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Post by jpcab on Mar 4, 2017 13:52:56 GMT
We can make all the excuses we want..but in fact.. There has to be an explanation. And i think we ll have it on game. If Mass Effect wants continuity has to deal with its own history. Can t avoid it, can t ignore it. The reapers have to be explained also on Andromeda..sooner or later.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 4, 2017 14:02:36 GMT
with how old the reapers are and the technology they poses they should of known about andromeda. If it took the andromeda initiative 600 years to get there it shouldn't take the reapers longer than that to go to andromeda do their thing and come back. I was just thinking that after watching the latest trailer. I think you underestimate Reaper tech. Without the Mass Relays, Reapers do not have the capacity to move around efficiently and quickly throughout space. Why do you think Sovereign was trying to activate the Citadel in ME1? He was attempting to open up a link for the Reapers to return from Dark Space. The same issue happened in Arrival when Shepard destroyed the Alpha Relay, preventing the Reapers from invading the Milky Way galaxy earlier. Considering there are no Mass Relays (that we know of) outside of the Milky Way, it just wouldn't make sense for Reapers to make such a long voyage. Not to mention, their only purpose is to harvest and recycle the most advanced organics in the Milky Way. That is their only function.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 14:03:57 GMT
Programmed or not, I felt by the end of the trilogy, the Reapers had developed a seriously unhealthy obsession with Shepard.
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 4, 2017 14:11:02 GMT
Programmed or not, I felt by the end of the trilogy, the Reapers had developed a seriously unhealthy obsession with Shepard. Similair in nature and intensity to bioware fans' obsession with romance choices?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 14:13:14 GMT
Programmed or not, I felt by the end of the trilogy, the Reapers had developed a seriously unhealthy obsession with Shepard. Similair in nature and intensity to bioware fans' obsession with romance choices? Oh God you have no idea.
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Post by Rivercurse on Mar 4, 2017 14:29:45 GMT
Considering there are no Mass Relays (that we know of) outside of the Milky Way Well, there has to be at least one. The Reapers need to enter it in dark space, with the linked relay being the citadel itself.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 4, 2017 14:33:59 GMT
Considering there are no Mass Relays (that we know of) outside of the Milky Way Well, there has to be at least one. The Reapers need to enter it in dark space, with the linked relay being the citadel itself. I agree. But again, it seems the actual radius of the Mass Relays is largely exclusive to the Milky Way. Based on what we know, Reapers just hang out in Dark Space, which just appears to be the region that's outside of the Milky Way. There's never been any indications that they may be elsewhere. That's not to say that there couldn't be a derelict Reaper or two in Andromeda. Of course, BioWare has been rather adamant that we aren't going to see any Reapers in MEA.
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Post by Rivercurse on Mar 4, 2017 14:42:23 GMT
Yeah, I don't expect to hear anything about the Reapers in MEA either. Their story is done with. Although a future game in the series will likely have to deal with the ending aftermath somehow, because surely contact/communication will be made with the MW eventually.
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Post by Adhin on Mar 4, 2017 14:44:22 GMT
The Reapers were made by the Milky Way, for the Milky Way. If they're gonna go harvest Andromeda too, they might as well go harvest Triangulum, Messier 32, and all the galaxies near there...which would probably end up meaning in the billion-something years since they were created, they probably wouldn't have returned to the Milky Way once. Given their arrogance on the whole thing, they probably assume all the other galaxies naturally made their own Reapers too. Exactly. After a billion+ years, they should be spread all over Local Group or Supergroup (even the entire freaking universe is possible with the Reaper speed) and that would mean every galaxy is the same setup as Milky Way trilogy. Boooooring. Better to keep them in 1 Galaxy Boring, yeah, but they also wouldn't be able to 'cover it all' in the time from there creation. They only move at 30 light years a day. Not thousands. And your talking about 100 billion galaxies we can see now with telescopes, not the actual multiple hundreds to trillions of them that are actually out there. Plus they operate entirely on tricking up and coming species to follow a very specific path in technology so they're more predictable and only allow 50k years worth of that evolution to continue so they don't over step there grand design. They would have to setup relays, a citadel, after wiping out whatever is already there 'if' they even can, in every galaxy and would have to help out each galaxy every cycle before each galaxy had enough reapers to self sustain. That's such a load of unknowns I can't see AI programmed to just deal with the Milky Way to even bother with it. But ultimately, fuck that would be boring as shiiiit to deal with for every Mass Effect. So tired of that level of BS being used as bad guys. BioWare had to keep ramping things up more and more. Glad MEA is going a more sensible route story wise. Hope Dragon Age eventually does that cause holy shit that's going into BS territory real quick.
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Post by bryanky5 on Mar 4, 2017 14:49:27 GMT
Exactly. After a billion+ years, they should be spread all over Local Group or Supergroup (even the entire freaking universe is possible with the Reaper speed) and that would mean every galaxy is the same setup as Milky Way trilogy. Boooooring. Better to keep them in 1 Galaxy Boring, yeah, b ut they also wouldn't be able to 'cover it all' in the time from there creation. They only move at 30 light years a day. Not thousands. And your talking about 100 billion galaxies we can see now with telescopes, not the actual multiple hundreds to trillions of them that are actually out there. Plus they operate entirely on tricking up and coming species to follow a very specific path in technology so they're more predictable and only allow 50k years worth of that evolution to continue so they don't over step there grand design. They would have to setup relays, a citadel, after wiping out whatever is already there 'if' they even can, in every galaxy and would have to help out each galaxy every cycle before each galaxy had enough reapers to self sustain. That's such a load of unknowns I can't see AI programmed to just deal with the Milky Way to even bother with it. But ultimately, fuck that would be boring as shiiiit to deal with for every Mass Effect. So tired of that level of BS being used as bad guys. BioWare had to keep ramping things up more and more. Glad MEA is going a more sensible route story wise. Hope Dragon Age eventually does that cause holy shit that's going into BS territory real quick. If we're talking about the observable universe which is around 93billion light years across then the Reapers would "only" need 8.5million years to travel across it. So in a billion years if they kept moving it is possible they can traverse a good portion of the observable universe. It's a moot point anyway since they stayed in the Milky Way. Not saying they would get to every galaxy but...they can travel pretty far if they wanted
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Post by Adhin on Mar 4, 2017 15:02:18 GMT
If we're talking about the observable universe which is around 93billion light years across then the Reapers would "only" need 8.5million years to travel across it. So in a billion years if they kept moving it is possible they can traverse a good portion of the observable universe. It's a moot point anyway since they stayed in the Milky Way. Not saying they would get to every galaxy but...they can travel pretty far if they wanted Yeah that's kinda my point, that's a butt ton of time if they're just moving in a straight line ignoring other galaxies lol. They gadda make sure there 'back before the 50k marks' up. Little pinch of 100 years to wipe out the Milky Way once it gets started. Not to mention each galaxy would be completely new. No Relays, no Citadel to shut down a whole galaxy whos used to using your relay system + all the information on said civilizations to use in wiping them out... Personally, as much as I'm not much of a Reaper fan in general, and just based off all the stuff we learned in ME3 I find it extremely unlikely they would even consider the idea of branching out (there programming and all that). But I'd find it pretty damn hilarious IF we did find out that way back when they did the first reaping they sent a few of their kind to scout out Andromeda and got trashed by whatever was/made the Remnants and opted to stick to the Milky Way. Like antes. The 2 they sent never came back so they just... decided never to try again.
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Post by Jacket on Mar 4, 2017 15:09:12 GMT
Probably because the writers didn't plan to make another game after Mass Effect 3.
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Post by brunobyof on Mar 4, 2017 15:24:06 GMT
Do you even mass effect? Reapers were created to solve a milky way problem, not to conquer the universe
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Post by bloodmagereaver on Mar 4, 2017 15:36:16 GMT
Well...
I think there is a common mistake between what the Reapers were made to do and what they can actually do.
The Reapers were build to preserve life, not all life but just to ensure the continued existence of organic evolved life.
The Catalyst has deemed the operacional range of the Milky Way Galaxy to be sufficient for that purpose and thus would not bother to create a wider network to monitor life in other galaxies. Even thought the Reapers could conceivably conquer them.
As far as the Catalyst calculations were concerned, if intelligent life arose on other galaxies it would be destroyed by it's own machines long before they posed a threat to it.
However, if the precursors were actual aliens from Andromeda who reached the MW then it's conceivable that the Reapers indoctrinated them and sent them back to destroy their own species.
Precursor technology look very reaper like so it's not far fetched that they went on to become the Reapers of their own galaxy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 15:41:37 GMT
When Shepard queries how the intelligence defeated the Leviathan, Leviathan responds:
Considering that cosmos = universe =/= galaxy begs the question as to how the intelligence expected to drawn data from life in the universe just by limiting his army to the galaxy... but clearly this says the Reapers themselves are limited to the galaxy. We shouldn't be seeing them in Andromeda.
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Post by Princess Trejo on Mar 4, 2017 16:36:09 GMT
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 4, 2017 17:31:01 GMT
They had no knowledge of it.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 4, 2017 17:47:04 GMT
Despite all the fancy technology, there'd still be massive constraints on time and resources. The reapers may simply lacked the time needed to do much of anything in Andromeda. There may not have been enough reapers to focus efforts on more than one galaxy. Doing so presents a greater risk of losing more reapers than is acceptable. Outside of in-universe logic reasons, their story value is spent. There's nothing left worth telling.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 21:14:55 GMT
I think the reason Andromeda isn't overrun by synthetics is is a double-edged sword. The reapers doesn't come and reset their technology-- but, they don't have Mass Relays either. Throughout history, we've seen that isolation is never good for technological advancements.
Thus, we can assume that the races of the Heleus Cluster has developed far more slowly. From what we can see from their weapon technology, they've just reached the level that "requires" a reaper intervention.
For all we know, the reapers might have planned to take a detour to Andromeda before going back to bed in dark space.
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Post by Rivercurse on Mar 4, 2017 21:39:07 GMT
Do you even mass effect? Reapers were created to solve a milky way problem, not to conquer the universe Do you? They were created for one purpose: To preserve life at any cost. Not life in the milky way. And if they turned up in Andromeda (not that I think they will), their goal would be the same there. Not to "conquer" it. No one truly knows the scope of their programming, and no one truly knows to what extent their understanding of their purpose evolved through the millennia. Hell, Leviathan even says the intelligence evolved to find its solution in the first place.
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Post by lieb38 on Mar 4, 2017 22:09:32 GMT
Humoristic: V1 software of Catalist was only compatible with Milky Way. V2 was supposed to come soon™ and to support Andromeda but Shepard blowed all it up before.
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Post by Petroshenko on Mar 5, 2017 5:52:52 GMT
Despite all the fancy technology, there'd still be massive constraints on time and resources. The reapers may simply lacked the time needed to do much of anything in Andromeda. There may not have been enough reapers to focus efforts on more than one galaxy. Doing so presents a greater risk of losing more reapers than is acceptable. Outside of in-universe logic reasons, their story value is spent. There's nothing left worth telling. Travelling to Andromeda would take ~600 years in both directions for them + ~100 years to harvest. They would have 49k years still left to sleep and do nothing. If they wanted, they could've easily created a new army of Reapers exclusively for Andromeda (and then other Galaxies and other Galaxies finaly spreading across the entire universe). With 50k breaks between cycles and massive travel speed there's really no reason why they wouldn't be all over the universe already after a BILLION years.
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Post by Xerxes52 on Mar 5, 2017 6:16:34 GMT
I'm guessing it's because the Catalyst's ReaperOS runs on a derivative of Windows Vista and has only a couple gigabytes of RAM. If you want harvesting of the Magellanic Clouds, let alone the rest of the Local Group, you'd need at least Windows 8.1 and about eight gigs of RAM.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 12:11:38 GMT
I think it has to do with limiting a data sample size. As the Leviathan says... the Catalyst wanted to collect data from life in the cosmos (universe); but created the Reapers to do that data collection within the galaxy. He set the sample size of his experiment and probably intended to eventually expand the sample size to the areas of the universe outside the galaxy. The events of ME3 (regardless of the ending chosen) end the experiment as directed by the original Catalyst. If he/she destroys them, they are gone. If he/she controls them, their purpose is whatever Shepard directs it to be (which per the EC slides seems to be to help the current cycle in the Milky Way rebuild. If he/she synthesizes them, there is no need for further data collection since synthetics now completely understand organics.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Mar 5, 2017 16:33:58 GMT
with how old the reapers are and the technology they poses they should of known about andromeda. If it took the andromeda initiative 600 years to get there it shouldn't take the reapers longer than that to go to andromeda do their thing and come back. I was just thinking that after watching the latest trailer. Why stop at andromeda? Why not invade Triangulum Why stop at Triangulum, why not invade M32? Why stop at M32? Why not invade any of these 127 known galaxies and clusters in our local cluster? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_galaxiesWhy stop at our local cluster? Why not invade the hundreds of billions of galaxies that are in the known universe? Where does it end? The reapers would have to define parameters of their experiment or it would be doomed to fail. And one of those parameters were the spatial limitations of only conquering the milky way. This is probably due to logistical and technical reasons. The reapers were not as infinite as they would have had Shepard believe. Also the catalyst likely had base programming developed by the leviathan to only deal with the problem of organic life in leviathan controlled territory which is only the milky way. After all, when questioned on this, the leviathan wouldn't admit the catalyst had gone rogue. According to leviathan, it was still performing the task it had been originally programmed to do. And since leviathan concerns were local to the milky way, it makes sense for the catalysts concerns to equally be local to our galaxy alone. The domain of the leviathan empire. So thats your answer OP.
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