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Post by Toyish Batphone on Mar 4, 2017 10:58:08 GMT
Here are my thoughts on our squadmates.
1) Ryder Twins
Scott Ryder looks like a pretty boy Cullen with some form of disability with his unfocused eyes. Sara Ryder looks like the Flashpoint Joker with her always-on smile.
2) Alec Ryder
An aloof, high expectations, purely professional father figure with distinguished credentials. He has a nice voice, a handsome face and a demeanor that commands respect. In fact, his demeanor reminded of a mix of Minerva McGonagall and Severus Snape. Additionally, being voiced by Lex Luthor from Justice League Animated is a bonus.
3) Cora Harper
She has a nice body but the hair is off-putting. Symmetry is far more attractive than one-sidedness. Other than that, she appears to be professional and knows what she is doing. Hopefully, her skill set does not end up in her dying alot on higher difficulties - Biotic Charging followed by Nova on difficult enemies without player assistance can become a recipe for disaster.
4) Liam Costa
I like his accent and hairstyle the most. Apart from that, he appears to be a decent guy. I actually like Kaidan Alenko and as for Jacob Taylor, I like him just fine when I played as Male Shepard, so I will not have any problems with him. Like Drack and Cora, I hope he is not a hindrance on higher difficulties with his Havoc Strike.
5) Pelessaria B'Sayle
Sera 2.0 / Shrektari Pepe. Impulsive, immature, unable to think and unattractive - Which is saying something because by default, Asari are supposed to be pretty. So far from what we have seen of her, she wastes an essential useful item (an escape pod) and essentially commits mutiny (by abducting the commanding officer of a ship and her colleague) to get her way. I will most likely get really frustrated with her which will end up in me ignoring her or throwing her out of the airlock.
6) Nakmor Drack
He looks cool, he looks badass and he has personality - Not forced on edgy personality like Shrektari Pepe, but personality that one can appreciate without going crazy. He will most likely be a regular on the squad, provided he does not become a Krogan Synclord and become a sync-kill magnet on higher difficulties by charging head on into everything.
7) Vetra Nyx
She looks amazing, she has an appealing personality and her skillset actually makes her sensible and viable for high difficulties without much worry. A female Turian tank with a Power Armor who, from the look of things, is not going to blindly charge headfirst into a fight ? She will most likely be my favorite squadmate, and possibly my favorite love interest for Male Ryder.
8) Jaal
He looks like a pussycat. Other than that and the fact that he uses a sniper rifle as a default weapon and seems to be the leader of some form of resistance by the Angaran people, most likely against the Kett, I don't know much about him. If he has an appealing personality and is reliable in combat, I would romance him with Female Ryder. Hopefully, only his appearance is like a cat - I mean, cats have barbed penises so sexual intercourse would be be... Extremely Painful (insert Bane voice here).
9) SAM
He is interesting in that he is the gateway to understand the Ryder family. Other than that, I find the whole implant thing rather weird because of possible connectivity and even hacking attempts that could ruin the people on the Pathfinder team. I mean, if you are in deep underground in a Remnant Vault, how do you expect to be still in touch with SAM ? Is SAM connected to organics via gamma ray signals ? I hope not - Last thing we need is an Incredible Hulk.
10) Lexi T'Perro
She is beautiful, has a nice voice, a nice body and is an expert in her area of work. Moreover, she offers emotional support as well. For my Male Ryder, it will be a difficult choice between Vetra and Dr. Lexi - Sorry Cora, but if you had better hairstyle, I might be interested.
11) Kallo Jath
He is shaping up to be a fascinating character. A Salarian pilot just works - Salarians are smart, don't require much sleep and think very quickly. All of those are qualities highly prized in pilots. I predict that I would like him more than I like Jeff Moreau / Joker. I won't romance him though - Not into Salarians in that way.
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Post by Toyish Batphone on Mar 4, 2017 11:01:16 GMT
If I'd wanted to look at ordinary people, I'd go out on the street and look at ordinary people. Art and entertainment is about hyperbole, no matter whether the goal is inspiration or escapism. Which means that the bright will be brighter, the dark will be darker and all the women which are supposed to be at least somewhat attractive will be Victoria's Secret's topmodels (or whatever the author's paragon of female attractiveness is). I have to check, but IIRC, a friend of mine was telling me once how, after the ancient Greeks mastered the art of sculpting to the point where they could reproduce perfectly the human form, they returned to the slightly exaggerated sizes and proportions because they evoked stronger responses. Those character design decisions that "I feel are attack on my personal preferences" are attacking also a lot of other people's preferences. Go into any decent hair saloon and ask what hairdo should you avoid for an oblong face. They'll tell you, among other things, to avoid top-heavy hairstyles, which, coincidentally, is exactly the character design combo that Cora enjoys. Hence the hairdo bitching. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, to a certain extent. For example, the male preferences for long hair, clear skin and a certain waist-to-hip ratio have been shown to be cross-cultural. Within those boundaries, however, there are still lots of variations. And lastly (now, this is me trolling!), I looked up Josephine's romance on youtube (couldn't slog through a second playthrough just for it). Apart from her appearance and overall character, I was also attracted to the fact that she continued to call the Inquisitor "my Lord" even after the romance had begun. Especially, after. So there. That's nice, but that doesn't seem to be what Bioware's going for and I'm glad of it. Personally I want to feel like I'm inhabiting a real world with real people in it, even if it is a few centuries and several million lightyears away. I have got news for you - There are very attractive people in the real world. Just because you live in the Land of the Obese (or it is Continent Of the Obese) doesn't mean that normal people are average or mediocre looking.
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 4, 2017 15:15:08 GMT
That's nice, but that doesn't seem to be what Bioware's going for and I'm glad of it. Personally I want to feel like I'm inhabiting a real world with real people in it, even if it is a few centuries and several million lightyears away. I have got news for you - There are very attractive people in the real world. Just because you live in the Land of the Obese (or it is Continent Of the Obese) doesn't mean that normal people are average or mediocre looking. Who said anything about obesity? No matter where you live, the average person does not look like they stepped out of a magazine. Even the average attractive person doesn't look flawless. Because they're human. You know, with unique characteristics and flaws?
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 4, 2017 15:33:46 GMT
I have got news for you - There are very attractive people in the real world. Just because you live in the Land of the Obese (or it is Continent Of the Obese) doesn't mean that normal people are average or mediocre looking. Who said anything about obesity? No matter where you live, the average person does not look like they stepped out of a magazine. Even the average attractive person doesn't look flawless. Because they're human. You know, with unique characteristics and flaws? No. That's impossible. All humans look like this where I live: See? This is the average car mechanic where I come from. Nothing unrealistic about this in any way...
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Post by jjdxb on Mar 4, 2017 15:40:45 GMT
That's nice, but that doesn't seem to be what Bioware's going for and I'm glad of it. Personally I want to feel like I'm inhabiting a real world with real people in it, even if it is a few centuries and several million lightyears away. I have got news for you - There are very attractive people in the real world. Just because you live in the Land of the Obese (or it is Continent Of the Obese) doesn't mean that normal people are average or mediocre looking. How do normal people not look average... like, by default/definition? Unless normal and average acquired some new meanings recently that I'm not aware of?
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Post by Toyish Batphone on Mar 4, 2017 17:11:06 GMT
I have got news for you - There are very attractive people in the real world. Just because you live in the Land of the Obese (or it is Continent Of the Obese) doesn't mean that normal people are average or mediocre looking. Who said anything about obesity? No matter where you live, the average person does not look like they stepped out of a magazine. Even the average attractive person doesn't look flawless. Because they're human. You know, with unique characteristics and flaws? Why are you operating under the erroneous assumption that just because someone looks handsome or beautiful that it somehow implies that they are perfect and flawless ? I don't think Miranda for instance is flawless. She isn't. Good genetics are just that - Good genetics. Character is something else entirely. I find that the deliberate uglification of fictional characters by Bioware is something that they do because they know that many of their fans (whom are mediocre looking themselves, lets not kid ourselves on that) practice unhealthy amounts of self-insertion. If you as a developer dumb things down to a level that self-inserters find satisfying (in this case the thing is physical appearance), then you can get away with things like crappy storylines, plotholes, lore disconnects, dilution of classic RPG features, etc because the fans "identify" with the character on a "personal level", because of their apparent flaws.
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Post by armass81 on Mar 4, 2017 17:28:01 GMT
I think this whole thing about apperances is hilarious. At the time of ME2 and ME3, some people complained about Miranda, Ashley and EDI being too sexy. Now they complain people are not sexy enough. Bioware just cant win.
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 4, 2017 17:49:24 GMT
Who said anything about obesity? No matter where you live, the average person does not look like they stepped out of a magazine. Even the average attractive person doesn't look flawless. Because they're human. You know, with unique characteristics and flaws? Why are you operating under the erroneous assumption that just because someone looks handsome or beautiful that it somehow implies that they are perfect and flawless ? I don't think Miranda for instance is flawless. She isn't. Good genetics are just that - Good genetics. Character is something else entirely. I find that the deliberate uglification of fictional characters by Bioware is something that they do because they know that many of their fans (whom are mediocre looking themselves, lets not kid ourselves on that) practice unhealthy amounts of self-insertion. If you as a developer dumb things down to a level that self-inserters find satisfying (in this case the thing is physical appearance), then you can get away with things like crappy storylines, plotholes, lore disconnects, dilution of classic RPG features, etc because the fans "identify" with the character on a "personal level", because of their apparent flaws. How about no. I'm not talking about Miranda's character, I'm talking about her appearance. She was genetically engineered to be the perfect woman. In-universe, her creator was indeed aiming for flawlessness. The problem isn't that some characters look like that. It's assuming that every character needs to look like that or else they've been subject to "uglification". My point is that people can look conventionally attractive without looking airbrushed, case in point: Cora, Josephine, Ashley before ME3...
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Post by laxian on Mar 4, 2017 17:49:58 GMT
This'll be quite a bit long so bear with me. First, this is MY personal impressions of our squad-mates and what we've seen so far. I'd also like to point out that I am a female because I believe gender plays an important role in gaming today as well as how certain genders interpret the game. Now, intro aside lets dive into my personal impressions. Keep in mind I'm aware many people accuse Bioware of certain agendas and etc. I'll try to steer clear from that The Ryder's I can see from the footage we've been shown that Scott Ryder looks great. His likeness to his model is really spot on and it's impressive. He's a great look from what we're used to seeing in Commander Shepard. I think Scott will be many people's "go to" face. It holds up well in-game and has a "leading man" look.
I wish I could say the same for Sarah, I really do. Facial animations aside (Don't say "it's still early" because it still lacks and release is 3 weeks away) I find the model to the actress's likeness is really under-par. Compared to Scott there's no contest as to who looks better. Thankfully character customization exists and hopefully won't be too strict in terms of editing our character. If I were the model for Sarah I would have doubts about myself (she's stunning in real life.) I by no means find Sarah un-attractive or ugly (hate that word) but she's lacking in certain feminine features. Compared to Scott she looks "average."
Peebee Again, I find Peebee to be lacking in feminine features. Her low brows and deep socket eyes remind me of those aliens from that old movie "Mars Attacks." Compared to other Asari such as Liara and even Matriarch Benenzia she certainly is lacking. This normally wouldn't bother me. In fact any other game, you could have a character look like dirt and I'd appreciate it. However, this is Mass Effect and when romance in-game exists it changes MY views and makes me more critical. So, looking from a guy's perspective I would be dissapointed thus far. By what I've read/watched her character seems spunky with some caution. I understand that appearance and personality are hand in hand in gaming but as said before, she lacks feminine qualities that others and I expect from a gorgeous race such as the Asari.
Vetra Vetra has to be my favorite design. It's about time we had a female Turian join us. I'm excited to see what she brings to the crew. My inner fan-girl is hoping she's the Turian Garrus talks about when he says "she had flexibility." Not much to say on her appearence, she's a Turian and she looks great! Although, the "attractive" romance options take another blow.
Drack Everyone loves a Krogan (that's on their side.) Drack looks badass, he looks tough, and he looks deadly. He's got an "old school" Krogan feel to him with the bones on his armour and such. I doubt he'll be romanceable and if he is, well that's a thought provoking image. Given the amazing Krogan designs we've had in the past such as Wrex and Grunt he kind of takes a backseat to their superior model. That's not to say he doesn't look cool though. What more can you expect from such a race.
Liam Look, I get it. Not everyone cares about appearance. In fact, I don't much either. HOWEVER, it does help when the personality is great and they're easy on the eyes. Liam is by no means ugly or unattractive or even "meh." He's a handsome man, BUT given the past characters like Kaiden, Vega(I didn't romance him but still, and even Thane! Liam lacks and doesn't hold up well to them. As a straight female I was a bit dissapointed to find out that our human squadmate wasn't exactly my type. Again, he looks "average." I realize I sound shallow when I say this but I'm not. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Like I said though, when you've got a series like Mass Effect where your VIDEOGAME characters can be romaced then it changes. People that say things like "don't be shallow it's a game." are the worst, Yes it's a game but we've got standards after the previous trilogy.
Cora Guys, I'm sorry for you. Females and Males took a "L" with our squad. I just don't like Cora's model at all. The hair is something straight out of a soccermom haha. Everything about it seems like it was made by someone with an agenda. I've been gaming a while, I heard it all "girls dont game etc." recently though times are changing. We have beautiful women like Lara Croft who look amazing and carry their own franchise, Yennifer from the Witcher series is a more recent example. Cora gives me the Cassandra vibe from Inquisition. They're strong leading women, but they lack feminality. In fact Bioware lately acts like feminality is no-no. A strong women can be attractive as well. Miranda, Liara, ASHLEY ring a bell? All gorgeous women who held their own.
Final Thoughts This may be my first post but I've lurked enought to know that this post will get flak. I understand, this is my opinion and nothing I say or do could likely ever change yours. But with Inquisition and now Andromeda it's easy to see what Bioware is doing. Attractive romance options have taken a backseat in Bioware games lately. Cora, Liam and Peebee could have been so much more if they had been modeled and designed with old intentions. "Make a game with cute/handsome characters that are also badass." I could go on but I'll stop (I'm hungry) So with this said, please don't be a bigger girl than me and take too much offense. I love Mass Effect, I just expected better, especially after our original trilogy squadmates/partners.
- Luna
Over all your criticism is exactly what I like (sure: Sara Ryder could look better (sadly we can't customize the preset...WHY, OH WHY BIOWARE?)! I loved Cassy in Dragon Age: Inquisition - sure I thought she looked better in DA2 (!) but then again: She's a little older now! - I loved how she doesn't give a rat's ass about girly stuff and would rather hang out with the boys, do some training (or read some poetry (!)) instead of discussing makeup, guys, shopping, looks etc. - she'd probably rather set a dress on fire than wear it, I LOVE IT! (I love tomboys, they can be beautiful, too you don't need girly tools (makeup, dresses, extravagant hairdos, purses, high heels (hate those things and purses with a passion!) etc.) for that! Look at one example you quoted: Lara Croft! She's a damned tomboy if there ever was one and she's a hotty!) Sure Peebee could be prettier (but then again: Compared to early footage she's damned beautiful, she looked kind of ugly (and I like that word - why use another if it fits? I hate the dishonesty today, telling fat people that they are beautiful (they aren't! I am a little overweight, too and I hate it if people tell me tripe like that!)...don't shame them (or torment/bully them!), but don't lie to them either and butter them up!), same for Cora (I agree on the hairstyle, she just lacks tatoos (maybe she has a tramp stamp?) and heavy makeup and she could be a trailer park trashy queen kind of person (or a hooker!), if she were overweight it would fit even more! Then again: A character doesn't have to be beautiful to make me like them! I wouldn't call Ashley from ME1 beautiful (pretty, but not beautiful) and she's still an interesting character (I like to dislike her, she's my Virmire sacrifice! Partly because of the dislike and partly because I find biotics more usefull than general soldiers! They are a rare breed among non-Asari species and outside of the games (which sadly don't follow the lore in some cases!) can do everything a normal soldier can do and they additionally have their biotics! Then there's of course the fact that they did "Pimp my Ashley" in ME3...damned guys stop that shit! Don't re-design characters, races, art and building styles etc. after a game has been released! Stay faithful to the original (unless you show say some ancient elven people (or something like that!) in Dragon Age (or in another game!), they might have looked different after all!))) As for Vetra: I think she looks fine (little too tall - I have no problem with tall women, I love being able to kiss them without having to use a footstool or lifting them up or something - but with her it's the other way round: She would have to lift Ryder up (!) to kiss!), but I thought that Nyreen was prettier (and I am generally just into biotics (just like I am more into spellcasters in other games than any other archetype...prefer setting stuff on fire over filling it with arrows/bullets or slicing it with sword or bashing it with maces etc.), so Nyreen was more interesting than Vetra is for me!)) As for the Ryders: The male needs a shaving kit (his beard doesn't look roguish or something, it just looks like he's some half grown punk (if he had a moped and was stiring up trouble in bars and around girls he wouldn't look out of place IMHO! Wanna be tough guy playing/trying to figure out how to be a man but with boy "tools"!) with his first beard who forgot to shave IMHO!), otherwise he's fine (could have more striking eyes and a more interesting hair-color, but then beggars can't be choosers now, can they? ), shave him and he'd look serious and quite good IMHO! Female I agree with you completely (she ain't ugly, but compared to the model she's average and kind of goofy looking (the lips are too big especially!)...animations need fixing, too IMHO!) There, my response greetings LAX
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Post by Toyish Batphone on Mar 4, 2017 17:57:59 GMT
Why are you operating under the erroneous assumption that just because someone looks handsome or beautiful that it somehow implies that they are perfect and flawless ? I don't think Miranda for instance is flawless. She isn't. Good genetics are just that - Good genetics. Character is something else entirely. I find that the deliberate uglification of fictional characters by Bioware is something that they do because they know that many of their fans (whom are mediocre looking themselves, lets not kid ourselves on that) practice unhealthy amounts of self-insertion. If you as a developer dumb things down to a level that self-inserters find satisfying (in this case the thing is physical appearance), then you can get away with things like crappy storylines, plotholes, lore disconnects, dilution of classic RPG features, etc because the fans "identify" with the character on a "personal level", because of their apparent flaws. How about no. I'm not talking about Miranda's character, I'm talking about her appearance. She was genetically engineered to be the perfect woman. In-universe, her creator was indeed aiming for flawlessness. The problem isn't that some characters look like that. It's assuming that every character needs to look like that or else they've been subject to "uglification". My point is that people can look conventionally attractive without looking airbrushed, case in point: Cora, Josephine, Ashley before ME3... Ashley before ME3 is beautiful (her skin is nearly flawless with no imperfections and her facial features are the ideal) - The only real difference between ME3 Ashley and ME1 & ME2 Ashley is that ME3 Ashley lets her hair down. My criteria for fictional female attractiveness is nearly flawless skin, symmetrical facial features, no crooked or out of shape features and no heavy make up. Cora, Cassandra and Josephine all fail that. Cora because of her hair and facial features. Josephine because of her nose. Cassandra because of her facial scars and facial features. Ashley passes the attractiveness test from ME1 to ME3. Morrigan, Leliana and Merrill pass the test as well. The fact that you bring up Ashley demonstrates that you have this amorphous arbitrary notion of what constitutes as attractiveness - Or more accurately, no coherent idea of what is meant by being attractive.
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 4, 2017 18:03:40 GMT
I cited Ashley because she was "beautified" in ME3 - hair down, heavier makeup - not because I didn't find her attractive before. My criteria for fictional female attractiveness doesn't preclude unique characteristics like Josie's aquiline nose or Cassandra's scars or Cora's hair.
Hence, not everyone has to look perfect to be attractive.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 4, 2017 18:37:04 GMT
I cited Ashley because she was "beautified" in ME3 - hair down, heavier makeup - not because I didn't find her attractive before. My criteria for fictional female attractiveness doesn't preclude unique characteristics like Josie's aquiline nose or Cassandra's scars or Cora's hair. Hence, not everyone has to look perfect to be attractive. Don't forget, Ash also received boob implants in ME3! She must have been a part time porn star between ME2 and ME3. I'm still flabbergasted by what compelled BioWare to make these changes. ME1 and ME2: ME3:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 19:16:58 GMT
I cited Ashley because she was "beautified" in ME3 - hair down, heavier makeup - not because I didn't find her attractive before. My criteria for fictional female attractiveness doesn't preclude unique characteristics like Josie's aquiline nose or Cassandra's scars or Cora's hair. Hence, not everyone has to look perfect to be attractive. Don't forget, Ash also received boob implants in ME3! She must have been a part time porn star between ME2 and ME3. I'm still flabbergasted by what compelled BioWare to make these changes. ME1 and ME2: ME3: Yea and when you look at Cora's art concepts they kind of do something similar to Ashley's original design. Kinda weird:
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 4, 2017 19:21:07 GMT
Yea and when you look at Cora's art concepts they kind of do something similar to Ashley's original design. Kinda weird: Indeed. I noted that when the concept art for the MEA characters was first shown. Whoever was responsible for Cora's initial designs must have been a huge Ash fan. I'm glad they ultimately went a different direction and likely based Cora off of Miranda's earlier concept art designs:
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Post by shepherdcommander on Mar 5, 2017 0:39:08 GMT
oh i judged virtual characters based on their 'physical' (?) traits so now I am such a man-pig pervert, how shallow of me.
no, character design philosophy has everything to do with the appearance of your character. do you think anyone designing a serious fictional character for any piece of art, even a videogame, is not going to obsess over and over and over, over how their character looks? these are not mutually exclusive, they are fundamental to each other. art started out as little more than symbology, now there are plenty of built up concepts, where if you look at a character you might be able to make some serious guesses at who and what they are, look at Kasumi and you will see a master thief, these formulas can now be subverted, we can for instance make a shorthaired girl the girly-girl type or the princess may turn out to be a real tomboy. that changes literally nothing as far as what individual people want to see in specific media they are attached to. If you really think that people 'judging' virtual characters based on how they look is in anyway equivalent to judging real people, if you think that anyone so judging is therefore Shallow, all that says to me is that you think the world is a very black and white place. I think anyone who feels that way will learn a lesson, probably the hard way, that the world is filled with shades of grey and they can be both deep and bright at the same time. Or, in other words, that person is very shallow. I also do not think that these 'extreme end point' comments criticizing people for talking about character design are in anyway helpful to the comments on the other 'extreme end point' from people who believe "sjws ruining meh games". In my humble opinion, you are both equally as childish, downright ignorant, shallow, and worst of all, judgmental.
edit: dont get confused but: aparently 'this' (^^^) is seen as the 'black' to some, for frame of reference, toddlers and tiaras is 'black' to me, modelling in general is very 'grey' to me, done rightly, modelling can become 'white' to me. all of this seems much more reasonable than the 'extreme' "any judging of any, even slightly, humanoid character is shallow"... which in whole, to me, is a pretty 'dark grey' or 'black' viewpoint to have.
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Post by blackjimmy on Mar 5, 2017 2:35:08 GMT
I like what I've seen of all the squad so far. The one I'm least interest in is Jaal, and that's only because I haven't heard much about him other him being a hunk. Not sure who I'll romance though. PeeBee, Vetra, and Cora all look great. I just need to see their personalities now. Can't comprehend the hate Peebs and Cora are getting though. Seems kinda petty considering how little we know of anyone.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 5, 2017 21:51:39 GMT
I haven't been highly bothered by any of the characters, unlike the opinions I've seen around.
Visually, not my ideal (and I don't mean beauty ideal, but just particular preferences).
Peebee may be avoided more than Liara or Samara, but not because of her looks, but because I usually voice the 'spunky' ones. Saving grace may be her interest in alien tech. Maybe.
If we could have two more companions, it'd be a female salarian (cue intriguing story about why one would join) and a 'male' AI. But they seem to be trying to compensate by increasing Salarian presence (already our pilot and politician role are salarians) and giving us Male-But-Not-Really-Eh? SAM.
I have mixed thoughts about my sense that this is ME1 with a twist. On one hand, I'm all for that; ME1 is old and few will play it except to complete a Shepard Trilogy or see where the series started. On the other hand, I REALLY want something that both expands the recent (ME3; my crazy theories) and something that is utterly new. And this kinda distracts from that.
Do we REALLY need an asari, for example? Some would say yes, but I don't think so. Could have been something else. Give us more non-squad asari NPCs instead and expand their lore, but we don't need one in the squad this game.
Does so much of this have to feel like a rehash of the first game? No. I don't think it does. I don't hate it, but when I see Nu!X-character happen, like Nu!Wrex being Drack, I get a little annoyed that resources are being put towards this instead of moing the series more 'foward'.
But I'd be super delighted if as MEA goes on, there's all sorts of reveals that make these characters out to be more than a Nu!ME1 premise. Twists and turns and possibilities. Would love that.
For attractiveness, I'm a gay man, so I'll go by that: Liam - Cool actually. I don't mind at all. Drack - lol. Um whatever. Jaal - I'm not a fan of the cat concept. Haven't seen enough to judge. Scott Default - Something is off with the face.
General male models - Yeah I can see the 'Sims cartoony' comments have merit. Not a ton, it isn't an outright cartoon, but its more than the previous games. I was already a little bothered with ME2 taking a more 'comicy' approach to character art and MEA's also isn't my favorite.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Mar 5, 2017 22:32:23 GMT
Sorry, but there is no lesbian and straight haircuts. All women I have known IRL that are attracted to women have long hair and I love keeping mine short and love Cora's despite being straight. Sorry, but hairstyles don't have sexual orientation You haven't met a gay female with long hair. Leave the house sometime.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 6, 2017 15:53:14 GMT
Gonna have to agree to disagree because I don't think it's an overexaggeration at all. When people say "X character has some manly features" the complaints are usually focused on said character's jaw, nose, scars, age, clothing... even their attitude. These people act like they want these percieved flaws to be "fixed" rather than accepting that not every character in every franchise is going to look like genetically-engineered Miranda. What's manly about looking like any woman you'd see walking around town? (And I still say every single female LI counts as an unusually attractive woman walking around town.) Most of the complaints about femininity also stem from character design decisions that players seem to feel are an attack on their preferences. Cass and Cora having short hair, Cassandra's jawline, Josephine having an aquiline nose, her oufit not showing any skin, Sera being "pug-nosed"... there's very little that I would attribute to mocap. I just don't understand complaining about people that look like people. How many flaws, percieved or otherwise have you reported with zero intention of seeing them fixed? In any context? That's what's reporting flaws is about, most people don't do it for simple conversation. Are you judging them because you disagree with them? That's your perogative, but it should be acknowledged that that's the case. As for mocap and other limitations, the argument is (well, my argument at any rate) is that the flaws inherent in the process make what could or would be acceptable in RL not acceptable in the game. For example, Cora's hair does not suit her jawline one bit. An RL woman (her model perhaps) could probably make it work. But the shoddy mocap (and let's be honest BioWare always seems to screw up the female mocap- see Miranda) ruins any chance of that in the game.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 6, 2017 16:48:09 GMT
I'm not a very good in first impressions. For example, Fenris and Isabela annoyed me at first sight, but now Fenris is one of my favorite LI, and according to my opinion, both are great Character. I like the second chance in friendship and romance. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. I tried to give second chance to Vivienne for example, but I was unable to like better her, but as I said, I was capable to likes Isabela. So: Later I will speak about my impressions. About appearance? Neither Fenris nor Iron Bull isn't my type. But I enjoyed the romance (even with Bull, what was a surprise to me). Who totally my type was Anders, and Kaidan also was love at first sight. I find Steve handsome, but I couldn't romance him, because of Kaidan... So: I like the handsome characters, but if a less handsome characters have some attractive traits, what catch me, I can find it and give a chance to the romance.
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 6, 2017 16:50:12 GMT
Gonna have to agree to disagree because I don't think it's an overexaggeration at all. When people say "X character has some manly features" the complaints are usually focused on said character's jaw, nose, scars, age, clothing... even their attitude. These people act like they want these percieved flaws to be "fixed" rather than accepting that not every character in every franchise is going to look like genetically-engineered Miranda. What's manly about looking like any woman you'd see walking around town? (And I still say every single female LI counts as an unusually attractive woman walking around town.) Most of the complaints about femininity also stem from character design decisions that players seem to feel are an attack on their preferences. Cass and Cora having short hair, Cassandra's jawline, Josephine having an aquiline nose, her oufit not showing any skin, Sera being "pug-nosed"... there's very little that I would attribute to mocap. I just don't understand complaining about people that look like people. How many flaws, percieved or otherwise have you reported with zero intention of seeing them fixed? In any context? That's what's reporting flaws is about, most people don't do it for simple conversation. Are you judging them because you disagree with them? That's your perogative, but it should be acknowledged that that's the case. As for mocap and other limitations, the argument is (well, my argument at any rate) is that the flaws inherent in the process make what could or would be acceptable in RL not acceptable in the game. For example, Cora's hair does not suit her jawline one bit. An RL woman (her model perhaps) could probably make it work. But the shoddy mocap (and let's be honest BioWare always seems to screw up the female mocap- see Miranda) ruins any chance of that in the game. But Cassandra's scars and Cora's hair aren't flaws that need to be "reported" - they're deliberate design decisions. Intentional flaws, not the result of wonky animation. Like Bull's missing fingers, Garrus's scars, Cullen's hair. People are free to think they're ugly, I'm free to think those people are ridiculous, they're free to think I'm ridiculous... it's one big judging party.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 6, 2017 16:58:00 GMT
But Cassandra's scars and Cora's hair aren't flaws that need to be "reported" - they're deliberate design decisions. Intentional flaws, not the result of wonky animation. Like Bull's missing fingers, Garrus's scars, Cullen's hair. People are free to think they're ugly, I'm free to think those people are ridiculous, they're free to think I'm ridiculous... it's one big judging party.Intentional flaws + wonky animation= worse flaw to be fixed than the intention itself. Except it's not, really. People that think x character is unattractive are making a statement about a character. You're making a statement about them. See the imbalance?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 18:14:04 GMT
Don't ask for an NPC X hair, eyes, scars or jawline universal adjustments via patches.
Ask for the game to be either easily moddable or to include the squad member customization. This is the way to fix any and all Haircut Wars. It actually addresses the root cause, and fixes it, instead of pointless snipping over the whole tastes differ/paranoid BS.
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Post by grillcheesekeldon on Mar 9, 2017 15:22:48 GMT
Sorry, but there is no lesbian and straight haircuts. All women I have known IRL that are attracted to women have long hair and I love keeping mine short and love Cora's despite being straight. Sorry, but hairstyles don't have sexual orientation Hell yeah! I love you for saying this. I like women IRL (and am a woman), and I have long hair, wear earrings and skirts. I don't know why hairstyles are so often glued with sexual orientation. On the topic, it's really the engine issue and the push to realism graphics (as I mentioned in my previous post). Male romances are far from great either. I don't know how the OP (thread starter) can kid themselves about it. Fenris is the last time anyone even looked handsome at all.
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