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Post by Hrungr on Mar 15, 2017 15:22:20 GMT
Mike Laidlaw @ PAX @mike_Laidlaw There's a new thing at work where I can be on the wifi but still hooked up to all the core work network stuff without VPN. Gamechanger.
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Post by Hrungr on Mar 15, 2017 20:53:58 GMT
Jessica @mizchevious136 @mike_Laidlaw Hi! We had a question - is there a significance to the way the Qunari symbols are depicted? pbs.twimg.com/media/C6-c4qeU8AE63Uq.jpg Mike Laidlaw @ PAX @mike_LaidlawNot that I'm aware of, but I believe the left one is the "proper" orientation, as it's house of tides and those are waves.
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Vic!!!!!! @bloodwritSneaky witch thief #dragonage i.imgur.com/sZQ6sR8.gif Mike Laidlaw @ PAX @mike_Laidlaw Nice! Just enough sass.
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Vic!!!!!! @bloodwritSneaky witch thief #dragonage i.imgur.com/sZQ6sR8.gif Mike Laidlaw @ PAX @mike_Laidlaw Nice! Just enough sass.
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Tim Smith @torlack In honor of recent BioWare events...
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Oz Mills @ozmillsOh! I got a replica of Aveline's sword made to go in the field alongside the Templar shield at a Dragon Age LARP pbs.twimg.com/media/C6_zPSnWgAA3Ozq.jpg Lawfer Belnus @lawferbelnus how do you guys feel about making such replicas, or those from steel? not for sale but as keepsakes? Mike Laidlaw @ PAX @mike_LaidlawIf you’re not selling it, it’s no business of ours. The problem is selling stuff using our brand/trademarks.
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Kendra @klgreen19 Are vampires possible in the realm of Dragon Age? If so, would it be a magic thing, a disease thing, or something else? Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesWe did werewolves, so I don't see why not. We could add them as demons, cursed folks like werewolves, or something new.
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 16, 2017 3:41:19 GMT
Kendra @klgreen19 Are vampires possible in the realm of Dragon Age? If so, would it be a magic thing, a disease thing, or something else? Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesWe did werewolves, so I don't see why not. We could add them as demons, cursed folks like werewolves, or something new. I think Patrick forgot that vampires are already a thing, at least in the codex. They're mentioned as a consequence of hunger demon possession.
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Post by phoray on Mar 16, 2017 6:42:51 GMT
its a bit long and it's a tired subjective argument, but now that I've actually played both TW3 and ME, I'm excited to have an informed opinion. See, and I found Sheperd to be so surpremely bland I had trouble playing. I actually gave up on the series then gave it a second shot. Even finishing, my lost thoughts were, "I was never the funny person in the room, and I disliked that." Also, coming to the series so late, I feel like fan-writer interactions were forced on me. Why was my Shepherd dancing badly at the party while everyone laughed and made jokes at her expense when she could totally dance at the Bar on the Citadel? Why does my character have to have this flaw forced on them? Why is Garrus and Liara pushed as the best friend when I barely know them?
Then Geralt. What if I thought Ciri sucked? What f I hated her? And there my protagonist is doing all his crap just to find her to help prevent the apocalypse (Actually, I liked Ciri and everything she did except for one line at the end was really mean.) But that's coincidental. They could have just as well failed at making Ciri likeable to enough players. I had major problems figuring out who I was supposed to be playing. Me as Geralt or Geralt as I perceived him to be from the Media. Even when I've totally not been playing NEUTRAL, Djikstra still expected me to let him slaughter Roche.
I have been surpremely satisfied with both my stereo typical heros, my reluctant heros, and my Evil-just- happened to SAVE the world accidentally Protagonists of the DA series and nothing but frustrated with these other established characters. I have to conform my expectations around then to feel like they're mine. (Okay. The world says so, so now I must accept that I'm a bad dancer. Character adjustment achieved, roleplaying freedom decreased.)
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Post by IllustriousT on Mar 16, 2017 17:10:14 GMT
its a bit long and it's a tired subjective argument, but now that I've actually played both TW3 and ME, I'm excited to have an informed opinion. See, and I found Sheperd to be so surpremely bland I had trouble playing. I actually gave up on the series then gave it a second shot. Even finishing, my lost thoughts were, "I was never the funny person in the room, and I disliked that." Also, coming to the series so late, I feel like fan-writer interactions were forced on me. Why was my Shepherd dancing badly at the party while everyone laughed and made jokes at her expense when she could totally dance at the Bar on the Citadel? Why does my character have to have this flaw forced on them? Why is Garrus and Liara pushed as the best friend when I barely know them?
Then Geralt. What if I thought Ciri sucked? What f I hated her? And there my protagonist is doing all his crap just to find her to help prevent the apocalypse (Actually, I liked Ciri and everything she did except for one line at the end was really mean.) But that's coincidental. They could have just as well failed at making Ciri likeable to enough players. I had major problems figuring out who I was supposed to be playing. Me as Geralt or Geralt as I perceived him to be from the Media. Even when I've totally not been playing NEUTRAL, Djikstra still expected me to let him slaughter Roche.
I have been surpremely satisfied with both my stereo typical heros, my reluctant heros, and my Evil-just- happened to SAVE the world accidentally Protagonists of the DA series and nothing but frustrated with these other established characters. I have to conform my expectations around then to feel like they're mine. (Okay. The world says so, so now I must accept that I'm a bad dancer. Character adjustment achieved, roleplaying freedom decreased.)
In my case, I equally enjoy both. I also tend to consume external media as well. I played Witcher 1, 2, and read the books. So, when I began to play W3, I didn't self insert...I felt more like I was accompanying him on a journey, and based on how I thought HE should feel...I made judgments. Mass Effect lent me a little more freedom, Aloy in HZD is pretty stuck in her ways while still being a bit of a "blank slate." The author mentioned FFXV, and I agree with her, that Noctis was a bit empty despite having a story, but I cared about the Bros immensely. Still all of them were enjoyable...I have fond memories of that time Geralt took over that bandit camp...or when "I" killed all darkspawn and romanced that elf guy - whatever his name was. See...I forget when I don't get new DA stuff!
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 16, 2017 19:19:08 GMT
I'm interested to see the response to this from people here. The author comes down on the side that most of the people here are against, lol. Interesting that the author didn't even touch on voice vs. unvoiced. I wonder if the best thing to do is just make this issue be the defining feature of one subgenre over another? Stop calling things like The Witcher and Mass Effect "Action RPG", that just muddies the water. Reserve RPG for, you know, roleplaying, where the character is a blank canvas that you paint to your specification. Everything else is an Action X game, where X is Fantasy, SF, Modern, Superhero, post apocalypse, whatever. Or maybe Action Inventory game, since that seems to be another thing people attribute to RPGs (IMO, wrongly). Interesting that DAI seems to fit neither definition! Too much player agency is sacrificed to story to make it a full-fledged RPG, and not enough oomph is put into the character to make them stand up to a Geralt or Shepard in an Action X game. It's a quasi-RPG game.
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Post by IllustriousT on Mar 16, 2017 19:33:18 GMT
I'm interested to see the response to this from people here. The author comes down on the side that most of the people here are against, lol. Interesting that the author didn't even touch on voice vs. unvoiced. I wonder if the best thing to do is just make this issue be the defining feature of one subgenre over another? Stop calling things like The Witcher and Mass Effect "Action RPG", that just muddies the water. Reserve RPG for, you know, roleplaying, where the character is a blank canvas that you paint to your specification. Everything else is an Action X game, where X is Fantasy, SF, Modern, Superhero, post apocalypse, whatever. Or maybe Action Inventory game, since that seems to be another thing people attribute to RPGs (IMO, wrongly). Interesting that DAI seems to fit neither definition! Too much player agency is sacrificed to story to make it a full-fledged RPG, and not enough oomph is put into the character to make them stand up to a Geralt or Shepard in an Action X game. It's a quasi-RPG game. Well, it seems just putting some letter in front of RPG helps define it. JRPG, ARPG, CRPG...so, I am sure an expansion on that will surely come. Yet, to be fair...when you are playing a character, any character, you are playing that role, blank or not, silent or voiced. I guess it simply is semantics and what it means to you. My son swears the Zelda games are RPGs because he plays the role of Link who has only the voice you give him, yet...the structure of the game - no skill trees, etc, create a Action-Adventure game. Yet, it is SO close! I guess there is a reason when you look at the games on Steam they have a whole lot of "tags" associated with them.
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Post by Hrungr on Mar 16, 2017 19:36:24 GMT
I'm interested to see the response to this from people here. The author comes down on the side that most of the people here are against, lol. Interesting that the author didn't even touch on voice vs. unvoiced. I wonder if the best thing to do is just make this issue be the defining feature of one subgenre over another? Stop calling things like The Witcher and Mass Effect "Action RPG", that just muddies the water. Reserve RPG for, you know, roleplaying, where the character is a blank canvas that you paint to your specification. Everything else is an Action X game, where X is Fantasy, SF, Modern, Superhero, post apocalypse, whatever. Or maybe Action Inventory game, since that seems to be another thing people attribute to RPGs (IMO, wrongly). Interesting that DAI seems to fit neither definition! Too much player agency is sacrificed to story to make it a full-fledged RPG, and not enough oomph is put into the character to make them stand up to a Geralt or Shepard in an Action X game. It's a quasi-RPG game. I've always got time for this topic. Time for new thread...?
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Post by Hrungr on Mar 16, 2017 19:57:20 GMT
shiniebezial sejic @stjepansejicalso on a not so unrelated topic, watching my wife play a city elf in original dragon age was a thing of beauty XD Mike Laidlaw @ PAX @mike_Laidlaw*snicker*
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 16, 2017 20:22:01 GMT
Just been reading the academic paper about how Dragon Age uses Christian Mythology and it brought up something about Shartan that has bugged me ever since I saw it stated on the Wiki as fact. Namely, the idea that Shartan and Andraste were lovers. This appears nowhere except in the novel Masked Empire and I always took it that it was purely an allegorical play criticising Celene, not that anyone actually believed Andraste was ever the lover of Shartan. It has certainly never been suggested in any other lore book or codex, nor is their any hint of such a relationship in the actual Canticle of Shartan.
I always thought the play was insulting enough to Andraste by simply using her for a bit of cheap political propaganda and was surprised that there wasn't a greater backlash against Gaspard for doing so. So was the reason he got away with it the fact that everyone took it as accepted that there was this scandalous belief about the relationship between the two of them? What seemed even stranger about people ignoring Gaspard's use of Andraste was that he had encouraged scholars to simultaneously declare that anyone who had sexual relations with an elf was really guilty of bestiality. So on the face of it he was really dragging Andraste's reputation through the mud along with Celene.
So whilst I find the academic paper fascinating, it seems to me that the parallel between Shartan and Mary Magdalene is a non starter because there is no evidence for it apart from that infamous play in Masked Empire. Have any of the writers stated something different with regard to this?
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Post by Willa on Mar 16, 2017 21:57:20 GMT
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Post by Rascoth on Mar 16, 2017 21:58:24 GMT
Has it been confirmed that they are working on Dragon age 4? Or just rumours? Nothing confirmed.
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Post by Gilli on Mar 16, 2017 22:22:55 GMT
I'm interested to see the response to this from people here. The author comes down on the side that most of the people here are against, lol. Interesting that the author didn't even touch on voice vs. unvoiced. I wonder if the best thing to do is just make this issue be the defining feature of one subgenre over another? Stop calling things like The Witcher and Mass Effect "Action RPG", that just muddies the water. Reserve RPG for, you know, roleplaying, where the character is a blank canvas that you paint to your specification. Everything else is an Action X game, where X is Fantasy, SF, Modern, Superhero, post apocalypse, whatever. Or maybe Action Inventory game, since that seems to be another thing people attribute to RPGs (IMO, wrongly). Interesting that DAI seems to fit neither definition! Too much player agency is sacrificed to story to make it a full-fledged RPG, and not enough oomph is put into the character to make them stand up to a Geralt or Shepard in an Action X game. It's a quasi-RPG game. Well, it seems just putting some letter in front of RPG helps define it. JRPG, ARPG, CRPG...so, I am sure an expansion on that will surely come. Yet, to be fair...when you are playing a character, any character, you are playing that role, blank or not, silent or voiced. I guess it simply is semantics and what it means to you. My son swears the Zelda games are RPGs because he plays the role of Link who has only the voice you give him, yet...the structure of the game - no skill trees, etc, create a Action-Adventure game. Yet, it is SO close! I guess there is a reason when you look at the games on Steam they have a whole lot of "tags" associated with them. I so agree with you. Hell, until this year I myself believed that Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time was an RPG. I literally went "What do you mean, it's not an RPG?" when I learned that it theoretically isn't one. I didn't, until some time ago, even know that there were different terms/names for RPGs and still don't know what some of them mean. (ofc JRPG means an RPG from Japan, but ARPG? CRPG? American? Chinese? ) For me, if I play a role in the story of a game = RPG I was playing some Sherlock Holmes games on Steam, IMO they were Puzzle RPGs because you played either as Sherlock Holmes, or Doctor Watson and well, solved puzzles. Yet Wikipedia lists the tags: Adventure, open world, stealth
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Mar 16, 2017 23:22:58 GMT
Well, it seems just putting some letter in front of RPG helps define it. JRPG, ARPG, CRPG...so, I am sure an expansion on that will surely come. Yet, to be fair...when you are playing a character, any character, you are playing that role, blank or not, silent or voiced. I guess it simply is semantics and what it means to you. My son swears the Zelda games are RPGs because he plays the role of Link who has only the voice you give him, yet...the structure of the game - no skill trees, etc, create a Action-Adventure game. Yet, it is SO close! I guess there is a reason when you look at the games on Steam they have a whole lot of "tags" associated with them. I so agree with you. Hell, until this year I myself believed that Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time was an RPG. I literally went "What do you mean, it's not an RPG?" when I learned that it theoretically isn't one. I didn't, until some time ago, even know that there were different terms/names for RPGs and still don't know what some of them mean. (ofc JRPG means an RPG from Japan, but ARPG? CRPG? American? Chinese? ) For me, if I play a role in the story of a game = RPG I was playing some Sherlock Holmes games on Steam, IMO they were Puzzle RPGs because you played either as Sherlock Holmes, or Doctor Watson and well, solved puzzles. Yet Wikipedia lists the tags: Adventure, open world, stealth ARPG - Action RPG - Uncharted/Batman: Arkham/Witcher (all of those are 'in my opinion') CRPG - Computer RPG - Baldurs Gate/Pillars of Eternity At least, that's what I've always thought. There's no manual for this stuff that I've discovered.
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Post by Awkward Octopus on Mar 16, 2017 23:25:20 GMT
Determining the genre of a game by its mechanics is weird, anyway. At least in my opinion.
The way game genres are now is not actually very helpful in figuring out whether you might like a game or not. It could actually be harmful - if you define Portal as an FPS, which is technically correct, you're going to dissuade all the people who dislike games like Halo or CoD. If you define it as a puzzle game, you're going to dissuade people who assume puzzle games are all Bejeweled clones.
And then you get weird, nebulous phrases like "RPG Elements." Like, what is that even supposed to mean? Leveling? Skill trees? Why is that exclusive to RPGs? And what about all the "RPGs" that don't have those things?
That said, it's not totally useless either. I tend to lean towards RPGs and action/adventure titles, and away from fighting games and FPS, so it's good to have those categories to narrow my searches for games. And yet if you ask me what my favorite game is, I'll probably tell you Portal. So.
It's all weird.
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