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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 16:53:01 GMT
I am not advocating for no text chat.I'm merely that weirdly, it works without. People are less inclined to use their mics for insults than to type them. I've hardly ever met any troll or rager in the hundreds or thousands games is played. Btw if you know English well enough to type it, you should try talking nonetheless. Learning to speak a language can only come with practice. I've made tremendous progress since I've started using my mic for games. I am not sure that the positivity of the ME3MP was due to the VOIP over text, and I simply do not see when I would use text, seeing I do not have time to send a tell to a friend who popped on-line via Origin to tell him/her which Wave I am on, but I am all for text chat being available and not via pulling up the origin, that half the time does not open a text box and you have to click the name multiple times for it to come up btw.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 15, 2017 16:53:57 GMT
Source please? Since all one has to do to insult someone over voice chat is press one button and let 'er rip, it seems that would be the preferred method. Source is general impression from my experience in online gaming. XD But seriously you would think that insulting would be more likely on voice but actually not from my experience. I've met more cases of switching to typing for insults than the opposite. I don't play games like CoD or anything so it's maybe due to my games being populated by cowards xD In Gears of War 4 I do both. Since people assume the text chatter and the voice chatter must be two different people, I can rage in one and agree with myself in the other, making my opinions count twice as much as anyone else's
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Post by kouzje on Mar 15, 2017 16:55:36 GMT
Btw if you know English well enough to type it, you should try talking nonetheless. Learning to speak a language can only come with practice. I've made tremendous progress since I've started using my mic for games. Yeah, I thought about that actually. But then again, I don't think people must suffer my horrible pronunciation on a random lobby. Like, it's not a language class or anything. That's the way I think at least. I thought the same but I talked English better than I thought. Even if you don't talk much, a few spoken words convey a lot more than typing. You don't have to pause for saying "Banshee behind you" and bad pronunciation or not, it's greatly appreciated. Also when I watch some of my recorded gameplay I think my English is terrible and I don't even understand myself but my buddies say they never have any trouble understanding me and everyone is raving about how lovely my accent is. I don't know if sincere or not xD
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Post by Fly In The Lotion on Mar 15, 2017 16:58:42 GMT
At least PUGz couldn't mouth-breathe via text chat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 17:03:28 GMT
Yeah, I thought about that actually. But then again, I don't think people must suffer my horrible pronunciation on a random lobby. Like, it's not a language class or anything. That's the way I think at least. I thought the same but I talked English better than I thought. Even if you don't talk much, a few spoken words convey a lot more than typing. You don't have to pause for saying "Banshee behind you" and bad pronunciation or not, it's greatly appreciated. Also when I watch some of my recorded gameplay I think my English is terrible and I don't even understand myself but my buddies say they never have any trouble understanding me and everyone is raving about how lovely my accent is. I don't know if sincere or not xD Heh, you are not exactly trying to engage into comparison of early Renaissance poetry vs Neo-Confucian classics, so it's great to communicate, and folks will almost always catch your meaning in context. It's what we, as humans, are programmed to do by our very nature.
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Post by Cirvante on Mar 15, 2017 17:07:12 GMT
everyone is raving about how lovely my accent is. I don't know if sincere or not xD It sounds french, so chances are they are sincere ... and touching themselves.
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Post by kouzje on Mar 15, 2017 17:26:15 GMT
everyone is raving about how lovely my accent is. I don't know if sincere or not xD It sounds french, so chances are they are sincere ... and touching themselves. Actually since I moved to the UK I'm surrounded by French speaking English with an accent and I've been told mine doesn't sound French but "Asian". I don't know if just racist or not. XD
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 15, 2017 18:29:53 GMT
Source is general impression from my experience in online gaming. XD But seriously you would think that insulting would be more likely on voice but actually not from my experience. I've met more cases of switching to typing for insults than the opposite. I don't play games like CoD or anything so it's maybe due to my games being populated by cowards xD In Gears of War 4 I do both. Since people assume the text chatter and the voice chatter must be two different people, I can rage in one and agree with myself in the other, making my opinions count twice as much as anyone else's LOL that has to be one of the most clever things I've read in the entire year. Btw, which platform do you play Gears in?
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Post by sabreracer on Mar 15, 2017 18:44:27 GMT
I play ME3MP and DAMP (when I still had it installed) with two friends that don't use voice. Before we could all chat in origin chat rooms but now that's no longer an option we can talk to each other but not as a group at least not without using a 3rd party program.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 15, 2017 19:21:29 GMT
In Gears of War 4 I do both. Since people assume the text chatter and the voice chatter must be two different people, I can rage in one and agree with myself in the other, making my opinions count twice as much as anyone else's LOL that has to be one of the most clever things I've read in the entire year. Btw, which platform do you play Gears in? I did play it on PC, but since it failed half a dozen download attempts through the Windows Store and required me to ultimately download and install no less than 3 individual third-party apps just to get the damn thing to work, I somehow ended up with a huge Windows memory leak somewhere along the way which would run up to 100% CPU even after a fresh boot of the system, so I repartitioned my hard drive and never looked back. Gears 4 is dead to me now.
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Post by Furisco on Mar 15, 2017 19:25:01 GMT
LOL that has to be one of the most clever things I've read in the entire year. Btw, which platform do you play Gears in? I did play it on PC, but since it failed half a dozen download attempts through the Windows Store and required me to ultimately download and install no less than 3 individual third-party apps just to get the damn thing to work, I somehow ended up with a huge Windows memory leak somewhere along the way which would run up to 100% CPU even after a fresh boot of the system, so I repartitioned my hard drive and never looked back. Gears 4 is dead to me now. That's shitty. I beat Gears 4 last week. Really good game.
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Post by TheThirdRace on Mar 15, 2017 19:31:15 GMT
Lack of text chat due to "possible insults" is childish. This is not a game for little kids, most people playing are adults (or should, following the ESRB). What's next? no blood and all characters use water guns because otherwise it's too violent? The insult thing comes from both sides, so I don't see how that's an argument. If people don't want to use text chat, that's fine. But give the option for those who do want to use it. i play me3mp since launch i never, ever heard people insulting in voice chat I did, and quite a few times as I've said above. As for the argument of "I don't speak well English", I don't want to come off inconsiderate, but grow a pair already! I played with dozens of players that didn't speak much English, it was broken as **** and we still made it thru without much problems. It's all about a couple keywords and showing you want to help. If people make fun of you for your bad English, you don't play with those people. Just block anyone that is rude to you and you'll have an awesome experience with the remaining ones. Also, a mic is 30$. It's worth it, even with a broken English. Once you taste black you never go white again??? What? Well, you know what I mean From an american perspective, that's easy to say. If you were to jump, say, on a brazilian server, would you try to speak portuguese? It ain't about being shy, it's about a fact. I won't speak english if I can't do it decently enough, that is a personal thing. When you have indians, chinese, russians trying to say something and you just don't understand (it actually happened to me in ME3, it was an indian dude I think), wouldn't be easier if they had a way of writing what they want to say instead? Think of the text chat as it is in every other game, I don't see how text chat slows down a game like BF for instance. Obviously if you're getting shot at, you're not gonna start typing on the chat box. As I've said, text chat is an option for people who want to use it, you don't have to. I do have a mic btw, and "30$" is yet again by american standards, so the "cheap" trait does not apply en every country. Maybe there're people out there that truly can't buy a mic, or they rather don't buy it, or they don't care about buying one. It's like a controller on PC, it's an accessory not a must. I get what you're saying man, but not everyone thinks that way, as not everyone thinks the way I do. Repeating myself once more, text chat would be an optional component for those who appreciate having the feature and want to make use of it. If ME3MP had a text chat I would probably never have overcome my timidity and used voice chat. And I would never have experienced the gamer grill treatment. So yeah, I still think the lack of text chat has its charms. But yeah text chat would require moderation while voice doesn't for some weird reason. I suppose it works for you... but think of the bigger picture. Also, moderation? If they want to ban "bad words" so be it, but text chat does not imply a moderator baby-sitting the players. So I can call people retards via voice, but I can't write it down? I agree "insults" is a rubbish argument. You can insult people much more easily by voice than texting... I must ask though, why would you take for granted I'm an American? I'm French Canadian and I've played with Russians, Polish, Brazilians, etc. many times. English is the "business" language so it's normal to use it when you're in an international settings. Of course, if 4 Brazilians are playing together, I don't expect them to speak English. Hell, when I was the only one not Polish in a group, there was always one of them able to place 1 or 2 words in English to coordinate a little. The best example I could give you is my brother. He's been playing MP games since he's 15 and never used the mic (he's 33 now). He always told me, I'm not good enough in English, I don't need some American asshole to laugh at me while I play, I just wanna have fun. Since I started playing MP with ME3 (my first MP) I've been bugging him repeatedly to try, it's not as bad as he thought and it actually brings a lot more fun than he could ever imagine. 1 month ago, he told me he started to use his mic with a couple people on Titanfall. He couldn't believe how stupid he's been not to try before. He realized his fears / doubts / thinking were complete illusions and that he was missing a big part of what the game had to offer by refusing to use a mic. Using a mic is a big step in how fun the game can become. People complain nobody is using their mic, but just use yours intelligently for 1 game and most of the time you'll see other plugging theirs in the next match. People simply don't talk if you don't talk to them, once you move a bit forward, others will follow. It's just a matter of assuming who you are, hence why I said "grow a pair", if you stay silent, nobody will try for you. If you really can't, find someone that have that "pair" (or "quads" in case of Krogans) and follow, not everyone likes to lead either and I respect that. All I can say about the mic is that it's a big part of the game. Not using one is like driving a racing car with the cheapest tires available and thinking you got the "experience"... The point I really tried to convey about the text chat is that no matter how good someone thinks he/she is, there's gonna be a 1000 morons ruining it for you. I played with a lot of friends that used mostly the chat in ME3 and DAI and all I can say is they were less efficient by a large margin. We're talking top 100 leaderboard where you can clearly see when they're typing or not by looking how bad they're playing over 15 seconds. They get worst than a bot or a PUG! (sorry pugs, I still love you!) My point is, leaderbaord people are showing a dramatic drop in "goodness" when they use the chat, imagine how it can be for people that are already that bad while not chatting... I would be for a lobby chat though. It allows for meaningful discussion on your loadout, what could be improved, what class we're trying next, etc. I've got no problem with a lobby chat since there's no enemy trying to get you, there's no sense of urgency. Sure there's still gonna be "those" that takes forever, but there's a kick button for that. I think you get what I'm saying, you might not agree with all of it, but that's what I've personally experienced over 2000 hours of ME3 and DAI.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 15, 2017 20:06:11 GMT
Lack of text chat due to "possible insults" is childish. This is not a game for little kids, most people playing are adults (or should, following the ESRB). What's next? no blood and all characters use water guns because otherwise it's too violent? The insult thing comes from both sides, so I don't see how that's an argument. If people don't want to use text chat, that's fine. But give the option for those who do want to use it. I did, and quite a few times as I've said above. From an american perspective, that's easy to say. If you were to jump, say, on a brazilian server, would you try to speak portuguese? It ain't about being shy, it's about a fact. I won't speak english if I can't do it decently enough, that is a personal thing. When you have indians, chinese, russians trying to say something and you just don't understand (it actually happened to me in ME3, it was an indian dude I think), wouldn't be easier if they had a way of writing what they want to say instead? Think of the text chat as it is in every other game, I don't see how text chat slows down a game like BF for instance. Obviously if you're getting shot at, you're not gonna start typing on the chat box. As I've said, text chat is an option for people who want to use it, you don't have to. I do have a mic btw, and "30$" is yet again by american standards, so the "cheap" trait does not apply en every country. Maybe there're people out there that truly can't buy a mic, or they rather don't buy it, or they don't care about buying one. It's like a controller on PC, it's an accessory not a must. I get what you're saying man, but not everyone thinks that way, as not everyone thinks the way I do. Repeating myself once more, text chat would be an optional component for those who appreciate having the feature and want to make use of it. I suppose it works for you... but think of the bigger picture. Also, moderation? If they want to ban "bad words" so be it, but text chat does not imply a moderator baby-sitting the players. So I can call people retards via voice, but I can't write it down? I agree "insults" is a rubbish argument. You can insult people much more easily by voice than texting... I must ask though, why would you take for granted I'm an American? I'm French Canadian and I've played with Russians, Polish, Brazilians, etc. many times. English is the "business" language so it's normal to use it when you're in an international settings. Of course, if 4 Brazilians are playing together, I don't expect them to speak English. Hell, when I was the only one not Polish in a group, there was always one of them able to place 1 or 2 words in English to coordinate a little. The best example I could give you is my brother. He's been playing MP games since he's 15 and never used the mic (he's 33 now). He always told me, I'm not good enough in English, I don't need some American asshole to laugh at me while I play, I just wanna have fun. Since I started playing MP with ME3 (my first MP) I've been bugging him repeatedly to try, it's not as bad as he thought and it actually brings a lot more fun than he could ever imagine. 1 month ago, he told me he started to use his mic with a couple people on Titanfall. He couldn't believe how stupid he's been not to try before. He realized his fears / doubts / thinking were complete illusions and that he was missing a big part of what the game had to offer by refusing to use a mic. Using a mic is a big step in how fun the game can become. People complain nobody is using their mic, but just use yours intelligently for 1 game and most of the time you'll see other plugging theirs in the next match. People simply don't talk if you don't talk to them, once you move a bit forward, others will follow. It's just a matter of assuming who you are, hence why I said "grow a pair", if you stay silent, nobody will try for you. If you really can't, find someone that have that "pair" (or "quads" in case of Krogans) and follow, not everyone likes to lead either and I respect that. All I can say about the mic is that it's a big part of the game. Not using one is like driving a racing car with the cheapest tires available and thinking you got the "experience"... The point I really tried to convey about the text chat is that no matter how good someone thinks he/she is, there's gonna be a 1000 morons ruining it for you. I played with a lot of friends that used mostly the chat in ME3 and DAI and all I can say is they were less efficient by a large margin. We're talking top 100 leaderboard where you can clearly see when they're typing or not by looking how bad they're playing over 15 seconds. They get worst than a bot or a PUG! (sorry pugs, I still love you!) My point is, leaderbaord people are showing a dramatic drop in "goodness" when they use the chat, imagine how it can be for people that are already that bad while not chatting... I would be for a lobby chat though. It allows for meaningful discussion on your loadout, what could be improved, what class we're trying next, etc. I've got no problem with a lobby chat since there's no enemy trying to get you, there's no sense of urgency. Sure there's still gonna be "those" that takes forever, but there's a kick button for that. I think you get what I'm saying, you might not agree with all of it, but that's what I've personally experienced over 2000 hours of ME3 and DAI. I have a mic. It works fine with every other game and every other application ever made. But somehow when I use it in ME3MP all people can hear is mumbled garbo. This is a known issue.
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Post by rahavan on Mar 15, 2017 21:18:18 GMT
I honestly prefer no text chat. I've played many MMOs and every single guild I've been in has exclusively used VOIP for communication. If you used chat we generally ignore you because we focus on other shit. It's the same thing in MEAMP I got more important shit to look at than to constantly look at chat cuz you're a special snowflake whose afraid to talk. I get that mics break/sound like a toaster but voice communication is SOO much better. If your not a native English speaker look for a group of people who speak your language! who knows you might make friends doing that gasps
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Post by leafspring on Mar 15, 2017 21:49:25 GMT
Source is general impression from my experience in online gaming. XD But seriously you would think that insulting would be more likely on voice but actually not from my experience. I've met more cases of switching to typing for insults than the opposite. I don't play games like CoD or anything so it's maybe due to my games being populated by cowards xD In Gears of War 4 I do both. Since people assume the text chatter and the voice chatter must be two different people, I can rage in one and agree with myself in the other, making my opinions count twice as much as anyone else's You really got that trolling down to a fine art, haven't you?
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 15, 2017 21:56:40 GMT
Gears 4 is dead to me now. Yeah.. the Windows store is cancer really. I stop playing it because I lost interest, and it's too grindy for my liking. Maybe I'll return at some point, who knows. I agree "insults" is a rubbish argument. You can insult people much more easily by voice than texting... I must ask though, why would you take for granted I'm an American? I'm French Canadian and I've played with Russians, Polish, Brazilians, etc. many times. English is the "business" language so it's normal to use it when you're in an international settings. Of course, if 4 Brazilians are playing together, I don't expect them to speak English. Hell, when I was the only one not Polish in a group, there was always one of them able to place 1 or 2 words in English to coordinate a little. The best example I could give you is my brother. He's been playing MP games since he's 15 and never used the mic (he's 33 now). He always told me, I'm not good enough in English, I don't need some American asshole to laugh at me while I play, I just wanna have fun. Since I started playing MP with ME3 (my first MP) I've been bugging him repeatedly to try, it's not as bad as he thought and it actually brings a lot more fun than he could ever imagine. 1 month ago, he told me he started to use his mic with a couple people on Titanfall. He couldn't believe how stupid he's been not to try before. He realized his fears / doubts / thinking were complete illusions and that he was missing a big part of what the game had to offer by refusing to use a mic. Using a mic is a big step in how fun the game can become. People complain nobody is using their mic, but just use yours intelligently for 1 game and most of the time you'll see other plugging theirs in the next match. People simply don't talk if you don't talk to them, once you move a bit forward, others will follow. It's just a matter of assuming who you are, hence why I said "grow a pair", if you stay silent, nobody will try for you. If you really can't, find someone that have that "pair" (or "quads" in case of Krogans) and follow, not everyone likes to lead either and I respect that. All I can say about the mic is that it's a big part of the game. Not using one is like driving a racing car with the cheapest tires available and thinking you got the "experience"... The point I really tried to convey about the text chat is that no matter how good someone thinks he/she is, there's gonna be a 1000 morons ruining it for you. I played with a lot of friends that used mostly the chat in ME3 and DAI and all I can say is they were less efficient by a large margin. We're talking top 100 leaderboard where you can clearly see when they're typing or not by looking how bad they're playing over 15 seconds. They get worst than a bot or a PUG! (sorry pugs, I still love you!) My point is, leaderbaord people are showing a dramatic drop in "goodness" when they use the chat, imagine how it can be for people that are already that bad while not chatting... I would be for a lobby chat though. It allows for meaningful discussion on your loadout, what could be improved, what class we're trying next, etc. I've got no problem with a lobby chat since there's no enemy trying to get you, there's no sense of urgency. Sure there's still gonna be "those" that takes forever, but there's a kick button for that. I think you get what I'm saying, you might not agree with all of it, but that's what I've personally experienced over 2000 hours of ME3 and DAI. I just assumed you were american, no real reason really. I guess what I wanted to say was "you're either american, canadian, british, australian or any other native english-speaking country" Sometimes it's easy for you guys to think that everyone should speak english simply because it's your native language and literally the most common language, or business language as you said (not judging btw, because I agree in some aspects), but that doesn't mean everyone will do it. I think you misunderstood me. I don't have an issue using the mic as long as the people speaks my native language (spanish), I do have an issue when I'm supposed to talk in a foreign language that I don't know very well. As I've said I can write in english in a somewhat decent fashion (still typos and spell issues here now and then), but speaking? not so much. I don't tend to use the mic in ME3 simply because for some bizarre reason 80% of the time I ended up playing with north americans. As an example, I didn't use mic in BFs games either because here we have no local servers and I always had to jump to american servers (best possible ping, that is +90 minimum), then again not that mics are that useful for BFs games. I did play games like Pay Day, Borderlands and Left4Dead with local friends using the mic, and yeah it was a blast. But that's the thing, we were speaking our native language. I get were you're getting at based on your experience, but I personally, genuinely don't think that a text chat would be bad for Bioware MP games (ME or DA, or whatever). And if by chance it ends up being bad, then they only have to remove them, no big deal really. Point is, based on assumptions of being a "bad thing" we don't get a basic feature? I have a mic. It works fine with every other game and every other application ever made. But somehow when I use it in ME3MP all people can hear is mumbled garbo. This is a known issue. Yeah, that's the other downside. When we used to play PayDay 2 with some dudes here, we were always wasting 10 minutes "calibrating" our mics. Because someone was too loud, to quiet, we couldn't hear him, the audio was terrible and the usual stuff... It happens during the game too, for some reason the audio gets cut down even when it worked just fine in the lobby.
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