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Post by Sartoz on Aug 7, 2016 0:35:58 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Mac gave an interview to Gamezone a few days back. The development of ME:A force the team to push the boundaries of what the FB3 engine can do regarding facial animations. "We’re pushing the boundaries of what Frostbite can do and what Mass Effect can do. The quality of the character animations is at an all-time high for us, and that’s great because it means expressiveness, emotion and a connection with the player."
Perhaps, then, that Ninja Asari is just a behind the Scenes showing an artist pushing that envelope and nothing more. Another tidbit. " One of the great things about working on Mass Effect is that it’s ground in reality. .."
"'That exists? That’s here on Earth?' and then we tweak it a little bit, and now it’s alien, right?"
So, they take inspiration from Earth's own natural treasures. Article is here: www.gamezone.com/news/mass-effect-andromeda-to-push-the-boundaries-of-the-frostbite-engine-3442141
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Post by LordGunSmith90 on Aug 7, 2016 1:15:53 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Mac gave an interview to Gamezone a few days back. The development of ME:A force the team to push the boundaries of what the FB3 engine can do regarding facial animations. "We’re pushing the boundaries of what Frostbite can do and what Mass Effect can do. The quality of the character animations is at an all-time high for us, and that’s great because it means expressiveness, emotion and a connection with the player."
Perhaps, then, that Ninja Asari is just a behind the Scenes showing an artist pushing that envelope and nothing more. Another tidbit. " One of the great things about working on Mass Effect is that it’s ground in reality. .."
"'That exists? That’s here on Earth?' and then we tweak it a little bit, and now it’s alien, right?"
So, they take inspiration from Earth's own natural treasures. Article is here: www.gamezone.com/news/mass-effect-andromeda-to-push-the-boundaries-of-the-frostbite-engine-3442141Interesting
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Post by DarthCompetent on Aug 7, 2016 1:16:37 GMT
I take it you don't like said Asari 😁
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Post by goishen on Aug 7, 2016 1:23:55 GMT
I can almost guarantee that asari is in game. They wouldn't spend that much time on assets like that just to have her not in game. Otherwise they would look like the pre-alpha footage of the leak that we got, all grainy, poorly optimized, etc.
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 7, 2016 1:27:05 GMT
I take it you don't like said Asari 😁 <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> As a facial animation showcase... I don't care. However, the Ninja mask paint makes no sense to me.
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Post by DarthCompetent on Aug 7, 2016 1:29:23 GMT
Hah! Agreed... What would be the purpose behind it
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 7, 2016 1:50:52 GMT
I think the (much) improved facial animations are going to be one of the game's biggest pluses. If the rest of the game's animations are on this level, the cinematic conversations will be 2nd to none. Which makes me wonder - are they doing more motion capture? Better tools? Both? I hope though, they do branch out in places and incorporate some more original "alien" flora. My only sticking point in the trailer were that the alien worlds had very "Earth-like" trees and shrubs. I would have suggested drawing more inspiration from prehistoric flora (maybe with a twist) if they wanted "different, but grounded".
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Post by goishen on Aug 7, 2016 2:05:04 GMT
Which makes me wonder - are they doing more motion capture? Better tools? Both? My guess is both. FB3 didn't come with any new stuff right out of the box, but that also means that BioWare can build stuff to go with FB3, rather than using some pre-made thing that doesn't (quite) work for what they want it to work for.
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Post by LFS on Aug 7, 2016 2:17:01 GMT
"The quality of the character animations is at an all-time high for us, and that’s great because it means expressiveness, emotion and a connection with the player." I don't know, Shepard was plenty expressive. #neverforget
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 2:32:35 GMT
After the reused animation fest of ME3's convos I hope they're using more mocap. Many cutscenes were very awkward.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Aug 7, 2016 3:24:00 GMT
I think the (much) improved facial animations are going to be one of the game's biggest pluses. If the rest of the game's animations are on this level, the cinematic conversations will be 2nd to none. Which makes me wonder - are they doing more motion capture? Better tools? Both? I hope though, they do branch out in places and incorporate some more original "alien" flora. My only sticking point in the trailer were that the alien worlds had very "Earth-like" trees and shrubs. I would have suggested drawing more inspiration from prehistoric flora (maybe with a twist) if they wanted "different, but grounded". That's a good animation, it's probably considered one of their best for them to display it; but I'll only think it's truly showing talent if they intended for the sudden expression shift to be comical, kinda cheeky like a cartoon. Otherwise, it's only a happy accident.
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 7, 2016 3:47:05 GMT
I think the (much) improved facial animations are going to be one of the game's biggest pluses. If the rest of the game's animations are on this level, the cinematic conversations will be 2nd to none. Which makes me wonder - are they doing more motion capture? Better tools? Both? I hope though, they do branch out in places and incorporate some more original "alien" flora. My only sticking point in the trailer were that the alien worlds had very "Earth-like" trees and shrubs. I would have suggested drawing more inspiration from prehistoric flora (maybe with a twist) if they wanted "different, but grounded". <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> "...the cinematic conversations..." That implies a higher level of cinematics content than we've seen before.... more tv-movie like than game? This is where an Action Mode or Story Mode option, comes in handy.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Aug 7, 2016 4:21:24 GMT
After the reused animation fest of ME3's convos I hope they're using more mocap. Many cutscenes were very awkward. The tweeted last year or early this year for people to apply for new motion capture. They've also said they know it affects Immersion and are trying to avoid it.
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 7, 2016 4:33:46 GMT
After the reused animation fest of ME3's convos I hope they're using more mocap. Many cutscenes were very awkward. The tweeted last year or early this year for people to apply for new motion capture. They've also said they know it affects Immersion and are trying to avoid it. <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. Besides, FB3 can't use assets from another engine. IMO, Bio had no choice but to start over. And, if you are starting over, you might as well do it right for asset reuse in game 2, 3... Facial animation is one, idling, walking, running, sitting... etc. These can be mocapped and reused. Though, I think bed scenes should always be re-mocapped for artistic and "reality-verification" reasons...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 5:13:34 GMT
LOL. I'm looking forward to it. Not necessarily the secks though. Unless they make romances more... intimate between Ryder and their mate like pretending they're not banging or calling them by their last name. Thane's siha thing was nice, we need more LI's giving nicknames.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Aug 7, 2016 13:01:11 GMT
I think the (much) improved facial animations are going to be one of the game's biggest pluses. If the rest of the game's animations are on this level, the cinematic conversations will be 2nd to none. Which makes me wonder - are they doing more motion capture? Better tools? Both? I hope though, they do branch out in places and incorporate some more original "alien" flora. My only sticking point in the trailer were that the alien worlds had very "Earth-like" trees and shrubs. I would have suggested drawing more inspiration from prehistoric flora (maybe with a twist) if they wanted "different, but grounded". I don't know, but to me that Asari shot doesn't exactly fill me with confidence or trust in what Mac says. It still looks very animatronic-y and bubbly like in DD. I hope it's a tad more like in ME1 in terms of facial performance if anything. That game had problems with how much characters could move their bodies and heads and stuff, but it has the best detail in facial animation out of all three games and DAI's facial animations was just an unpolished mess where people smiled when supposed to look angry or wrinkles their noses when they shouldn't. But I'm cautiously optimistic, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 13:19:32 GMT
yeah, Mac Walters face isnt nearly animated enough
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 7, 2016 16:19:34 GMT
Which makes me wonder - are they doing more motion capture? Better tools? Both? My guess is both. FB3 didn't come with any new stuff right out of the box, but that also means that BioWare can build stuff to go with FB3, rather than using some pre-made thing that doesn't (quite) work for what they want it to work for. Indeed. One good thing EA's doing in moving as many of their studios' games over to Frostbite is they're all developing their own additions to it. Then they share that expertise across the different studios. Eg. The Need for Speed guys helped with developing the Mako, crowd tech from PGA Tour being used in MEA, BioWare helping out the next NBA title for the story mode, I'm sure DICE is helping out in all kinds of ways... while the core Frostbite devs keep improving the overall engine. So it makes me wonder how many hands are helping out on the animation side of things... Looking at it from strictly a game engine POV, this will definitely pay dividends down the line. Eg. DICE has incorporated Photogrammetry now, which will hopefully make it over to BioWare's games. If you follow Frostbite, they're continuing to push better lighting, weather, physically-based rendering, etc... <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> "...the cinematic conversations..." That implies a higher level of cinematics content than we've seen before.... more tv-movie like than game? This is where an Action Mode or Story Mode option, comes in handy. When I say "cinematic conversations", I mean the important dialogue scenes where we have those mini movie moments - Cassandra fighting with Varric, Dorian and Cullen playing, Vivienne and Bastien, playing Wicked Grace, etc. and NPCs tend to be a lot more expressive. After the reused animation fest of ME3's convos I hope they're using more mocap. Many cutscenes were very awkward. The tweeted last year or early this year for people to apply for new motion capture. They've also said they know it affects Immersion and are trying to avoid it. That's good to know. It's expensive, but the mo' mocap the better! And EA's has one of the, of not the, best motion capture studios in the world. Hopefully, their studios are getting some kind of break on the costs there!
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Post by Nihilus on Aug 7, 2016 19:40:12 GMT
In the minority here, but I really like that Asari and her facial expressions. And to be fair, we didn't really see it in context with voices and sound which can take away alot. They can skip her face paint though, don't like that too much.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 20:11:38 GMT
Besides marketing and PR and a big bag of salt. If they can improve on the facial animations, great!
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Post by capn233 on Aug 7, 2016 20:38:40 GMT
I like promotional speak...
Saying they are pushing the boundaries of tech is nice. But throwing in the "what Mass Effect can do" bit makes the whole thing seem sillier. Mass Effect is an idea.
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Post by goishen on Aug 7, 2016 21:45:49 GMT
My guess is a lot. With the unreal engine, the unreal people didn't really wanna give away too much about how the engine worked, I'm guessing. With FB3, they can give it away because they are all in same company. We've already seen the dev's over at BioWare make a 4 legged animal and have it work successfully in DAI. Agreed, it took some doing, but they did it.
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Post by Arcian on Aug 7, 2016 22:16:55 GMT
To Mac Walters I say this:
I will believe it when I see it.
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Post by bshep on Aug 7, 2016 23:05:20 GMT
Interesting. I just hope my pc can run the game without any new upgrades
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 7, 2016 23:23:32 GMT
Interesting. I just hope my pc can run the game without any new upgrades They said a little while back that the requirements should be similar to DAI/Battlefront.
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