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Post by kaind on Mar 11, 2017 0:38:25 GMT
This seems to be a trope in stories that have to do with traveling to different planets, they all seem to be mono-environmental.
Here on Earth we have the icy regions, deserts, jungles etc. But out there it's always a planet that is completely covered in Ice, a planet that is one big desert, a planet that is one big jungle etc.
How do you feel about this, and do you think we will see any planets that have varied environments?
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 11, 2017 0:44:10 GMT
Huh... I didn't expect it any different. It's a scifie staple... one or two races/cultures per planet, one climate per planet, one special animal/plant/whatever per planet, etc. I settings with a vast number of different planets, they generally are rather shallow.
Would I love to see more? Sure, but I doubt it.
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Post by Ascend on Mar 11, 2017 0:46:21 GMT
Would have loved to see more environments on single planets, but there's only so much that can be realistically be taken into account when making a game.
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Post by stringerbell on Mar 11, 2017 0:47:50 GMT
It's not really realistic, but I guess I don't mind it too much (science fiction after all). We will only be exploring small portions of each planet so it would actually make sense to not be able to not see varied environments on a planet even if it did have them, unless there are two different spots we can land at or something like that. I'm definitely not expecting to see that happen so my guess is one environment per planet we can explore
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 11, 2017 0:51:19 GMT
Makes it easier to implement the game.
Doing otherwise would take probably more than a decade.
Unless they were to procedurally create these worlds however that would mean that certain triggers would need to remain in a fixed position on the planets.
That would probably cause glitching on the planets if they were to be procedurally made.
I know I am wrong.
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Post by kaind on Mar 11, 2017 0:54:19 GMT
I mean we don't have to necessarily visit more than one square of each planet at a time, but atleast when we are viewing a planet from space we could maybe see that the planet is actually rich with different environments, we would just have a specific reason to land where we land.
And if we were to visit a few different squares.. Does anyone remember Telos Kotor 2?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 0:57:47 GMT
I don't mind it because I assume you're just exploring a small area of a planet.
Hopefully with the planetary view from space multiple environments will be implied on a couple of them, even if it's just polar ice caps.
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Post by SofNascimento on Mar 11, 2017 0:57:49 GMT
And if we were to visit a few different squares.. Does anyone remember Telos Kotor 2? Alas I do. It was so boring... |
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Post by SofNascimento on Mar 11, 2017 0:58:30 GMT
I don't mind it at all. But I hope we see some truly alien landspace.
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Post by kaind on Mar 11, 2017 0:59:49 GMT
And if we were to visit a few different squares.. Does anyone remember Telos Kotor 2? Alas I do. It was so boring... Not talking about that, lol. More about the fact that we went from an urban area to wilderness and to a polar region which all looked distinctly different. |
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Post by Petroshenko on Mar 11, 2017 1:03:07 GMT
Doesn't bother me either way. TO make it realistic the planets would have to be GIGANTIC to feature environmental change. We don't exactly go straight from desertes to icy mountains to tropical jungles etc.
That or we would be landing on different spots on the same planets thousands of miles apart which gameplay-wise is really no different to making it separate planets.
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Post by Wolfwhistler on Mar 11, 2017 1:05:36 GMT
Its just how it is at this point. To make a varied set of environments that don't just seem jumbled together would require a much larger space to work on then is really feasible at this point. Besides, not all planets are going to be as varied as earth. Though mostly I just think it's due to technology limitations. Maybe one day.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 11, 2017 1:07:50 GMT
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Post by Cypher on Mar 11, 2017 1:08:41 GMT
We're only traversing specific areas of planets and not entire planets, so it's not a big deal.
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Post by kaind on Mar 11, 2017 1:10:30 GMT
We're only traversing specific areas of planets and not entire planets, so it's not a big deal. More to do with the brief and space view. You look at the planet from space and it looks like one big desert, you read the brief and it tells you that the planet is one big desert. I'm not saying we have to have different environments in the same tiny area that we are exploring. |
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Post by Saboru on Mar 11, 2017 1:23:00 GMT
We're only traversing specific areas of planets and not entire planets, so it's not a big deal. More to do with the brief and space view. You look at the planet from space and it looks like one big desert, you read the brief and it tells you that the planet is one big desert. I'm not saying we have to have different environments in the same tiny area that we are exploring. I was going to say something similar, but decided to rewatch the briefing and while I'd originally been left with a similar impression of the planets, it's not accurate. A couple of the planets yes, but mostly it describes things by one major feature, e.g. surface water, oceans, dextro amino acids - but it's the kind of feature that doesn't imply a single environment. And it's not showing clips of most of the planets, but shots of a single location on them. Desert world is the exception rather than the rule. |
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Post by kaind on Mar 11, 2017 1:25:50 GMT
More to do with the brief and space view. You look at the planet from space and it looks like one big desert, you read the brief and it tells you that the planet is one big desert. I'm not saying we have to have different environments in the same tiny area that we are exploring. I was going to say something similar, but decided to rewatch the briefing and while I'd originally been left with a similar impression of the planets, it's not accurate. A couple of the planets yes, but mostly it describes things by one major feature, e.g. surface water, oceans, destro amino acids - but it's the kind of feature that doesn't imply a single environment. And it's not showing clips of most of the planets, but shots of a single location on them. Desert world is the exception rather than the rule. If that's the case.. Good! |
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Post by Saboru on Mar 11, 2017 1:28:54 GMT
I was going to say something similar, but decided to rewatch the briefing and while I'd originally been left with a similar impression of the planets, it's not accurate. A couple of the planets yes, but mostly it describes things by one major feature, e.g. surface water, oceans, destro amino acids - but it's the kind of feature that doesn't imply a single environment. And it's not showing clips of most of the planets, but shots of a single location on them. Desert world is the exception rather than the rule. If that's the case.. Good! Yeah... well... I wouldn't get too hopeful. I'll still put my money on us seeing one environment per planet. But at least we might have a plausible case other bits of the world are different. |
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Post by jastall on Mar 11, 2017 1:31:48 GMT
It's not very realistic in most cases, but admittedly it's a sci-fi staple.
Also, how do we know all planets are like that? Sure, the playable environments are going to be fairly uniform across a single planet, but that doesn't always mean that the planet itself is like that top to bottom.
I don't think it's a big issue.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 11, 2017 1:42:10 GMT
We're only traversing specific areas of planets and not entire planets, so it's not a big deal. More to do with the brief and space view. You look at the planet from space and it looks like one big desert, you read the brief and it tells you that the planet is one big desert. I'm not saying we have to have different environments in the same tiny area that we are exploring.
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Post by Cypher on Mar 11, 2017 1:42:23 GMT
We're only traversing specific areas of planets and not entire planets, so it's not a big deal. More to do with the brief and space view. You look at the planet from space and it looks like one big desert, you read the brief and it tells you that the planet is one big desert. I'm not saying we have to have different environments in the same tiny area that we are exploring. I know, and my point still stands. If we were exploring entire planets, I'd be more picky about staring dirt the entire 15k mile trip, but it's just a slice, so I don't really care that on the map, the whole thing looks like a giant dust ball since the giant dust ball isn't the entirety of my literal level. now, if it were something akin to the inquisition map where you're on a world and every place is detailed to look different and blah blah blah, and then every single hub location you go to looks exactly the same, then I'd have an issue. Ice planet, jungle planet, volcano planet are not things I really have an issue with, especially since I don't expect to go to every homeworld for every sentient species that would logically have varied environments if we take it as "things must be analogous to Earth for life to flourish" kind of way. We have balls of ice and balls of dirt right next door to us cosmically, so running into them virtually in another galaxy is expected. |
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Post by Arcian on Mar 11, 2017 1:46:07 GMT
This seems to be a trope in stories that have to do with traveling to different planets, they all seem to be mono-environmental. Here on Earth we have the icy regions, deserts, jungles etc. But out there it's always a planet that is completely covered in Ice, a planet that is one big desert, a planet that is one big jungle etc. How do you feel about this, and do you think we will see any planets that have varied environments? The term is "single-biome planets". It's super-duper retarded. Planets didn't work like that in the original trilogy, which makes it super-duper-mega-maximum retarded in Andromeda. |
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 11, 2017 2:12:29 GMT
Which trilogy planets let us go to more than one biome?
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 11, 2017 2:16:27 GMT
I mean most sci-fi is like that.
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Post by Quickpaw on Mar 11, 2017 2:26:45 GMT
The trope is kind of there for a good reason: Barring Earth (the only known biosphere in our Galaxy) all the planets we have thus far observed in any real detail have been mono-climated (usually due to a lack of atmosphere), so most extrasolar worlds we conceptualize as being similar to the 8 out of 9 worlds we have the most experience with. We have no idea what worlds outside the Sol System are like, and any observations we make about them are limited by dilation of time, light, and distance. Thus it is logical to assume that most planetary bodies in our Galaxy and-or Universe have mono-terrain. This is compounded by the fact that we have only one frame of biological reference; that being Earth. So we either have to base our Sci-fi on that limited framework or make up something incredibly outlandish in order to make our fiction appeal to that balance of wonder/realism. It is damn near impossible for our minds to imagine something we have not yet experienced.
Plus there is only so much our gaming and simulation systems can render at our current technological level.
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