route to andromeda, or even in andromeda.
didn't Gillian come back and get killed, though? but yeah that whole exploration squad is how i'm figuring quarians would get to andromeda on their own.
Possibly. As I said, i'm not sure about my timelines because I remember Gillian leaving with them, but I think the last hiroshima of a book came out after that, and I read it but really don't remember what happened in that one.
Im pretty certain the Quarians don't have an ark but it's possible a small number of them came along with one of the other arks. If that IS the case, Id be interested in knowing how they're able to sustain a colony.
I'm 100% certain they're in the game at this point. Whenever anyone asks on Twitter we get vague answers instead of a straight-up "no" which is basically a "yes they're in the game". Think one quote from a dev was that we're "the last hope for the quarians" or something.
Someone even asked where the quarian MP characters were and if they were in SP yesterday and got the answer "we'll leave that mystery for you to discover "
Someone from bioware on twitter mentioned you have to look for them proberly a few exiled quarians joined the program and ryder is there last hope maybe there suits have been damaged and you have to get the resource to fix them.
Im pretty certain the Quarians don't have an ark but it's possible a small number of them came along with one of the other arks. If that IS the case, Id be interested in knowing how they're able to sustain a colony.
If there are any quarians in andromeda, and I sincerely hope there are, some of the other comments give me hope, they would rely heavily on the turians for support, having the same dextro dna and all, they'd be able to eat their food, use their meds (for the most part), other facilities, etc.
edit: actually thats another good reason to bring them along i guess... rather wasteful a planet just for turians where likely the other planets would have to be shared among asari/human/salarian/krogan.
Yes indeed there is a Reeger carbine in the weapon wheel on some vids so theres hope that the quarians can be around,
Since there are Cerberus and Blood Pack weapons in Andromeda, there might be Cerberus, Vorcha, and Batarians there too. With a little luck maybe we'll find a whole copy of the Milky Way hidden in Andromeda.
I'm sorry, but if the Krogan tagged along, so can the Quarians. The argument that one side has more reasons to join the other is pure - pure subjective made up points.
We will have to play the game (obviously), but I have good feeling they will be in there based on Aaryn's tweets.
Comments such as this for example killed off the quarian species and ensured their extinction in ME franchise. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Dear God and SalMasRac help me! I have to ask!
Okay, you said very clearly, right here, theorigcylonhybrid... that "Fans complaining about the ME3 ending accomplished that." and you support this when you said "comments such as this for example killed off the quarian species".
when questioned about this stance you asked, essentially, how quarians could have made it to andromeda based on current lore, i.e. no hints and no ark ship, but the problem is that we are not talking about ark ships and lore we are talking about how THE COMMUNITY of players, making COMMENTS on forums and threads accross the internet "killed off the quarians" as YOU said. it has Nothing to do with How the quarians get anywhere or why, and everything to do with what you said about the Fans being responsible for killing the quarians. The question I ask you: How did the Fans complaining about ME3 Ending Kill the QUARIANS and their chances in Andromeda?
edit: after watching SalMasRac talk with you and see you respond like he was talking to a brick wall, I don't really expect an answer... but dear god I tried to make this as perfectly clear and understandable for you as possible.
Based on all of theorigcylonhybrid's knowledge of who and what, will and won't be in ME:A, I just have one question for him. What's the hardest loyalty mission? You know so much more about what's going on in the game.
Point 1: So you are misrepresenting the facts and making outrageous claims that you cannon back up, for the sake of creating drama.
Point 2: When pressed numerous times to detail how dislike of the ME3 ending doomed the quarians, you failed to do so. This reinforces Point 1.
My work here is done.
Yes you are quite correct. The quarian civilisation does exist in the ME universe, its just that ME fans wil never see them again for reasons that I stated a few times now. Genius. I put to you to explain how then after the ME3 ending the quarian civilisation is supposed to be in andromeda. A question I noted you never answered. You just stated I failed to show how the ME3 endings doomed the quarians. The fact you never answered , IS the proof of my point.
How many times does it need to be said: ME:A launches BEFORE ME3 BEGAN! The Quarian species is safe and sound.
You're basing this on the krogan? I'll lay out a few points. The krogan who are going are from a specific minor krogan clan and they also have the modified genophage. So that means the children this specific small clan have will only represent about 0.1% of the krogan going. And so on, so the krogan going to andromeda, unless they find a cure will go extinct due to their warlike nature. So its not very likely the krogan are going to colonise a new world and become an independent nation, which is why they don't get an ark for colonisation.
I believe the arks do house a single species, each with their own pathfinder and the nexus then has a varied species crew. But the 200,000 or so people on the nexus won't be the ones establishing colonies. They will just go to them once established. As I also stated in a previous post, there my be a couple of quarians on the nexus butt the people are gone, their culture is gone and they are unimportant to the andromeda story, all thanks to the ME3 endings and fan complaints.
If there weren't so salty in their complaints and we did have a game in the milky way, then we might have seen some quarians escape their destruction at the hands of the geth or some quarians on their homeworld etc. But now thats not gonig to happen.
No, I'm basing it on Bioware already saying that not everyone going will be riding on their own individual arks.
And I said twice now that there may be some quarians present in andromeda, maybe working engineering or something aboard the nexus as part of the mixed crew, but the quarian civilisation is gone. The arks hold the cryochambers for the colonists. And the arks are the colony ships. They build one ark for 20,000 humans according the briefing. So, if there were say 20,000 quarians going, they would have their own ark for colonisation purposes. But they don't...
No, I'm basing it on Bioware already saying that not everyone going will be riding on their own individual arks.
And I said twice now that there may be some quarians present in andromeda, maybe working engineering or something aboard the nexus as part of the mixed crew, but the quarian civilisation is gone. The arks hold the cryochambers for the colonists. And the arks are the colony ships. They build one ark for 20,000 humans according the briefing. So, if there were say 20,000 quarians going, they would have their own ark for colonisation purposes. But they don't...
and youve been asked, many more times than twice, by multiple people, how the fans complaining about the ME3 endings accomplished this?
Comments such as this for example killed off the quarian species and ensured their extinction in ME franchise. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Dear God and SalMasRac help me! I have to ask!
Okay, you said very clearly, right here, theorigcylonhybrid... that "Fans complaining about the ME3 ending accomplished that." and you support this when you said "comments such as this for example killed off the quarian species".
when questioned about this stance you asked, essentially, how quarians could have made it to andromeda based on current lore, i.e. no hints and no ark ship, but the problem is that we are not talking about ark ships and lore we are talking about how THE COMMUNITY of players, making COMMENTS on forums and threads accross the internet "killed off the quarians" as YOU said. it has Nothing to do with How the quarians get anywhere or why, and everything to do with what you said about the Fans being responsible for killing the quarians. The question I ask you: How did the Fans complaining about ME3 Ending Kill the QUARIANS and their chances in Andromeda?
edit: after watching SalMasRac talk with you and see you respond like he was talking to a brick wall, I don't really expect an answer... but dear god I tried to make this as perfectly clear and understandable for you as possible.
If you want a non-lore answer, the developers were forced to remake the game in ANOTHER galaxy because of the negative comments of the ME3 endings. Due to comments from the fan base on the ME3 ending that is the main reason this next game is in andromeda. Am I right or wrong about that?
The way the game has been developed is a massive open world game but to make room for new races and lore in andromeda because we are in a new galaxy, the decision by bioware seems to be to not include all milky way races as a consequence and knock on effect. The means the exclusion of the quarian civilisation but perhaps not individual quarians.
If the fan base has not reacted so negatively to the ME3 endings, this chain of events would not have occured. This game would be set in the milky way galaxy and there would be no retcon. In the milky way galaxy there would have been a much greater likelihood of seeing some kind of quarian civilisation despite the choice between the geth and quarians in ME3.
Bottom lining it, the developers were forced due to fan feedback to make a new setting for the mass effect franchise, a setting that does not lend itself to having a massive quarian presence. Thats it. I mean bioware has limited time and spending resources and it already is a massive game. So much so that they excluded a salarian squadmate from your team. If they think an extra squadmate is too much, how about an entire new element to the gameplay lore by introducing quarian colonists.
Now it may be possible that there are quarian colonists and the reason we haven't seen them is because the marketing for this game has been a bit rubbish because they are holding back lots of information until the last few weeks until release. But 2 weeks from release and no quarian reveal is too late. 99% of people don't follow mass effect news as people in this forum and won't know about a quarian reveal now. I believe I heard by a developer that there are other civilisations in andromeda that haven't been revealed yet and probably won't be revealed until people start playing the game. But not revealing THESE civiisations is some kind of marketing ploy to not ruin the wonder and exploration of the game. However we already know a lot about quarians so this reasoning doesn't really apply to this case.
And I said twice now that there may be some quarians present in andromeda, maybe working engineering or something aboard the nexus as part of the mixed crew, but the quarian civilisation is gone. The arks hold the cryochambers for the colonists. And the arks are the colony ships. They build one ark for 20,000 humans according the briefing. So, if there were say 20,000 quarians going, they would have their own ark for colonisation purposes. But they don't...
and youve been asked, many more times than twice, by multiple people, how the fans complaining about the ME3 endings accomplished this?
Comments such as this for example killed off the quarian species and ensured their extinction in ME franchise. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Dear God and SalMasRac help me! I have to ask!
Okay, you said very clearly, right here, theorigcylonhybrid... that "Fans complaining about the ME3 ending accomplished that." and you support this when you said "comments such as this for example killed off the quarian species".
when questioned about this stance you asked, essentially, how quarians could have made it to andromeda based on current lore, i.e. no hints and no ark ship, but the problem is that we are not talking about ark ships and lore we are talking about how THE COMMUNITY of players, making COMMENTS on forums and threads accross the internet "killed off the quarians" as YOU said. it has Nothing to do with How the quarians get anywhere or why, and everything to do with what you said about the Fans being responsible for killing the quarians. The question I ask you: How did the Fans complaining about ME3 Ending Kill the QUARIANS and their chances in Andromeda?
edit: after watching SalMasRac talk with you and see you respond like he was talking to a brick wall, I don't really expect an answer... but dear god I tried to make this as perfectly clear and understandable for you as possible.
If you want a non-lore answer, the developers were forced to remake the game in ANOTHER galaxy because of the negative comments of the ME3 endings. Due to comments from the fan base on the ME3 ending that is the main reason this next game is in andromeda. Am I right or wrong about that?
The way the game has been developed is a massive open world game but to make room for new races and lore in andromeda because we are in a new galaxy, the decision by bioware seems to be to not include all milky way races as a consequence and knock on effect. The means the exclusion of the quarian civilisation but perhaps not individual quarians.
If the fan base has not reacted so negatively to the ME3 endings, this chain of events would not have occured. This game would be set in the milky way galaxy and there would be no retcon. In the milky way galaxy there would have been a much greater likelihood of seeing some kind of quarian civilisation despite the choice between the geth and quarians in ME3.
thanks for responding so reasonably, i wonder how you missed this was the answer that SalMasRac was looking for. these are points i can agree with: MEA is not in the milky way because of the ME3 endings, given, it seems that most species in the MW are Minor but I have heard mixed "Confirmed" reports that ALL the MW races WILL reappear just as VERY MINOR roles in MEA, and reports that most species have been outright dropped with the krogan and maybe another being the only minor species. so it COULD be that the quarians were dropped along with many other species, or it could be that there are a few of ALL the species and there are only a few quarians, but I do not see that anything the fans did, or even the lore of Andromeda, excludes having the quarians as a second minor race alongside the krogan. unlikely? in the sense that it is JUST AS LIKELY for it to be Elcor or Drell/Hanar? sure; krogan/quarian is just as likely as krogan/volus, and either of those would be more likely than batarians.
The devs hinted again in a tweet that they might be in MEA.
If they are only hinting 2 weeks before release it means they don't intend to reveal the quarians before the games release. And if they do something stupid like reveal a quarian next week or something, someone on the marketing team should be fired because 99% of players who are not fannatical about ME but who liked the quarians are not going to see that.
The devs hinted again in a tweet that they might be in MEA.
If they are only hinting 2 weeks before release it means they don't intend to reveal the quarians before the games release. And if they do something stupid like reveal a quarian next week or something, someone on the marketing team should be fired because 99% of players who are not fannatical about ME but who liked the quarians are not going to see that.
Yeah they said they want us to discover things for ourselves.
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Quarians are my second favorite race. My favorite one are the Geth.
That being said, I believe neither of them should be in Andromeda in order to respect Mass Effect's lore. A Quarian cannot simply leave their duty to the Migrant Fleet and embark on a human-led endeavor into the unknown. Each Quarian individual is like a property of the Migrant Fleet, they live, strive and die for it rather than for their individual pursuits. They always have to return to the Migrant Fleet. It would make no sense whatsoever for Quarians to be part of the Andromeda Initiative. The Geth are just the same, but even more strict. While Quarian individuals might have individual dreams and aspirations, the Geth don't. The Geth would simply not embark on a human initiative and separate themselves from other Geth units, that would make no sense whatsoever.
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Dunno if my timelines are off but didn't Gillian Grayson head off with a quarian ship into deep space in order to find the quarians a new homeworld in the novels? I wondered a while back if there was some way we could miraculously run into a ship full of quarians (and one autistic biotic goddess) either whilst en route to andromeda, or even in andromeda.
didn't Gillian come back and get killed, though? but yeah that whole exploration squad is how i'm figuring quarians would get to andromeda on their own.
ME:Deception, that book was so bad it does not count towards any lore. Anything that happened in it should be ignored.
Quarians are my second favorite race. My favorite one are the Geth.
That being said, I believe neither of them should be in Andromeda in order to respect Mass Effect's lore. A Quarian cannot simply leave their duty to the Migrant Fleet and embark on a human-led endeavor into the unknown. Each Quarian individual is like a property of the Migrant Fleet, they live, strive and die for it rather than for their individual pursuits. They always have to return to the Migrant Fleet. It would make no sense whatsoever for Quarians to be part of the Andromeda Initiative. The Geth are just the same, but even more strict. While Quarian individuals might have individual dreams and aspirations, the Geth don't. The Geth would simply not embark on a human initiative and separate themselves from other Geth units, that would make no sense whatsoever.
Both reasonable arguments. Also, neither would be likely to receive an invitation. The Geth, at the time of departure, are still largely considered responsible for the Sovereign... situation. And the Quarians don't have the best reputation either. Aside from the whole "they made the Geth" thing, the arrival of the migrant fleet in a system is pretty much the galactic equivalent of a gypsy camp on your lawn.
The Quarians will probably still be involved, or at least have the option to be at a later date. The Talimancers have too much influence on BioWare for them to be ditched forever, logic be damned.
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Quarians are my second favorite race. My favorite one are the Geth.
That being said, I believe neither of them should be in Andromeda in order to respect Mass Effect's lore. A Quarian cannot simply leave their duty to the Migrant Fleet and embark on a human-led endeavor into the unknown. Each Quarian individual is like a property of the Migrant Fleet, they live, strive and die for it rather than for their individual pursuits. They always have to return to the Migrant Fleet. It would make no sense whatsoever for Quarians to be part of the Andromeda Initiative. The Geth are just the same, but even more strict. While Quarian individuals might have individual dreams and aspirations, the Geth don't. The Geth would simply not embark on a human initiative and separate themselves from other Geth units, that would make no sense whatsoever.
They can. Ship captains can choose to leave the Quarian Fleet if they wish. This is even part of the plot from one of the books, ME Ascension. So there is no lore break in this case.