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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 9, 2017 20:06:04 GMT
It's sort of a given now that the character has reached that point in their life when they get the privilege of fighting for the User. Right on.
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Post by hammerstorm on Mar 9, 2017 20:06:35 GMT
Eh, Shepard is not badass. He is not even in the same tier as real badass people. In Mass effect he may be a big deal, but ME is not a really "badass universe". Oh, we got Reapers, wow. But as with all this questions it all depends on your definition of "badass". For the only thing I believe Shepard will have over Ryder is the fact that he died.... (maybe not a good sign but eh, it is impressive.) Otherwise we will probably do the same amount (not the exact things hopefully) of badass things that Shepard did.
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Post by Jacket on Mar 9, 2017 20:17:38 GMT
Shepard was too much of a saint, renegade Shepard just did bad things for no reason. Judge Dredd and The Punisher are badasses who you want to be like.
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Post by TormDK on Mar 9, 2017 20:28:44 GMT
Over time, they might.
I like that we're starting a bit before Shepard, who was already a hero though.
Although it will be hard to explain the loss of ability between games.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 20:48:11 GMT
No, there's only way Shepard'd lose a fight. Getting his blood evaporated by The warden who just got into the milky way trough an Eluvian. Otherwise, no. Ryder would loose to Shepard any time. He's basically Mass Effect's Arthur Dayne.
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Post by squidney2k1 on Mar 9, 2017 20:53:11 GMT
I seriously doubt that either of the Ryder twins will ever reach the levels of our reporter-punching, Reaper-stomping, Krogan-headbutting, pun-loving, line-holding Shepard who repeatedly hung up on the damn Citadel Council.
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Post by Amirit on Mar 9, 2017 21:20:39 GMT
As far as I remember (can not find link right away) developers said the main theme of the game is "humility" - to get the idea that mankind is only one of many. While in ME universe it was all about "human power". I'd say "humble bad-ass" is an oxymoron.
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Post by SKAR on Mar 9, 2017 21:57:57 GMT
Of course. Ryder has a lot of potential. If we don't surpass shep then we'll be an equal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 22:21:30 GMT
It's hilarious that people like to compare Shepard's badassery with Ryder's by throwing out their achievements.
To those, I can say this: Badassery can't be measured like that.
Shepard's circumstances are different from Ryder's. They are beyond one's control. How they react to them is what makes them badass.
If Ryder had to win against crazy spectres and billion old machines, obviously they would do that too, because they're the player character. It would be the same thing if Shepard went out exploring a new galaxy. Ryder can't control what kind of enemies he/she will meet. Nor could Shepard.
Just because one have fought a more destructive, more powerful threat does not mean the other wouldn't be capable of.
Is Shepard a more accomplished fighter? Of course. We barely started Ryder's journey. Is Shepard, in fact, more badass? Not at all. We haven't seen Ryder in action yet. It will be the same level.
Now, obviously by the time of Andromeda, Ryder will be the most badass person in the universe, because Shepard is long dead. As you know, Hawke was supposed to be the most important person in Thedas to solve the Mage/Templar war. That role was passed instantly to the Inquisitor, because that became your new protagonist.
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Post by Saboru on Mar 9, 2017 22:22:09 GMT
I'm not convinced someone in their 20s jacking in their job to move back in with dad is heading for a career in badassery.
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Post by Nightlife on Mar 10, 2017 3:14:28 GMT
Ryder needs to shave his head and add a 'Shep' cut to it to get the ball rolling. He's too pretty boy now.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Mar 10, 2017 5:02:40 GMT
Depends on how you define badass I guess. At the end of the day Shepard was a straight up soldier and warrior. Sure there were times Shepard had to play politics, or do a bit of exploring but ultimately Shepard found the trouble and tore it up. Shepard's story was a war story at the end of the day. Ryder is more of an explorer and trailblazer. Yeah Ryder will probably get into some pretty nasty fights and will probably eventually get to the point that they can fight just about as well as Shepard but Ryder's job at the end of the day is to find a new home and Ryder will naturally be more inclined to avoid confrontation if possible. They have a difference of role and mindset. I guess for me Ryder can end up being as cool as Shepard but maybe not the badass that Shepard was.
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Post by Cypher on Mar 10, 2017 5:09:35 GMT
As far as I remember (can not find link right away) developers said the main theme of the game is "humility" - to get the idea that mankind is only one of many. While in ME universe it was all about "human power". I'd say "humble bad-ass" is an oxymoron. You clearly have no experience with a man named Solid Snake, who downplayed himself taking out a tank with hand grenades.
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Post by NRieh on Mar 10, 2017 5:23:11 GMT
I'd rather see my Ryder being 'great as Ryder' not, 'as good as Commander Shepard'.
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Post by clips7 on Mar 10, 2017 6:36:41 GMT
I don't think so..Ryder is young and not even tested yet. Shepard was a seasoned vet who could inspire folks with a false sense of hope (knowing how stacked the odds was against him) and still encourage folks to walk down that dark path that would possibly lead to their demise...he was honest and up front about it, but he laced it with some some fabric of hope that the job can get done. Ryder is nowhere near that and if they elevate him to that status in this game, it will feel artificial and forced. Let him progress naturally by taking tough losses here and there and show him mature and improve through this progress...Bioware can be forgiven during combat tho...because even tho these folks are explorers, they are fighting and executing moves and tactics better than Shep and crew in some instances, but that is only because of video game logic and this game is the latest in the series....in reality as explorer based individuals they should be inferior to Shep's group in every shape way and form.... Ultimately i don't want a carbon copy of Shepard....Ryder needs to have his own leadership style when fully developed...but again we are at the mercy of Biowares writing (not a knock) just saying because of how the game's are structured, we might end up getting another Shepard by the 2nd or 3rd game of this series.....so no, I think Ryder will craft his own destiny, but i don't think he will reach Shepard status...
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Post by Amirit on Mar 10, 2017 10:38:02 GMT
As far as I remember (can not find link right away) developers said the main theme of the game is "humility" - to get the idea that mankind is only one of many. While in ME universe it was all about "human power". I'd say "humble bad-ass" is an oxymoron. You clearly have no experience with a man named Solid Snake, who downplayed himself taking out a tank with hand grenades. And which part of that heroic even was humble? From your description it\s a very definition of badassery - more "badass" would only be to tear that tank apart with bare hands.
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Post by Cypher on Mar 10, 2017 10:45:26 GMT
You clearly have no experience with a man named Solid Snake, who downplayed himself taking out a tank with hand grenades. And which part of that heroic even was humble? From your description it\s a very definition of badassery - more "badass" would only be to tear that tank apart with bare hands. Snake never saw himself as a hero or anyone special, he just did what he did because he was in the position to do it. Solid Snake is an humble badass asshole, but not an asshole in relation to his badassness.
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 10, 2017 11:04:38 GMT
Well, yes, they can, but I hope this won't be the point and hopefully not in first two hours of the game. This is talentless writers trap after all. "My character should be cooler than already known ones, so my readers won't get bored" - that crap killed Extended Universe, with Force Users throwing around Star Destroyers and extinguishing stars. If you can't write interesting protagonist without pushing power-level stakes - make humanity a favor, get another job.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 10, 2017 11:09:42 GMT
If anything, I hope Ryder has more personality then a brick (Shepard) or a wet noodle (Inquisitor)... everything else is just gravy.
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Post by noviere on Mar 10, 2017 12:00:40 GMT
Badass? Who knows. Shepard is like the greatest human soldier in history, basically. You have no say in the matter, really.
But an awesome character your grow to love? Sure, I think the Ryders can manage that.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 10, 2017 12:15:03 GMT
As far as I remember (can not find link right away) developers said the main theme of the game is "humility" - to get the idea that mankind is only one of many. While in ME universe it was all about "human power". I'd say "humble bad-ass" is an oxymoron. I'd say that humility only adds to the badassery. Being capable is all that matters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 13:34:58 GMT
No. At least not if we measure each by how formidable their foes were. It doesn't sound like Andromeda will have foes comparable to the Reapers.
I'd bet on Ryder being the Hawke to Shepard's Hero of Ferelden.
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Post by Amirit on Mar 10, 2017 13:44:16 GMT
And which part of that heroic even was humble? From your description it\s a very definition of badassery - more "badass" would only be to tear that tank apart with bare hands. Snake never saw himself as a hero or anyone special, he just did what he did because he was in the position to do it. Solid Snake is an humble badass asshole, but not an asshole in relation to his badassness. So did Shepard and yet no one doubts Shepard's badassery. Raider is a green chicken - young, untested, unproved, soft and sweet, and in daddy's shadow with intention not to fight but to explore. There is nothing "badass" about him/her.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 13:46:43 GMT
Nope, but it does not mean they are not going be charming in their own way. BioWare has a penchant for making me love my protagonists, and rarely fails.
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Post by degrees on Mar 10, 2017 13:55:16 GMT
The original team yes because let's be honest Wrex and Shepard were the only badasses.
Kaiden and Ashley lol.
Liara, Tali and even Garrus became ruthless in Mass Effect 2.
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