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Post by Dave the Scrub on Mar 15, 2017 17:38:51 GMT
This is probably overcome by the imminent release of MEA, but assuming I do keep playing ME3MP...
I've always sucked at sniping and as a result shied away from using the classes. I've gotten to the point that I feel I'm not embarrassing myself too much using a QFI and a Valiant. So do I...
1) Keep practicing on Bronze and an occasional Silver? This is where I feel my sniping skills are right now and is representative of my skill level. I won't drag down a team.
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2) Suck it up and play on Gold? I would definitely drag down a team and lead to a few team fails. I can play gold, and have even soloed gold, but not with a sniper. It would be out of my comfort zone, but that might be a good thing?
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Post by inert on Mar 15, 2017 17:44:28 GMT
If you find any good tips, maybe you can help me out. My sniping needs work, putting it nicely.
Quick-scope and stagger powers work best. on the FQI, Sabotage can "prop" up the enemy for a shot either on initial cast or during backfire. The SI is a little better at this with energy drain being more reliable. Aside from that, it's just precision - which I lack.
Situational awareness is key, as you can be flanked easily on the small maps. Sounds like gold shouldn't be a problem for you.
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Post by Beerfish on Mar 15, 2017 17:47:04 GMT
I am also a poor sniper so to compensate for that I used a abilities that will give me a stationary target for a bit longer, stasis is the obvious one but chill and sabotage do the trick as well.
As for gold games if I play a sniper there I load up on the top consumables but am also at the mercy of the squad makeup of my team mates.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 15, 2017 18:40:04 GMT
The Salarian Infiltrator, if I had to guess, is my most played kit. His survivability is much greater than the QFI, because a properly specced Energy Drain is near immunity. Valiant is a fine choice to work on your aim, but truly if you are playing on PC and want to get better at sniping, there are 3 weapons to practice with. Mantis/M98 Widow/Claymore All of them punish you for missing, making you more patient despite feeling pressure when you force yourself to get gud. Also, you get to practice Reload Canceling, the nectar of the gods for these weapons. People talk all the time about how RC boosts the Claymore. These people haven't used the Widow in a while. Personally, the Mantis is the best balanced gun in the game. It is absolutely Gold viable, it is not terrible on Platinum although it is not a world-beater. Use it on Bronze and Silver and no one will look at you funny, and then when you dominate with it on Gold in a PuG you get the hatemail adoration
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 18:45:06 GMT
Quick scope. Wait youre on PC? I got nothing.
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Post by nucleartech76 on Mar 15, 2017 18:56:08 GMT
Ok here we go. First make it easy on yourself, FQI or SI, single shot SR of your choice. Load up bronze or silver. Practice centering from the hip like putting the enemy in the certain of the monitor where when you scope it's just fine tuning to get the head. I'll line up with the neck or upper torso before I scope in personally. Second thing is kill stuff in cover, it's easy to line up and kill, also prioritize guardians, pyros, etc stuff that's easy to hit the head and kill to deplete the budget. I would solo for a while doing that. Kill a few things check your surroundings, pay attention to audio cues basically just have awareness instead of staying scoped in. Play the hell out of it though, muscle memory will eventually make you a better sniper where you can adjust faster in scope, seeing a lot of enemy movement will help you anticipate where your reticle needs to be. If you're still struggling put a damn hole from a hole punch in the center of your screen to help you line up out of scope better.
A few annoying fucking things that aren't your fault. If you're shooting at an enemy and another is close to them sometimes auto aim will split the difference on console. If you have the reticle aligned right on the enemies fucking head and they're in standing cover auto aim will put you to the side of the cover. If you're aiming down range at something and a swarmer is on the ground beside you auto aim will sometimes pull the scope downward.
As far as phantoms which are in my experience what most noob snipers struggle with the most. Throw a projectile in her general direction with her hit box up, she will bubble up, then shoot her in the face. Don't panic.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Mar 15, 2017 19:05:44 GMT
TSol with markman + Blackwidow = Can't fail
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Post by Mobius Y on Mar 15, 2017 19:17:36 GMT
Just play Gold and use one of the easy Winfiltrators with a hitscan stagger power - QFI and Sabotage or salarian with Energy Drain. Cloak with Y, scope in with LT, hit RB, pull RT. Stupid easy.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 15, 2017 19:46:13 GMT
Just play Gold and use one of the easy Winfiltrators with a hitscan stagger power - QFI and Sabotage or salarian with Energy Drain. Cloak with 1, scope in with Right Mouse button, hit 3, press Left Mouse button. Stupid easy. This will not work on PC.
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Post by Abramsrunner on Mar 15, 2017 19:48:16 GMT
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Post by Mobius Y on Mar 15, 2017 19:52:26 GMT
Just play Gold and use one of the easy Winfiltrators with a hitscan stagger power - QFI and Sabotage or salarian with Energy Drain. Cloak with 1, scope in with Right Mouse button, hit 3, press Left Mouse button. Stupid easy. This will not work on PC. Press the corresponding buttons for the respective powers then. :rage:
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 15, 2017 20:05:58 GMT
This will not work on PC. Press the corresponding buttons for the respective powers then. :rage: I am not dissing your post, but what you suggested also will not work. What you describe requires at least some auto-aim, and PC does not have it. Locking on to a target with your reticule is enough to make the cast power work on the target, but will not correct targeting aim to get the automatic bodyshot that I believe your recommendation describes. I never played enough on PS3 to really know this, but I do know that what you describe won't work on PC and for the OP that is something to consider.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 20:53:42 GMT
Here's what I can say from my experience when I was using sniping. 1. When lining up a shot, go for what you can aim for, meaning don't feel pressured into always aiming for the head. 2. Be fully committed and shoot, once you have your aiming reticle on an enemy, just shoot and don't hesitate or else that gives enemies most notably with mooks like marauders enough time to get away, and probably even kill you for not taking the shot 3. If you can see the enemy, then you can snipe them. I say this because you can aim at enemies without having the targeting bubble around them. 4. You wanna find the best positions on the map if possible that give you the best angle on certain spawns or wherever the enemy is. Example is firebase ghost, when you enter the room that has the longest ladder on the map. If you look outside and not go down the ladder, you have a good angle of those spawning near the makos IIRC and red skycar, If you look from the railing you can see the enemies spawning inside the room near the makos. 5. If you know you have enough penetration, enemies behind cover are easy targets.
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Post by Mobius Y on Mar 15, 2017 21:59:08 GMT
Press the corresponding buttons for the respective powers then. :rage: I am not dissing your post, but what you suggested also will not work. What you describe requires at least some auto-aim, and PC does not have it. Locking on to a target with your reticule is enough to make the cast power work on the target, but will not correct targeting aim to get the automatic bodyshot that I believe your recommendation describes. I never played enough on PS3 to really know this, but I do know that what you describe won't work on PC and for the OP that is something to consider. Where did I say you were dissing my post? I was being a smartass and agreeing that Xbox controls wouldn't work very well on a mouse and keyboard. :rage: If it requires more aim on PC... well, I'm sure OP can handle aiming at a staggered target without much difficulty. Was it the face?? :rage: I think this emoji is hilarious. I'm going to start using it more. :rage:
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 15, 2017 22:10:42 GMT
To supplement bestvolussupport's post:
If you can see it, you can snipe it... Except CSR. Beam weapons have limited range, which is weird space magic but Canderous wouldn't bat an eyelash.
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Post by Vormav on Mar 15, 2017 23:26:19 GMT
Vanilla human infiltrator with a Widow is my bread and butter. There's good advice in here already but there are a few things I think I can add.
For quick scoping on PC remember that you will zoom in on the centre of your screen. This works best if you're not in hard cover as that can mess with your orientation. (I think that's right... I might come back to this).
Practice. The Widow and Javelin are good starting sniper rifles because they will punish you for missing, but pack enough punch that you don’t always need headshots. Once you start to get more comfortable I recommend the Mantis for practice as it is more dependent on headshots (I often see an improvement with my other SRs after a round or two with a Mantis).
Play on a difficulty where you're going to be competitive. You won't get much practice if you don't have anything to shoot at or are on the ground all the time from looking down scope too long.
It's worth repeating that using stagger/freezing/stasis to help you line up shots is a time honoured tactic.
Don't overlook the value of marksman and adrenaline rush sniper builds. The second shot they afford can be helpful when learning to use single shot snipers (and TSol BW is great).
Have fun!
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Post by Dave the Scrub on Mar 15, 2017 23:38:15 GMT
Thanks for the suggestions folks. I switched over the SI, since I have a survival build on him (Moby's build I'm certain). Trying out the Mantis X, fortunately I remember reload cancel pretty well. I had to muck around with the loadout on it to get the reload to match the cooldown on TC, but got there.
I feel like I'm doing ok with it, getting about 70% or more headshots without needing to use energy drain. Of course this is with geth, and I know their movements pretty well, reapers or collectors will certainly give me trouble.
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Post by Upggrade on Mar 16, 2017 0:31:19 GMT
Geth Infiltrator with the Javelin. Headshots are entirely optional. You also have proximity mine for staggering and built in wall hax.
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Post by burningblood on Mar 16, 2017 1:48:48 GMT
Vanilla human infiltrator with a Widow is my bread and butter. Practice. The Widow and Javelin are good starting sniper rifles because they will punish you for missing, but pack enough punch that you don’t always need headshots. Have fun! ^^ This. Vanilla HI also has cryo blast, which is IMO perfect for sniper practice: - it will immobilize some targets, but not all, so it's helpful but you can't use it as a crutch; - the ones it freezes will hold still for a second before falling over - a perfect window of time to practice lining up headshots (shoot before they drop, let them thaw if you miss); - enemies not frozen will be slowed, making sniping less difficult but still not easy; - it will often be dodged, training you to anticipate and even deliberately trigger dodges to set up a post-dodge headshot; - it applies a debuff. i like debuffs.
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Post by Mobius Y on Mar 16, 2017 6:33:04 GMT
Thanks for the suggestions folks. I switched over the SI, since I have a survival build on him (Moby's build I'm certain). Trying out the Mantis X, fortunately I remember reload cancel pretty well. I had to muck around with the loadout on it to get the reload to match the cooldown on TC, but got there. I feel like I'm doing ok with it, getting about 70% or more headshots without needing to use energy drain. Of course this is with geth, and I know their movements pretty well, reapers or collectors will certainly give me trouble. Every build is my build. :rage: Seriously I fucking love this face. :rage:
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Post by LightRobot on Mar 16, 2017 10:42:13 GMT
How come the first answer to this post wasnt : "Git gud" ? What happened to BSN ???
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Post by Dave the Scrub on Mar 16, 2017 14:48:59 GMT
Thanks for the suggestions folks. I switched over the SI, since I have a survival build on him (Moby's build I'm certain). Trying out the Mantis X, fortunately I remember reload cancel pretty well. I had to muck around with the loadout on it to get the reload to match the cooldown on TC, but got there. I feel like I'm doing ok with it, getting about 70% or more headshots without needing to use energy drain. Of course this is with geth, and I know their movements pretty well, reapers or collectors will certainly give me trouble. Every build is my build. :rage: Seriously I fucking love this face. :rage: Pretty much. I can think of only one kit where I'm not using your build as a baseline.
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Post by Dave the Scrub on Mar 16, 2017 14:49:46 GMT
How come the first answer to this post wasnt : "Git gud" ? What happened to BSN ??? Because they know it is a waste of time with me. It will never happen.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 16, 2017 16:10:30 GMT
Against Collectors you will have a field day They have these big, juicy heads, makes me feel like Moby :rage:
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Post by Mobius Y on Mar 16, 2017 17:28:25 GMT
Against Collectors you will have a field day They have these big, juicy heads, makes me feel like Jay Haxtatron :rage: fix'd :rage:
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