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Post by kingjuly on Mar 6, 2017 19:31:56 GMT
During the opening part of the briefing Dr Suvi Anwar says "our first wave of arks". Now, the 4 Arks in the game all left Council Space at the same time...so are we to assume this is a mistake on the writers part or are there going to be additional arks which play a part in the story? If not now, possibly in the next title. Just an interesting catch on my part
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 6, 2017 19:37:16 GMT
Wallters (?) told they thought about the way of adding old species from MW in next MEA games if necessary. Guess this is the answer.
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Post by traks on Mar 6, 2017 19:39:49 GMT
I don't think it is a mistake, because the Initiative might not be planned as a one-step operation.
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Post by spacebeetle on Mar 6, 2017 20:09:04 GMT
Probably, the AI was intended in waves since the very beginning: 1) Send in the first expeditions, better armed and armoured with tech years ahead of the time they were launched. 2) Create a bridgehead in AI after 634 years, and finish the Nexus, to be used as the first trans galactic portal of its kind. 3) Send in the rest of the arks and colonists (maybe with only 20/50 years of travel required), creating a more permanent base of operation in the Andromeda galaxy.
It will be interesting to see how in the meantime the Old Milky Way fared after the Reaper War…
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Post by colfoley on Mar 6, 2017 20:15:16 GMT
So, the second time watching the 13 minute opening on IGN, and the first time watching the Golden Worlds vid a certain phrase hit me, quite heavily, given Mac Walters promise that they have a plan of bringing any race from the MW eventually into Andromeda if they have the mind. In both of the vids the very specific phrase 'you are among the first waves of arcs' has been uttered. Now I thought the way they were going to do this was completley different.
But it is clear that this is the intention. That the four Arks representing the four council races, as well as additonal colonists on the Nexus from other species (Quarians, and Krogan) are merely the first wave. This makes some sense as the Andromeda Iniative, again as per the video and common sense, didn't look viable until recently. This was probably a council species initiative because they are the most powerful, and most economic, races in the Galaxy. But later, after it was confirmed that there are viable planets in the MW and the Iniative was looking like it coulc actually become viable, other species may have wanted to join in.
This still leads to some problems. Both the Batarians and Vorcha are out, as far as I can tell. The Batarians would never put together this kind of expedition, and I doubt they have the resources, and the Vorcha do not have the brains. The Batarians would have to infiltrate one of the other arcs to have a presence, and my guess is the Vorcha would have to be hired on as Mercenaries by another species not heavy on the military front. But I doubt we will see either race.
But, this still leaves in pretty much every one of the council inspired races to come in later on in the game, or in future installments. I especially think the Hanar/and Drell may want a second chance at a new life.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 6, 2017 20:23:39 GMT
AI is done by private organization, with some government aid.
So for Batarians, they can easily just get a bunch from independent worlds that are dominated by Batarians or just have sizeable population. For Vorcha? Cheap labour force, as corporations can be shady like that.
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Post by ash on Mar 6, 2017 20:27:10 GMT
Let's not forget that briefings are told as "according to our plan". Which also included any type of communication with the MW. We won't have the possibility (plot-reasons), so this may be not an answer.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 6, 2017 20:49:22 GMT
Let's not forget that briefings are told as "according to our plan". Which also included any type of communication with the MW. We won't have the possibility (plot-reasons), so this may be not an answer. My idea is that any ark which is not the original 4 + Nexus leaves shortly after the initial wave of arks, which given the distances involved could still mean they arrive in Andromeda years after we do. Because if any ark departs the MW after the original colonists arrive then that runs into ending problems and since one of the stated objectives of the Andromeda Initiative from the beginning has been to create a two way connection between the MW and Andromeda Galaxies then all anyone who is waiting around in 600 years would do is to theoretically...wait.
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Post by kingjuly on Mar 6, 2017 20:57:54 GMT
Probably, the AI was intended in waves since the very beginning: 1) Send in the first expeditions, better armed and armoured with tech years ahead of the time they were launched. 2) Create a bridgehead in AI after 634 years, and finish the Nexus, to be used as the first trans galactic portal of its kind. 3) Send in the rest of the arks and colonists (maybe with only 20/50 years of travel required), creating a more permanent base of operation in the Andromeda galaxy. It will be interesting to see how in the meantime the Old Milky Way fared after the Reaper War… I don't think they'll introduce people who survived the reaper war simply because that would mean they would need to make one of the original endings canon. More than likely the events of Andromeda take place over a few months which would allow for the Milky Way to send additional Arks before the reaper war even begins. Its possible some of the Arks could leave during the war too, but not after.
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Post by spacebeetle on Mar 6, 2017 21:08:33 GMT
Probably, the AI was intended in waves since the very beginning: 1) Send in the first expeditions, better armed and armoured with tech years ahead of the time they were launched. 2) Create a bridgehead in AI after 634 years, and finish the Nexus, to be used as the first trans galactic portal of its kind. 3) Send in the rest of the arks and colonists (maybe with only 20/50 years of travel required), creating a more permanent base of operation in the Andromeda galaxy. It will be interesting to see how in the meantime the Old Milky Way fared after the Reaper War… I don't think they'll introduce people who survived the reaper war simply because that would mean they would need to make one of the original endings canon. More than likely the events of Andromeda take place over a few months which would allow for the Milky Way to send additional Arks before the reaper war even begins. Its possible some of the Arks could leave during the war too, but not after. Sure, from a plot standpoint is that much harder to deliver, but I think that contacting again the Milky Way sooner or later will become a necessity for the AI. Maybe just to discover that in the past 634 years, thanks to the Reaper war, they completely forgot about us... or that the information about the Ai was deleted as a safety measure during the Reaper War.
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Post by kingjuly on Mar 6, 2017 21:23:11 GMT
I don't think they'll introduce people who survived the reaper war simply because that would mean they would need to make one of the original endings canon. More than likely the events of Andromeda take place over a few months which would allow for the Milky Way to send additional Arks before the reaper war even begins. Its possible some of the Arks could leave during the war too, but not after. Sure, from a plot standpoint is that much harder to deliver, but I think that contacting again the Milky Way sooner or later will become a necessity for the AI. Maybe just to discover that in the past 634 years, thanks to the Reaper war, they completely forgot about us... or that the information about the Ai was deleted as a safety measure during the Reaper War. Thats entirely possible, Id just be curious how they'll handle it. They would have to account for whatever ending we chose and that's a pretty big piece of information. I still get the gut feeling that we're done with the Milky War post-reaper war .
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Post by mango1smoothie on Mar 6, 2017 21:40:35 GMT
A Volus Ark with Vorcha mercenaries would be a site to see lol.
And I can see this being a real possibility with other Arks probably in development by the Initiative, and with the Reapers later showing up in the events of Mass Effect 3 any Arks in development could be rushed and sent with refugees to Andromeda to preserve other species.
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Post by missileglitcher on Mar 6, 2017 22:12:00 GMT
of course it's not a mistake on the writers part. bioware's writers are known to create consistent and logical stories. the arks will need a lot of water and ice, that's why there's a second wave of arks. they'll be delivering water and ice for the rest of the arks.
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Post by Druss on Mar 6, 2017 22:22:17 GMT
Bioware's writers are known to create consistent and logical stories. Yo dawg.......
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Post by davkar on Mar 7, 2017 7:32:41 GMT
During the opening part of the briefing Dr Suvi Anwar says "our first wave of arks". Now, the 4 Arks in the game all left Council Space at the same time...so are we to assume this is a mistake on the writers part or are there going to be additional arks which play a part in the story? If not now, possibly in the next title. Just an interesting catch on my part Yeah, well, they are all dead. Thanks reapers! The first wave is the only wave. Hyperion starts from the moon, I assume the other 3 launched form their respective worlds. If other races had similar project they probably constructed them near their home. Batarians are dead, volus and elcor had it rough too, vorcha are space rats (do they have a homeworld?). For the drell it would be like another relocation of the entire population and the hanar just standing still, not worth the effort to import the model to frostbite. Quarians are semi-confirmed, a few ships maybe tagged along, I guess they have a few hundred/thousand in AI. I rather they make new aliens (actual aliens not reused MW race designs) in the sequel(s).
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Post by lurkinganon on Mar 7, 2017 10:25:25 GMT
Yeah I can see that being the way to bring Volus and Drell in but what I want to come with is not the Hanar or Elcor but the Raloi who were prominent in the News during ME2 but then they were basically written off in ME3.
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 7, 2017 13:54:34 GMT
tfw Shepard went into cryo after ME3 and suddenly shows up in your galaxy /sshhhh I can dream
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Post by Cirvante on Mar 7, 2017 15:04:07 GMT
"The next wave of arks has arrived and quite a few more than we expected ... wait a minute, why do they all look like giant cockroaches?"
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Post by colfoley on Mar 8, 2017 5:29:39 GMT
"The next wave of arks has arrived and quite a few more than we expected ... wait a minute, why do they all look like giant cockroaches?" ...took me a minute.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Mar 8, 2017 14:20:17 GMT
During the opening part of the briefing Dr Suvi Anwar says "our first wave of arks". Now, the 4 Arks in the game all left Council Space at the same time...so are we to assume this is a mistake on the writers part or are there going to be additional arks which play a part in the story? If not now, possibly in the next title. Just an interesting catch on my part There are probably no more arks on the way because the reapers showed up. I doubt the intiative had planned for a massive galactic invasion to destroy the milky way infrastructure right after the first wave of arks leave. It will just be a video of no more arks show up at the designated time and its a mystery to the colonists what happened to them.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 8, 2017 22:26:03 GMT
I think Bioware may leave it open for the next game.
They could decide to find a way to bring further arks that were waylaid for X reason (not necessarily Reapers).
They could have, like, a mystery ark that freaks everyone out.
They could have figured out how to treat ME3, so now we get post-ME3 arrivals, or an early bridge back to the Milky Way.
They might have the Initiative be curious about not getting expected further arks.
I don't think it will be hugely dealt with in MEA but its a possibility for DLC and definitely for the next game.
We may have story threads existing that would spark ideas with writers and players, and Bioware can decide what they think will work best.
For now I think they want to be safe. This means the most popular things, haha. Bye Quarian and Geth focus! Bye minor species! Bye Milky Way issues! For now....?
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Post by luke on Mar 9, 2017 1:58:40 GMT
I can't say I'm too bothered about the Volus, Elcor, Hanar, or Drell showing up. I wouldn't mind if there were a few on the Nexus, but I'd prefer it if Bioware kept the key MW races and focused on creating and developing new Andromedan races.
The key MW races are fairly iconic, hopefully Bioware can develop equally iconic new races.
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Post by Koss on Mar 9, 2017 2:54:22 GMT
Interesting. Nice catch, King
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Post by Typhons Bioheat on Mar 12, 2017 4:15:02 GMT
It is a way for the writers to bring in members of the Milky Way galaxy in future installments should they choose to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 4:53:59 GMT
Who's to say they didn't clone Dad Ryder already? Or that the Ai isn't bringing a mini Sovereign with them? Leviathans may also be present in Andromeda.
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