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Post by vilegrim on Mar 19, 2017 3:28:37 GMT
erm I fail to see how any of the tweets listed in that article are racist, maybe it's an English thing, but if I didn't say far worse about my coworkers they would ask me if I was ill/grieving
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 19, 2017 3:30:32 GMT
So does that mean y'all will stop whining about him now, or...? Hopefully. I mean, I made this thread but I was never really on that train tbh. I always chuckled when I saw comments on Youtube or Reddit going "Blablabla, that's what happens when you hire a RACIST developer who hates people that are white!" sothatshowtheslavesmustvefelt.gif
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Post by adasirin on Mar 19, 2017 3:31:49 GMT
His racism is probably not going anywhere, but honestly I don't think people should give a fuck so long as he does a good job at developing. I generally agree with the idea of separating the art from the artist. But there was something about the way Manveer shoved his abhorrent views in people's faces constantly on Twitter that really bugged me. It was basically like he was going out of his way to antagonise a large portion of BioWare's fanbase just for his own sick pleasure. And while doing so, hiding behind a phoney guise of "progressive" language ("white privilege", etc) as though he was righteous in doing so. Mostly, I found it really unprofessional. And I think what annoys people the most is the double standard of it: hypothetically speaking, if a BioWare employee used the same kind of toxic, racist language against any minority they'd be fired in a heartbeat, yet he seemed to go unchallenged. So all in all I'm glad to see him gone.
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Post by Hier0phant on Mar 19, 2017 3:33:42 GMT
So does that mean y'all will stop whining about him now, or...? No. He's amusing.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 19, 2017 3:33:58 GMT
erm I fail to see how any of the tweets listed in that article are racist, maybe it's an English thing, but if I didn't say far worse about my coworkers they would ask me if I was ill/grieving It isen't. It is prejudiced however, mostly because of Heirs beliefs on intersectional social and cultural structure. I personally disagree with him on an academic level on that one.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Mar 19, 2017 3:35:48 GMT
His racism is probably not going anywhere, but honestly I don't think people should give a fuck so long as he does a good job at developing. That's how I feel about him. I couldn't care less about your beliefs as long as you got the job done. I had this convo earlier in the week. What i explained was having a jerk wandering around site, not being a jerk, is fine if he's a good worker. But if he's enough of a jerk that it starts to mess with the other blokes doing their jobs he's on very thin ice.
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Post by kaind on Mar 19, 2017 3:37:56 GMT
His racism is probably not going anywhere, but honestly I don't think people should give a fuck so long as he does a good job at developing. I generally agree with the idea of separating the art from the artist. But there was something about the way Manveer shoved his abhorrent views in people's faces constantly on Twitter that really bugged me. It was basically like he was going out of his way to antagonise a large portion of BioWare's fanbase just for his own sick pleasure. And while doing so, hiding behind a phoney guise of "progressive" language ("white privilege", etc) as though he was righteous in doing so. Mostly, I found it really unprofessional. And I think what annoys people the most is the double standard of it: hypothetically speaking, if a BioWare employee used the same kind of toxic, racist language against any minority they'd be fired in a heartbeat, yet he seemed to go unchallenged. So all in all I'm glad to see him gone. How the fuck do you shove your twitter into other peoples faces? You don't have to follow him you know, and a person shouldn't have to keep their personal twitter professional. I don't think it's anyone's business if someone is being racist against minorities on twitter either. Then again twitter itself will just ban you for that, because they have double standards.
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Post by vilegrim on Mar 19, 2017 3:39:17 GMT
erm I fail to see how any of the tweets listed in that article are racist, maybe it's an English thing, but if I didn't say far worse about my coworkers they would ask me if I was ill/grieving It isen't. It is prejudiced however, mostly because of Heirs beliefs on intersectional social and cultural structure. I personally disagree with him on an academic level on that one. ok, will need filling in on that front, because the tweets linked where taking the piss not being an arse....
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Post by slimgrin on Mar 19, 2017 3:40:15 GMT
So does that mean y'all will stop whining about him now, or...? Oh.. is this where you call us all snowflakes? I never whined about him. He was a tool. Not much else to say.
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Post by vilegrim on Mar 19, 2017 3:43:16 GMT
It isen't. It is prejudiced however, mostly because of Heirs beliefs on intersectional social and cultural structure. I personally disagree with him on an academic level on that one. ok, will need filling in on that front, because the tweets linked where taking the piss not being an arse.... They have banned people for incitement before, and are crap at catching terror groups (your peace of mind will not be helped by reading any fundamentalist or nationalist feeds, no matter what nation or creed) but if a big enough advertising endangering shit storm kicks off they do swing the ban hammer, I think that may actually be the issue, they are not actively hunting for lunacy, they respond when shit kicks off outside twitter. (Which I gave up on years ago)
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 19, 2017 3:43:59 GMT
It isen't. It is prejudiced however, mostly because of Heirs beliefs on intersectional social and cultural structure. I personally disagree with him on an academic level on that one. ok, will need filling in on that front, because the tweets linked where taking the piss not being an arse.... Stems from this, which Heir here had a few good points.Problem is he dismisses certain forms of prejudice because he feels they are not on the same level as each other due to cultural and social histories.
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Post by Pearl on Mar 19, 2017 3:44:13 GMT
While I vehemently disagree with his outlook on the world and find his conduct to be completely reprehensible, I do recognize and respect his contributions to one of my favorite game franchises, and wish him the best in his future endeavors.
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Post by adasirin on Mar 19, 2017 3:45:57 GMT
His racism is probably not going anywhere, but honestly I don't think people should give a fuck so long as he does a good job at developing. That's how I feel about him. I couldn't care less about your beliefs as long as you got the job done. Fine, but then that has to be the rule all of the time. White nationalists, anti-semites, whatever other horrible belief system — as long as you do your job, it's fine, right? A lot of people would have a problem with that. The basic point I'm trying to make is that there has to be some consistency. If something is bad (i.e. racism), then it's bad all the time, in all forms. Or, alternatively, if we're permissive and just let people have their fucked up beliefs, then we have to be consistent about it. And I don't think BioWare are about to hire any white nationalists or flagrant anti-semites any time soon. So I think the double standard is what bugs people the most.
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Post by Cannibal on Mar 19, 2017 3:48:42 GMT
He's openly racist and should have been fired 30 seconds after his first racist tweets.
If it was a white person they would have been gone in seconds, if the tweet was sexist(only if it was a man), or homophobic, even faster would they be gone.
But in the case of man veer he's applauded for his views.
Glad he's finally gone.
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Post by kaind on Mar 19, 2017 3:49:50 GMT
Fine, but then that has to be the rule all of the time. White nationalists, anti-semites, whatever other horrible belief system — as long as you do your job, it's fine, right? Right.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 19, 2017 3:53:09 GMT
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Post by adasirin on Mar 19, 2017 3:54:59 GMT
Fine, but then that has to be the rule all of the time. White nationalists, anti-semites, whatever other horrible belief system — as long as you do your job, it's fine, right? Right. Fair enough. I don't necessarily disagree with you. I pretty much believe in having a permissive society, on the whole. Maybe not quite to the degree that you do, but whatever. And I don't necessarily think Manveer should have been fired (if that's what happened), but at the same time I'm personally glad to see him go. But, like I said, BioWare won't be hiring any white nationalists any time soon. There are certain forms of prejudice that are more palatable and acceptable, and I think that's bullshit. So again, the main point I'm trying to make is that people/companies should at the very least be consistent. That's all.
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Post by kaind on Mar 19, 2017 3:56:20 GMT
He's openly racist and should have been fired 30 seconds after his first racist tweets. If it was a white person they would have been gone in seconds, if the tweet was sexist(only if it was a man), or homophobic, even faster would they be gone. But in the case of man veer he's applauded for his views. Glad he's finally gone. One day you might end up having an unpopular and / or controversial view, and then you will wish you would have fought for freedom to express that view and not for extending the strict policies to as many views as possible so that it would be fair.
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Post by kaind on Mar 19, 2017 3:57:22 GMT
So again, the main point I'm trying to make is that people/companies should at the very least be consistent. That's all. Yeah, would be nice.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 19, 2017 3:58:40 GMT
That's how I feel about him. I couldn't care less about your beliefs as long as you got the job done. Fine, but then that has to be the rule all of the time. White nationalists, anti-semites, whatever other horrible belief system — as long as you do your job, it's fine, right? A lot of people would have a problem with that. The basic point I'm trying to make is that there has to be some consistency. If something is bad (i.e. racism), then it's bad all the time, in all forms. Or, alternatively, if we're permissive and just let people have their fucked up beliefs, then we have to be consistent about it. And I don't think BioWare are about to hire any white nationalists or flagrant anti-semites any time soon. So I think the double standard is what bugs people the most. Honestly, that is my personal belief. I couldn't care less even if it is something I am opposed to because you are still doing your job. I also don't own Bioware or make their decisions, so I have no say in how they run their ship. Is it wrong about the double standards? Sure. My own beliefs though are that it's fine, and I am consistent with it.
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Post by adasirin on Mar 19, 2017 4:02:42 GMT
Fine, but then that has to be the rule all of the time. White nationalists, anti-semites, whatever other horrible belief system — as long as you do your job, it's fine, right? A lot of people would have a problem with that. The basic point I'm trying to make is that there has to be some consistency. If something is bad (i.e. racism), then it's bad all the time, in all forms. Or, alternatively, if we're permissive and just let people have their fucked up beliefs, then we have to be consistent about it. And I don't think BioWare are about to hire any white nationalists or flagrant anti-semites any time soon. So I think the double standard is what bugs people the most. Honestly, that is my personal belief. I couldn't care less even if it is something I am opposed to because you are still doing your job. I also don't own Bioware or make their decisions, so I have no say in how they run their ship. Is it wrong about the double standards? Sure. My own beliefs though are that it's fine, and I am consistent with it. Sure, that's fair. Sorry, I wasn't accusing you of not being consistent. I was just trying to point out that when some people see the Manveer situation at Bioware, they see a double standard. So if BioWare is a company that claims to be open and inclusive and one that doesn't tolerate racism or discrimination, then it should be consistent about it and hold someone like Manveer to the same set of rules and standards.
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Post by Jurus on Mar 19, 2017 4:13:04 GMT
His racism is probably not going anywhere, but honestly I don't think people should give a fuck so long as he does a good job at developing. That's how I feel about him. I couldn't care less about your beliefs as long as you got the job done. Everyone has the right to be an asshole. The problem in this case was that it once again showed the double standards in today's society. You see countless instances where comments like that are made about minorities instead of white people and the"offender" immediately faces scrutiny by their employer, is forced to apologise or suffers more severe consequences. At the very least, their employer or company/organisation associated with them condemns those views. But in this case they weren't only tolerated, they were embraced (Manveer tweeted to thank some Bioware higher ups for their support of him speaking up).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 4:27:14 GMT
Good riddance to that racist shitbag.
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Post by isaidlunch on Mar 19, 2017 4:37:11 GMT
I'm glad to hear it. Double standards are never okay.
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Post by ryerye17 on Mar 19, 2017 4:37:15 GMT
Here we go again. There is **no** discrimination against white men because white men have never -- by virtue of either skin color or genitalia -- been oppressed or stigmatized or denied jobs. White privilege is the idea that racism no longer exists, that minorities are more protected, until someone points it out to you.
Unpack his messages. White privilege is a very real thing, and so is representation by LGBT BIPOC, and so is cultural dominance and these are things we don't talk about because they make people uncomfortable.
As usual -- and as cliche as this may -- please CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE.
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