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Post by TheEmptyRoad on Mar 15, 2017 6:18:20 GMT
Matthew and Leah Ryder are not N7s. Alec Ryder was.
They respect what that means and won't be wearing their Father's armor (or Shepards for that matter).
They'll be wearing their own, bad-ass, customized armor.
They will not be participating in the Mass Effect equivalent of stolen valor.
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 15, 2017 8:29:01 GMT
Wearing N7 armor because your dad had one feels like a weird cosplay. I'd rather wear ARKCON insignia, even though it gives me uncomfortable Cerberus vibes.
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Post by noviere on Mar 15, 2017 9:06:04 GMT
No. He hasn't earned it.
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Post by jediguardian on Mar 15, 2017 9:12:47 GMT
I don't know about Lore But I will not use N7 armor again.
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Post by laxian on Mar 15, 2017 9:38:21 GMT
So will you use N7 armor? Or no since you are not well you know an N7? Of course - and it's lore friendly, too (don't know how people get that this isn't lore friendly? I mean using the N7-Tag for ourselves? That would be wrong, but even a cheap ass merc from the Terminus-Systems would fucking use N7 (or Turian/Asari/Salarian commando) armor if they could get their grubby paws on it and it's not like a lot of cool stuff doesn't end up on the black market! Look around today, you can buy military weapons, armor, night-vision goggles etc. etc. on the black market if you have the cash, so why not in the distant future? Humanity hasn't changed that much and it's not like the Turians, Asari and Salarians don't have criminals...remember Aria? (hell, it could even be official, we know that our dad is (or used to be?) N7, so the schematics could be there by his request or maybe some Salarian (Ex-STG maybe?) got his/her hands on it?) Hell, mercs would probably be able to afford it easily (at least if they are good, like say Zaed from ME2) because they have a lot of income to spend and survival is one thing any good merc will value (so they'll get the best armor they can afford and switch that out for better gear ASAP if they have more money available!) and commando stuff is probably among the best things out there (the only other stuff as good might be custom gear tailored to the specific person (!) and SPECTRE stuff) So yeah, I will use it if it's there and if it's any good (maybe N7 armor isn't the best, who knows maybe we can upgrade or craft some armor with Remnant/Kett/Angaran technology, who knows?) and I will not be harming the lore in any way (hell, I'd wear my dad's armor if that survives him (I believe that he will die or at least get incapacitated...hell, maybe he gets taken by the Kett?) and if it's better than what we have at the start!)...black market is probably a thing with all those rebells/criminals around in Andromeda (and we'll need good gear to crush those under our heel ) greetings LAX ps: I'd love to remove (or paint over) the N7-Logo (at least until I feel that my Ryder has earned that rank (hell, maybe we'll have some N7-Characters along who could maybe make you an honorary N7 (hell, I'd love it if one of the things we could do when establishing our forces is instituting training courses - I'd love a mix of Asari (especially for biotics!), Turian, Salarian (STG) and Human N7 training to create a new breed of soldier (we don't have that many people so good training counts for a lot in such a situation!)...hell, I'd go for genetic upgrades etc. too in our situation (making a few SPARTANS sounds like a great idea when you are fighting overwhelming numbers with few people and resources!))
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 15, 2017 9:42:41 GMT
So will you use N7 armor? Or no since you are not well you know an N7? It's probably worth throwing out there, but just because Ryder becomes the Pathfinder does not mean he/she can't become N7. We saw at Comic Con Ryder wearing the N7 armor. I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if we do become N7. Shepard was a Spectre while also being N7. Pathfinders are essentially the Helius Cluster's version of Spectres. No reason we can't be N7 too.
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Post by Cannibal on Mar 15, 2017 10:09:26 GMT
No, but not because of lore reasons but because it's boring looking. I'm hoping for blood dragon armor to show up.
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Post by pantherdane on Mar 15, 2017 10:25:29 GMT
It depends on the perks you get for your armor. I am here to kill, kill, kill (and survive) so if it has the most ammo pockets or quickest shield regen, or some other preferred perk, then that's what I will wear.
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Post by Adhin on Mar 15, 2017 12:45:19 GMT
I wont be, but my Shepard's never used it either (except the initial forced to use it intro sections). Has less to do with 'lore'. I mean the suits don't have anti-N7 detection systems that repel all non-N7 people from wearing them. Seriously, lore has jack shit to do with it.
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Post by SalaciousBCrumb on Mar 15, 2017 20:07:06 GMT
Unless we brought along the specs for Kassa Fabrications Colossus Armor, I'll be wearing N7 armor for the carbon fiber goodness and excellent color scheme.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 20:30:06 GMT
Conrad Verner used one (fake, but still).
I don't get people definition of "earning it". I guess that goes with tradition. But considering the fact that any and all N7s in the way would get rekt fighting us, it should be a honor for the ICT to have Ryder wearing it.
But I agree that there are more interesting armors around.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 15, 2017 22:30:06 GMT
Wow, the actually established, in text in-game, canon....
Don't mean shit. This is my Mass Effect.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 23:10:10 GMT
Conrad Verner used one (fake, but still). I don't get people definition of "earning it". I guess that goes with tradition. But considering the fact that any and all N7s in the way would get rekt fighting us, it should be a honor for the ICT to have Ryder wearing it. But I agree that there are more interesting armors around. I mean, there are very specific criteria someone has to meet to be N7. I don't really see how Ryder could be N7 without N7 training. Unless someone who was an N7 gifted it to him/her, but even then, it's still not "real" without those 20 hours a day of intense training, alien linguistics training, medical training, etc.. It would be kinda like cosplay, I guess. That's great if your Ryder likes dressing up, but it seems inappropriate to be cosplaying during life or death combat situations. I dunno, the whole thing just seems weird to me. The armor is clearly only in the game for fanservice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 23:22:29 GMT
Conrad Verner used one (fake, but still). I don't get people definition of "earning it". I guess that goes with tradition. But considering the fact that any and all N7s in the way would get rekt fighting us, it should be a honor for the ICT to have Ryder wearing it. But I agree that there are more interesting armors around. I mean, there are very specific criteria someone has to meet to be N7. I don't really see how Ryder could be N7 without N7 training. Unless someone who was an N7 gifted it to him/her, but even then, it's still not "real" without those 20 hours a day of intense training, alien linguistics training, medical training, etc.. It would be kinda like cosplay, I guess. That's great if your Ryder likes dressing up, but it seems inappropriate to be cosplaying during life or death combat situations. I dunno, the whole thing just seems weird to me. The armor is clearly only in the game for fanservice. Yup, I was joking. Considering you need ICT training and survive in admirable and effective fashion, you can't be an N7. However, also considering that your character faces more exceptional and insurmountable odds than pretty much anybody else anywhere (even the N6 trainees), you're well suited to be above N7 (if that even existed), without formal training. That's just convention and rule following. Ryder doesn't need any rules or conventional training to be a complete badass. That they can acquire in the field, doing the real work. Hence, honorary N7 for sure. If people are still arguing that you didn't "earn it", not conventionally, no. But damn if any N7 can claim they are able to achieve something even remotely like what we can. So, that's my point. If you prove yourself more capable and exceptional than the people who actually go through that intense training, you are disrespecting them? They are the ones who should be honored you are using their damn logo. And, for the record, I don't really care about this armor, I'm in love with that one from the first story trailer. That's my mission in this game, to acquire that wonderful armor.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 23:33:52 GMT
I mean, there are very specific criteria someone has to meet to be N7. I don't really see how Ryder could be N7 without N7 training. Unless someone who was an N7 gifted it to him/her, but even then, it's still not "real" without those 20 hours a day of intense training, alien linguistics training, medical training, etc.. It would be kinda like cosplay, I guess. That's great if your Ryder likes dressing up, but it seems inappropriate to be cosplaying during life or death combat situations. I dunno, the whole thing just seems weird to me. The armor is clearly only in the game for fanservice. Yup, I was joking. Considering you need ICT training and survive admirable and effective fashion, you can't be an N7 otherwise. However, considering also that your character faces more exceptional and insurmountable odds than pretty much anybody else anywhere (even the N6 trainees), you're well suited to be above N7 (if that even existed), without formal training. That's just convention and rule following. Ryder doesn't need any rules or conventional training to be a complete badass. That they can acquire in the field, doing the real work. Hence, honorary N7 for sure. If people are still arguing that you didn't "earn it", not conventionally, no. But damn if any N7 can claim they achieved something even remotely like what we can. So, that's my point. I still don't think I think Ryder can amount to an N6. He might be able to survive in an exceptional fashion, but that's the only criteria he meets, and you can't become an N7 without completing 1-6. I mean, there's more to the program than just combat. A lot more. Someone could be an exceptional fighter and have been through countless battles, but if they don't have all this: then they are not qualified to do 90% of the things that an N7 has to do. Even if Ryder saves the galaxy, he/she is still lacking all of these skills. So I don't think he/she can earn it, conventionally or otherwise. Maybe Ryder could kick Shepard's ass in a fight, I don't know, but Ryder certainly isn't an N7. He could become a general without ever being N7. I don't think anyone that went through those specific criteria should be honored that some kid is sporting their logo when he/she is incapable of doing most of the things that they had to learn to do to earn that.
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Post by degrees on Mar 15, 2017 23:34:00 GMT
No I won't be using it but what is up with this "lore" thing?
The existence of this game has thrown lore out of the window a long time ago but most of us here are still going to play it anyway.
No but to hell with lore.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 23:38:17 GMT
No but to hell with lore. In any case, he was sucked out into space from the cargo bay. To meet the Crystalline Entity in Hell, possibly. EDIT: No, wait, he survived that didn't he? He got deactivated after his little adventure with the rogue Borg, though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 23:42:14 GMT
Yup, I was joking. Considering you need ICT training and survive admirable and effective fashion, you can't be an N7 otherwise. However, considering also that your character faces more exceptional and insurmountable odds than pretty much anybody else anywhere (even the N6 trainees), you're well suited to be above N7 (if that even existed), without formal training. That's just convention and rule following. Ryder doesn't need any rules or conventional training to be a complete badass. That they can acquire in the field, doing the real work. Hence, honorary N7 for sure. If people are still arguing that you didn't "earn it", not conventionally, no. But damn if any N7 can claim they achieved something even remotely like what we can. So, that's my point. I still don't think I think Ryder can amount to an N6. He might be able to survive in an exceptional fashion, but that's the only criteria he meets, and you can't become an N7 without completing 1-6. I mean, there's more to the program than just combat. A lot more. Someone could be an exceptional fighter and have been through countless battles, but if they don't have all this: then they are not qualified to do 90% of the things that an N7 has to do. Even if Ryder saves the galaxy, he/she is still lacking all of these skills. So I don't think he/she can earn it, conventionally or otherwise. Maybe Ryder could kick Shepard's ass in a fight, I don't know, but Ryder certainly isn't an N7. What? You realize that in this game we do have jetpacks, and (spoiler tag): SAM (that is basically your free pass to everything, ENHANCED HUMAN). And Ryder indeed is a lot more than just a fighter, he/she is a recon specialist, which means they most likely have skills in all those other requirements, alien biology, environment, linguistics, diplomacy, even to a greater extent than simply just trained soldiers, but that's just my speculation (of course).
More importantly, he/she can be of any class and has enhanced physical and mental abilities because of that AI. So, yeah, I'd say Ryder gives N7s a run for their money in all those characteristics any time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 0:00:59 GMT
I still don't think I think Ryder can amount to an N6. He might be able to survive in an exceptional fashion, but that's the only criteria he meets, and you can't become an N7 without completing 1-6. I mean, there's more to the program than just combat. A lot more. Someone could be an exceptional fighter and have been through countless battles, but if they don't have all this: then they are not qualified to do 90% of the things that an N7 has to do. Even if Ryder saves the galaxy, he/she is still lacking all of these skills. So I don't think he/she can earn it, conventionally or otherwise. Maybe Ryder could kick Shepard's ass in a fight, I don't know, but Ryder certainly isn't an N7. What? You realize that in this game we do have jetpacks, and (spoiler tag): SAM (that is basically your free pass to everything, ENHANCED HUMAN). And Ryder indeed is a lot more than just a fighter, he/she is a recon specialist, which means they most likely have skills in all those other requirements, alien biology, environment, linguistics, diplomacy, even to a greater extent than simply just trained soldiers, but that's just my speculation (of course).
More importantly, he/she can be of any class and has enhanced physical and mental abilities because of that AI. So, yeah, I'd say Ryder gives N7s a run for their money in all those characteristics any time.
We do have the jetpack, but that still leaves out everything else, including alien linguistics and biology, which are probably very complex things to learn, and we don't have any word on Ryder knowing anything about either subject. And what SAM enhances is all relating to combat. As you said, that's speculation, and we don't really know that Ryder knows anything about alien biology or linguistics, nor is he an expert with diplomacy or have any sort of environmental expertise, as far as we know. Ryder could probably give an N7 a run for their money. In combat. I don't buy that he/she is automatically qualified in every other respect, though. BioWare has repeatedly said that Ryder is meant to be less experienced than Shepard when starting out. The emphasis they put on this fact would indicate that he/she doesn't really know much of anything outside of grunt work. In fact, the only reason Ryder becomes Pathfinder is because Alec supposedly dies. It has literally nothing to do with his/her skills. Probably because Ryder doesn't have any extraordinary skills. Of course, none of this is a bad thing. I'm not one of those people that desperately needs Shepard or someone like Shepard to be the main character. I think the whole appeal of Ryder is that he/she is an inexperienced kid. I just don't think they're N7, or can or should be N7. It's better that they aren't the best at everything. It makes for a more interesting character, in theory.
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Post by souljahbill14 on Mar 16, 2017 0:06:15 GMT
I'm wearing this Explorer armor and rocking this shotgun!
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I'm wearing this Explorer armor and rocking this shotgun! That golden Nomad is so tacky.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 0:14:14 GMT
What? You realize that in this game we do have jetpacks, and (spoiler tag): SAM (that is basically your free pass to everything, ENHANCED HUMAN). And Ryder indeed is a lot more than just a fighter, he/she is a recon specialist, which means they most likely have skills in all those other requirements, alien biology, environment, linguistics, diplomacy, even to a greater extent than simply just trained soldiers, but that's just my speculation (of course).
More importantly, he/she can be of any class and has enhanced physical and mental abilities because of that AI. So, yeah, I'd say Ryder gives N7s a run for their money in all those characteristics any time.
We do have the jetpack, but that still leaves out everything else, including alien linguistics and biology, which are probably very complex things to learn, and we don't have any word on Ryder knowing anything about either subject. And what SAM enhances is all relating to combat. As you said, that's speculation, and we don't really know that Ryder knows anything about alien biology or linguistics, nor is he an expert with diplomacy or have any sort of environmental expertise, as far as we know. Ryder could probably give an N7 a run for their money. In combat. I don't buy that he/she is automatically qualified in every other respect, though. BioWare has repeatedly said that Ryder is meant to be less experienced than Shepard when starting out. The emphasis they put on this fact would indicate that he/she doesn't really know much of anything outside of grunt work. In fact, the only reason Ryder becomes Pathfinder is because Alec supposedly dies. It has literally nothing to do with his/her skills. Probably because Ryder doesn't have any extraordinary skills. Of course, none of this is a bad thing. I'm not one of those people that desperately needs Shepard or someone like Shepard to be the main character. I think the whole appeal of Ryder is that he/she is an inexperienced kid. I just don't think they're N7, or can or should be N7. It's better that they aren't the best at everything. It makes for a more interesting character, in theory. No, of course. Ryder at the start is a lot more inexperienced, but I'm not even comparing Ryder to Shepard (which is different because Shepard is no ordinary N7, and is our character). But you have to agree that a pathfinder is a mix of soldier, guide and explorer, and an ordinary N7 is just a soldier, not a scientist or diplomat. But the fact that Ryder is our character means that they are the best there is in anything they do. We are the Ace, because that's how player characters work. If we were not Ryder, then, of course he/she would just be an ordinary human being. That's the whole point. I don't know if you are watching the videos, but (spoiler tag): We accompany Dad in the first mission and he leads the way. However, even though he is the N7 and has the whole set of skills that we will later acquire, and you're limited to just three (whatever class you choose), you're still killing a lot more aliens than him, seriously. You can even literally destroy everyone in your path without your father, or Cora, or Liam even getting to kill one! It's hilarious. Now, you're 22, you're inexperienced, but you're out there kicking more ass than an experienced N7, an asari huntress and a crisis specialist combined! And, lorewise we will become larger than life, more than what any N7 is able to achieve. Not at the beginning, of course, but we will eventually. Then, people will start to compare Ryder to the next protagonist and say how the new one sucks compared to him/her. And, more so, how Ryder can destroy any N7 special operative, throwing out their achievements. As I said, Ryder don't have experience yet, but as our character, it's just a matter of time, because we have pure talent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 0:22:07 GMT
We do have the jetpack, but that still leaves out everything else, including alien linguistics and biology, which are probably very complex things to learn, and we don't have any word on Ryder knowing anything about either subject. And what SAM enhances is all relating to combat. As you said, that's speculation, and we don't really know that Ryder knows anything about alien biology or linguistics, nor is he an expert with diplomacy or have any sort of environmental expertise, as far as we know. Ryder could probably give an N7 a run for their money. In combat. I don't buy that he/she is automatically qualified in every other respect, though. BioWare has repeatedly said that Ryder is meant to be less experienced than Shepard when starting out. The emphasis they put on this fact would indicate that he/she doesn't really know much of anything outside of grunt work. In fact, the only reason Ryder becomes Pathfinder is because Alec supposedly dies. It has literally nothing to do with his/her skills. Probably because Ryder doesn't have any extraordinary skills. Of course, none of this is a bad thing. I'm not one of those people that desperately needs Shepard or someone like Shepard to be the main character. I think the whole appeal of Ryder is that he/she is an inexperienced kid. I just don't think they're N7, or can or should be N7. It's better that they aren't the best at everything. It makes for a more interesting character, in theory. No, of course. Ryder at the start is a lot more inexperienced, but I'm not even comparing Ryder to Shepard (which is different because Shepard is no ordinary N7, and is our character). But you have to agree that a pathfinder is a mix of soldier, guide and explorer, and an ordinary N7 is just a soldier. But the fact that Ryder (is our character) means that they are the best there is in anything they do. We are the Ace, because that's how player characters work. If we were not Ryder, then, of course he/she would just be an ordinary human being. That's the whole point. I don't know if you are watching the videos, but (spoiler tag): We accompany Dad in the first mission and he leads the way. However, even though he is the N7 and has the whole set of skills that we will later acquire, and you're limited to just three (whatever class you choose), you're still killing a lot more aliens than him, seriously. You can even literally destroy everyone in your path without your father, or Cora, or Liam even getting to kill one! It's hilarious. Now, you're 22, you're inexperienced, but you're out there kicking more ass than an experienced N7, an asari huntress and a crisis specialist combined! Well, at the very beginning of ME1, Shepard is probably a bit closer to the average N7 than he is later on. Being a war hero is probably what brought him from a 6 to a 7, actually, though I'm not 100% sure of that. You're right, though, Shepard is exceptional, even by N7 standards. And yeah, the Pathfinder is all of those things, but Ryder wasn't meant to be the Pathfinder, so I see them as, in-universe, less impressive than the player makes them seem. Well, of course, yeah. I tend to take gameplay stuff with a grain of salt, though, since the player will always be more competent than the characters themselves. That's, as you said, just how playable characters work. I don't think Ryder is actually as capable as we make them look, story-wise, hence me not thinking Ryder deserves an N7 armor set.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 0:26:11 GMT
No, of course. Ryder at the start is a lot more inexperienced, but I'm not even comparing Ryder to Shepard (which is different because Shepard is no ordinary N7, and is our character). But you have to agree that a pathfinder is a mix of soldier, guide and explorer, and an ordinary N7 is just a soldier. But the fact that Ryder (is our character) means that they are the best there is in anything they do. We are the Ace, because that's how player characters work. If we were not Ryder, then, of course he/she would just be an ordinary human being. That's the whole point. I don't know if you are watching the videos, but (spoiler tag): We accompany Dad in the first mission and he leads the way. However, even though he is the N7 and has the whole set of skills that we will later acquire, and you're limited to just three (whatever class you choose), you're still killing a lot more aliens than him, seriously. You can even literally destroy everyone in your path without your father, or Cora, or Liam even getting to kill one! It's hilarious. Now, you're 22, you're inexperienced, but you're out there kicking more ass than an experienced N7, an asari huntress and a crisis specialist combined! Well, at the very beginning of ME1, Shepard is probably a bit closer to the average N7 than he is later on. Being a war hero is probably what brought him from a 6 to a 7, actually, though I'm not 100% sure of that. You're right, though, Shepard is exceptional, even by N7 standards. And yeah, the Pathfinder is all of those things, but Ryder wasn't meant to be the Pathfinder, so I see them as, in-universe, less impressive than the player makes them seem. Well, of course, yeah. I tend to take gameplay stuff with a grain of salt, though, since the player will always be more competent than the characters themselves. That's, as you said, just how playable characters work. I don't think Ryder is actually as capable as we make them look, story-wise, hence me not thinking Ryder deserves an N7 armor set. Fair enough. I, on the other hand, will use it, and show the real N7s how it's done.
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