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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 2, 2018 7:31:27 GMT
opuspace Sylvia, Josephine's writer, left it ambiguous on purpose so that players could have the kind of relationship they wanted with Josephine. That way some players can have a sexual relationship, and others can have a platonic one. Both sides win. For example, I like to see it as a non-sexual relationship and the game supports that. So much so that Sylvia even said seeing Josephine as having an Asexual or Demisexual sexual orientation is a valid interpretation of her character. Someone even wrote a nice fanfic about her being this way.
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Post by opuspace on Apr 2, 2018 8:44:00 GMT
opuspace Sylvia, Josephine's writer, left it ambiguous on purpose so that players could have the kind of relationship they wanted with Josephine. That way some players can have a sexual relationship, and others can have a platonic one. Both sides win. For example, I like to see it as a non-sexual relationship and the game supports that. So much so that Sylvia even said seeing Josephine as having an Asexual or Demisexual sexual orientation is a valid interpretation of her character. Someone even wrote a nice fanfic about her being this way. It's not so much a choice if there's no way to discuss it and have the option to find out if Josephine is open to expressing affection more intimately. I really doubt Josephine falls under a demisexual or asexual category though if she's gawking at someone lustfully though.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 2, 2018 8:57:39 GMT
opuspace Sylvia, Josephine's writer, left it ambiguous on purpose so that players could have the kind of relationship they wanted with Josephine. That way some players can have a sexual relationship, and others can have a platonic one. Both sides win. For example, I like to see it as a non-sexual relationship and the game supports that. So much so that Sylvia even said seeing Josephine as having an Asexual or Demisexual sexual orientation is a valid interpretation of her character. Someone even wrote a nice fanfic about her being this way. It's not so much a choice if there's no way to discuss it and have the option to find out if Josephine is open to expressing affection more intimately. I really doubt Josephine falls under a demisexual or asexual category though if she's gawking at someone lustfully though. There is a dialogue option in the Arbor Wilds that can hint at sex if you choose it. Don't see why sex is the only way you can express affection intimately though. Well, the writer says she can be. Also arousal is not the same as attraction. People in the Ace Spectrum can experience arousal, it is just fleeting. You even see this in the scene you are referring to, when if you dump The Iron Bull he propositions Josephine she shakes her head as she walks away clearly not interested. Heck Cullen is more interested since he keeps looking over his shoulder as the three walk away, and he's straight.
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Post by opuspace on Apr 2, 2018 9:16:53 GMT
It's not so much a choice if there's no way to discuss it and have the option to find out if Josephine is open to expressing affection more intimately. I really doubt Josephine falls under a demisexual or asexual category though if she's gawking at someone lustfully though. There is a dialogue option in the Arbor Wilds that can hint at sex if you choose it. Don't see why sex is the only way you can have intimacy though. Well, the writer says she can be. Also arousal is not the same as attraction. People in the Ace Spectrum can experience arousal, it is just fleeting. You even see this in the scene you are referring to, when if you dump The Iron Bull he propositions Josephine she shakes her head as she walks away clearly not interested. Heck Cullen is more interested since he keeps looking over his shoulder as the three walk away, and he's straight. Never claimed sex is the only way. It's a significant part of people's lives though so to tiptoe around it without actually being able to confront the topic with her is rather frustrating. Not knowing her stance on the matter and whether she would prefer to wait or that it's even an issue is something that would have been helpful instead of deciding it without her. The ace spectrum is unfortunately vague for a lot of people. Not everyone wants to look and not everyone is going to be aroused. So what she's doing isn't relatable at all when she's gawking at someone else's boyfriend. Some things are too personal to take away from someone else so her interest in looking at someone's endowment took away any notion to me that she's an asexual or demisexual person herself. Hence why I wanted to have that conversation directly with her to know for certain.
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Post by vertigomez on Apr 2, 2018 11:44:00 GMT
Heck Cullen is more interested since he keeps looking over his shoulder as the three walk away, and he's straight. I lol'd. Cullen you cheeky bastard. 
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 7, 2018 19:05:11 GMT
There is a dialogue option in the Arbor Wilds that can hint at sex if you choose it. Don't see why sex is the only way you can have intimacy though. Well, the writer says she can be. Also arousal is not the same as attraction. People in the Ace Spectrum can experience arousal, it is just fleeting. You even see this in the scene you are referring to, when if you dump The Iron Bull he propositions Josephine she shakes her head as she walks away clearly not interested. Heck Cullen is more interested since he keeps looking over his shoulder as the three walk away, and he's straight. Never claimed sex is the only way. It's a significant part of people's lives though so to tiptoe around it without actually being able to confront the topic with her is rather frustrating. Not knowing her stance on the matter and whether she would prefer to wait or that it's even an issue is something that would have been helpful instead of deciding it without her. The ace spectrum is unfortunately vague for a lot of people. Not everyone wants to look and not everyone is going to be aroused. So what she's doing isn't relatable at all when she's gawking at someone else's boyfriend. Some things are too personal to take away from someone else so her interest in looking at someone's endowment took away any notion to me that she's an asexual or demisexual person herself. Hence why I wanted to have that conversation directly with her to know for certain. Oh, I agree I would love to have a character who is more explicit about being of those orientations. However Bioware doesn't seem to be at that point yet, either seeing the ambiguous romances or ones where sex is optional as enough for now or them wanting to do it but there being conflicting ideas on how that romance would be like. So for now, this is the best there is and I am thankful for it since Josephine is my favorite romance in Bioware history for many reasons.
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Post by opuspace on Apr 7, 2018 19:15:10 GMT
Never claimed sex is the only way. It's a significant part of people's lives though so to tiptoe around it without actually being able to confront the topic with her is rather frustrating. Not knowing her stance on the matter and whether she would prefer to wait or that it's even an issue is something that would have been helpful instead of deciding it without her. The ace spectrum is unfortunately vague for a lot of people. Not everyone wants to look and not everyone is going to be aroused. So what she's doing isn't relatable at all when she's gawking at someone else's boyfriend. Some things are too personal to take away from someone else so her interest in looking at someone's endowment took away any notion to me that she's an asexual or demisexual person herself. Hence why I wanted to have that conversation directly with her to know for certain. Oh, I agree I would love to have a character who is more explicit about being of those orientations. However Bioware doesn't seem to be at that point yet, either seeing the ambiguous romances or ones where sex is optional as enough for now or them wanting to do it but there being conflicting ideas on how that romance would be like. So for now, this is the best there is and I am thankful for it since Josephine is my favorite romance in Bioware history for many reasons. May you never know what it feels like then to have someone come on here to tell you that Josephine is a worthless waste of space.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 7, 2018 19:17:03 GMT
Oh, I agree I would love to have a character who is more explicit about being of those orientations. However Bioware doesn't seem to be at that point yet, either seeing the ambiguous romances or ones where sex is optional as enough for now or them wanting to do it but there being conflicting ideas on how that romance would be like. So for now, this is the best there is and I am thankful for it since Josephine is my favorite romance in Bioware history for many reasons. May you never know what it feels like then to have someone come on here to tell you that Josephine is a worthless waste of space. Oh, it's happened on the old BSN site a few times.
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Post by opuspace on Apr 7, 2018 19:18:08 GMT
May you never know what it feels like then to have someone come on here to tell you that Josephine is a worthless waste of space. Oh, it's happened on the old BSN site a few times. Frequent enough on her fan thread for it to be a seasonal expectation?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 7, 2018 19:19:27 GMT
Oh, it's happened on the old BSN site a few times. Frequent enough on her fan thread for it to be a seasonal expectation? Yeah, there were quite a few posters who hated her for various reasons, either as a character in general or just the romance and so on.
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Post by opuspace on Apr 7, 2018 19:25:04 GMT
Frequent enough on her fan thread for it to be a seasonal expectation? Yeah, there were quite a few posters who hated her for various reasons, either as a character in general or just the romance and so on. Then the least we can do ourselves is cease to perpetuate the behavior upon others.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 7, 2018 19:30:34 GMT
Yeah, there were quite a few posters who hated her for various reasons, either as a character in general or just the romance and so on. Then the least we can do ourselves is cease to perpetuate the behavior upon others. Why? Those people are entitled to express their opinion on a discussion thread, and as long as they're civil towards others about it there's no issue. Unlike say being passive aggressive and bringing in a grievance from another thread into a thread that has nothing to do with that one.
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Post by opuspace on Apr 7, 2018 19:32:54 GMT
Then the least we can do ourselves is cease to perpetuate the behavior upon others. Why? Those people are entitled to express their opinion on a discussion thread, and as long as they were civil towards others about it there was no issue. Unlike say being passive aggressive and bringing in a grievance from another thread into a thread that has nothing to do with that one. Sure, but if they don't respond to questions, there's no discussion, only venting and that can be seen as passive aggressive.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 7, 2018 19:36:52 GMT
Why? Those people are entitled to express their opinion on a discussion thread, and as long as they were civil towards others about it there was no issue. Unlike say being passive aggressive and bringing in a grievance from another thread into a thread that has nothing to do with that one. Sure, but if they don't respond to questions, there's no discussion, only venting and that can be seen as passive aggressive. Then such grievances should be brought up to that person in a PM, rather than again bringing it into a thread that has nothing to do with it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 7, 2018 19:40:03 GMT
Now then, back to Josephine: 
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Post by opuspace on Apr 7, 2018 19:40:53 GMT
Sure, but if they don't respond to questions, there's no discussion, only venting and that can be seen as passive aggressive. Then such grievances should be brought up to that person in a PM, rather than again bringing it into a thread that has nothing to do with it. Sure, if it's irrelevant to the topic on hand. As things are, we're straying from the topic of Josephine so let's end this for now.
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Post by vertigomez on May 21, 2018 22:59:08 GMT
Fanart spam.  Some Josieana Fancy Josephine Moar fancy Character study Good ol' Josiebela, I WANT THIS ON MY WALL 😍 Josie x Cadash smooching Josie x Lavellan, tea for two
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Post by Sifr on May 22, 2018 7:25:38 GMT
Fanart spam.  Great, now I ship Josieana and Josiebela! Also I take some exception to "fancy" and "moar fancy"... when is Josie ever not fancy? What would that even look like? Trying to picture this hypothetical "Grunge Josie" that's all scruffy and dressed down?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 22, 2018 22:37:40 GMT
Fanart spam.  Great, now I ship Josieana and Josiebela! Also I take some exception to "fancy" and "moar fancy"... when is Josie ever not fancy? What would that even look like? Trying to picture this hypothetical "Grunge Josie" that's all scruffy and dressed down? It is impossible for Josephine not to be fancy. If she puts on unfancy clothing, it immediately becomes the new fancy.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 22, 2018 22:40:53 GMT
I really like this one, seeing events both in the game (lol at the one with her and Yvette) as well as not like her in a bard's outfit playing music and singing.
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Post by Silvery on Jul 16, 2018 2:24:57 GMT
It's not so much a choice if there's no way to discuss it and have the option to find out if Josephine is open to expressing affection more intimately. I really doubt Josephine falls under a demisexual or asexual category though if she's gawking at someone lustfully though. There is a dialogue option in the Arbor Wilds that can hint at sex if you choose it. Don't see why sex is the only way you can express affection intimately though. Well, the writer says she can be. Also arousal is not the same as attraction. People in the Ace Spectrum can experience arousal, it is just fleeting. You even see this in the scene you are referring to, when if you dump The Iron Bull he propositions Josephine she shakes her head as she walks away clearly not interested. Heck Cullen is more interested since he keeps looking over his shoulder as the three walk away, and he's straight. I never knew Bull propositioned her like that. Never romanced or had a fling with him in any of my three playthroughs. I did watch the scene when I heard how funny it was back in the day but never saw the non-romance option that leads to that line. For anyone who wants to see it.
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