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It's not them. It's you. Mar 17, 2017 13:29:55 GMT via mobile

Post by commandercryptarch on Mar 17, 2017 13:29:55 GMT

I am slightly confused.

At first, you say the game indeed has flaws and the devs should be held accountable ...and then you ask people to ignore the flaws (?).

To be fair ,every criticism I have seen so far is reasonable. I haven't seen any over the top hatred. Just normal concerns based on what players have experienced these past few days.

For example, I am not the most tech savvy gamer and I am not the one who will care too much about graphics ,can tell the difference between 25 and 35 FPSnor knows much about animation however, when I watched through IGN the Nexus video which was the first which featured Foster Addison...I noticed something wasn't right with her eyes and animation.Didn't need anyone to tell me.

The game has some flaws.Yes and it is perfectly OK to point them out respectfully.

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It's not them. It's you. Mar 17, 2017 13:30:14 GMT

Post by warbaby2 on Mar 17, 2017 13:30:14 GMT

Mar 17, 2017 13:22:06 GMT Lebanese Dude said:

Mar 17, 2017 13:17:30 GMT warbaby2 said:

Exactly - for you... many people feel that those issues shouldn't be there in an AAA game of 2017, which was supposedly "polished" for almost a year now.

Oh here you go giving me some subjective standards for what you consider acceptable in AAA games.

Literally every AAA that has come out in recent years has been a buggy mess on release with incomplete features. I do laugh when people conveniently forget how DLC and patches improved on their previous gaming experiences when judging fresh releases.

I'm just confused by people's own realities. In fact MEA's release has been smoother than most. The fact that the major complaints are character creation and the few facial animations is a good thing.

...and the writing, and the plot. Sorry, but people aren't as stupid... there are bugs, and the objectively, clearly visible broken game elements. Patches can only fix so much.

...did hold the line.

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It's not them. It's you. Mar 17, 2017 13:31:35 GMT

Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 17, 2017 13:31:35 GMT

Mar 17, 2017 13:28:04 GMT @tzeenchianapostrophe said:

Mar 17, 2017 13:24:27 GMT Sifr said:

I can't really respond on the quality of the game itself, I'm yet to play it, all I've seen so far is only the released footage, which seems of a somewhat questionable quality.

What I do know, is that that many tireless bioware defenders seem to take offense to the mere existence of negative opinions.

Reread the post and tell me where it criticized people for having negative opinions.

The entire post is dedicated to the context behind those opinions, not the fact that these opinions exist.

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It's not them. It's you. Mar 17, 2017 13:34:07 GMT via mobile luketrevelyan, our_lady_of_darkness, and 4 more like this

Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 17, 2017 13:34:07 GMT

Your style is aggressive, and gets attention, I will give you that.

This is the definition of a troll post. If anyone on these forums wasn't sure, take a good look at the title and the OP.

Hating the game is one thing. You hate people who hate the game. That is a personal problem.

All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.

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It's not them. It's you. Mar 17, 2017 13:35:17 GMT

Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 17, 2017 13:35:17 GMT

Mar 17, 2017 13:30:14 GMT warbaby2 said:

Mar 17, 2017 13:22:06 GMT Lebanese Dude said:

...and the writing, and the plot. Sorry, but people aren't as stupid...

Subjective subjective subjective.

Writing is fine to me.

I appreciated how dialogue choices cascaded and were referenced down the line.

I liked how the narrative changed depending on whether I completed certain events.

I enjoyed how fast-paced it was as I could feel the excitement and adrenaline.

I have yet to form an opinion on the main story as I know little.

I disliked what Alec did because it seemed to contradict what he said earlier. Perhaps something down the line?

Net: Positive

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It's not them. It's you. Mar 17, 2017 13:38:01 GMT

Post by rahavan on Mar 17, 2017 13:38:01 GMT

Mar 17, 2017 13:28:04 GMT @tzeenchianapostrophe said:

Mar 17, 2017 13:24:27 GMT Sifr said:

More like;

"Can everyone stop acting like spoiled children, ready to hate the game based on only minor surface imperfections that really doesn't matter or affect the quality of the game on the whole? The game has a few chipped nails, but that's no reason to take it behind the coal shed and shoot it."

:-/

I can't really respond on the quality of the game itself, I'm yet to play it, all I've seen so far is only the released footage, which seems of a somewhat questionable quality.

What I do know, is that that many tireless bioware defenders seem to take offense to the mere existence of negative opinions.

Eh, not really, there's of course going to be fan boys but most people agree on the faults of the game. The problem is some yell it every chance they get while most of us go "yeah I didn't like that" and don't let it ruin the rest of the game.

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It's not them. It's you. Mar 17, 2017 13:38:55 GMT

Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 17, 2017 13:38:55 GMT

Mar 17, 2017 13:33:32 GMT @tzeenchianapostrophe said:

Mar 17, 2017 13:31:35 GMT Lebanese Dude said:

Reread the post and tell me where it criticized people for having negative opinions.

The entire post is dedicated to the context behind those opinions, not the fact that these opinions exist.

Your post can be summed up with: If you dislike something about ME:A it's your fault, you must be doing something wrong.

My response to that can be summed up with: Bullshit.

No it can't be summed up like that.

It's "if you dislike something, it's not necessarily BioWare's fault and you can do something to improve your enjoyment which is ALL THAT MATTERS in a game"

For example, do you really think it's bullshit to tell someone who dislikes exploration to stop being a completionist?

It takes a certain kind of bullheadedness to disagree I think. If you don't enjoy something then don't do it.

Last Edit: Mar 17, 2017 13:39:31 GMT by Lebanese Dude

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It's not them. It's you. Mar 17, 2017 13:39:28 GMT

Post by luketrevelyan on Mar 17, 2017 13:39:28 GMT

I haven't played early access so I have no opinion either way. But this thread is completely ridiculous. People can and should be able to dislike games and post their opinions about it.

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It's not them. It's you. Mar 17, 2017 13:41:04 GMT

Post by katiemsmith12341 on Mar 17, 2017 13:41:04 GMT

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It's not them. It's you. Mar 17, 2017 13:41:20 GMT

Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 17, 2017 13:41:20 GMT

Mar 17, 2017 13:34:07 GMT Qui-Gon GlenN7 said:

Your style is aggressive, and gets attention, I will give you that.

This is the definition of a troll post. If anyone on these forums wasn't sure, take a good look at the title and the OP.

Hating the game is one thing. You hate people who hate the game. That is a personal problem.

Hate the PEOPLE?

I see.

You can't separate people from their opinions, so you think that criticizing the formation of those opinions is an attack on the people themselves.

Ah that's just funny.

I don't feel anything towards anyone. What I hate is hyperbole disguised as opinion.

You're right though. I should have said "It's not them, it's your opinion".

Last Edit: Mar 17, 2017 13:42:07 GMT by Lebanese Dude

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It's not them. It's you. Mar 17, 2017 13:43:09 GMT

Post by azarhal on Mar 17, 2017 13:43:09 GMT

Mar 17, 2017 13:11:49 GMT wolfsite said:

Mar 17, 2017 13:07:41 GMT Lebanese Dude said:

At least that was somewhat understandable because it was the ending of a trilogy. This narrative has barely even started for crying out loud.

People crying about baggage are the ones who are bringing it in. I entered this game expecting the Mass Effect ethos not a sequel.

Most of the criticisms though are honest criticisms, not attacking the game for the sake of attacking.

A lot of the ones I have read have been "I am enjoying the game but it just has some issues...."

I'll admit to having a rocky start with the game but Once I got past all the introduction stuff and into the game proper I am enjoying it more but I still am seeing issues that should be addressed.

For some weird reasons, the people going around hating the game (even in these forums) aren't posting in the thread that BioWare created to post feedbacks. That place is crazy positive in comparison to everything else and you would think if the game was as awful as some people claim that the feedback thread would mirror that.

It is also clear that people who didn't like ME1 do not like MEA. That's not too surprising really.

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It's not them. It's you. Mar 17, 2017 13:44:01 GMT Lebanese Dude likes this

Post by derrame on Mar 17, 2017 13:44:01 GMT

no, i was always very optmimistic about this game, i'm am,
and it's not nitpicking, it's that the game objectively has very bad facial and walking animations, not just for me, for everyone who played it or is playing it,

there are only two things i dont like:

the bad animations, which are in every human and asari
and the camera way too close to the character in MP

that's all,

i love everything else about this game,

in a game that was in development for more than 5 years, millions $ , those bad animatios are unnacceptable
maybe the game is not finished, i hope they fix the animations in some future patch

they said they will fix the animations on day 1 patch, they did not,
they said there will be field of view slider in pc version, it's not there

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It's not them. It's you. Mar 17, 2017 13:45:38 GMT Qui-Gon GlenN7 and dazzarlok like this

Post by katiemsmith12341 on Mar 17, 2017 13:45:38 GMT

Im going to post this earlier than expected but I need to work so have fun guys

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It's not them. It's you. Mar 17, 2017 13:45:39 GMT

Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 17, 2017 13:45:39 GMT

Mar 17, 2017 13:29:55 GMT commandercryptarch said:

I am slightly confused.

At first, you say the game indeed has flaws and the devs should be held accountable ...and then you ask people to ignore the flaws (?).

To be fair ,every criticism I have seen so far is reasonable. I haven't seen any over the top hatred. Just normal concerns based on what players have experienced these past few days

I'm not telling people to ignore flaws. In fact that very line I said encouraged people to express themselves.

I'm just pointing out how relatively easy it is to move past these flaws and enjoy the game as a whole if people allow themselves to do so.

That point was lost on people, because they just want to be victims, as always.

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It's not them. It's you. Mar 17, 2017 13:50:54 GMT Qui-Gon GlenN7 likes this

Post by GordianKnot on Mar 17, 2017 13:50:54 GMT

Mar 17, 2017 13:41:20 GMT Lebanese Dude said:

Hate the PEOPLE?

I see.

You can't separate people from their opinions, so you think that criticizing the formation of those opinions is an attack on the people themselves.

Ah that's just funny.

I don't feel anything towards anyone. What I hate is hyperbole disguised as opinion.

You're right though. I should have said "It's not them, it's your opinion".

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