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Post by Hrungr on Mar 16, 2017 23:35:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 23:55:40 GMT
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Post by Gilli on Mar 17, 2017 0:15:17 GMT
I so agree with you. Hell, until this year I myself believed that Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time was an RPG. I literally went "What do you mean, it's not an RPG?" when I learned that it theoretically isn't one. I didn't, until some time ago, even know that there were different terms/names for RPGs and still don't know what some of them mean. (ofc JRPG means an RPG from Japan, but ARPG? CRPG? American? Chinese? ) For me, if I play a role in the story of a game = RPG I was playing some Sherlock Holmes games on Steam, IMO they were Puzzle RPGs because you played either as Sherlock Holmes, or Doctor Watson and well, solved puzzles. Yet Wikipedia lists the tags: Adventure, open world, stealth ARPG - Action RPG - Uncharted/Batman: Arkham/Witcher (all of those are 'in my opinion') CRPG - Computer RPG - Baldurs Gate/Pillars of Eternity At least, that's what I've always thought. There's no manual for this stuff that I've discovered. Ah, interesting Idk as what I'd classify the Batman Arkham series. It "kinda" is an Action RPG, but the camera placement reminds me of Mass Effect (which is a shooter/RPG?), with it being over my right shoulder. Oh how I hate that big blind spot, AKA my body, on the screen. (it isn't that bad with Shepard, they use up less space on the screen than Bats ) Determining the genre of a game by its mechanics is weird, anyway. At least in my opinion. The way game genres are now is not actually very helpful in figuring out whether you might like a game or not. It could actually be harmful - if you define Portal as an FPS, which is technically correct, you're going to dissuade all the people who dislike games like Halo or CoD. If you define it as a puzzle game, you're going to dissuade people who assume puzzle games are all Bejeweled clones. And then you get weird, nebulous phrases like "RPG Elements." Like, what is that even supposed to mean? Leveling? Skill trees? Why is that exclusive to RPGs? And what about all the "RPGs" that don't have those things? That said, it's not totally useless either. I tend to lean towards RPGs and action/adventure titles, and away from fighting games and FPS, so it's good to have those categories to narrow my searches for games. And yet if you ask me what my favorite game is, I'll probably tell you Portal. So. It's all weird. Oh yes, I agree. By that definition Mirror's Edge would be a FPS too, it's in in First Person and you can shoot people, but it isn't a shooter per se, so??? Same, I have no idea what people mean with that. Thinking about it, those "RPG Elements" would make both Soul Calibur III and Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood (PSP) RPGs. In Soul Calibur III you can create your own character and play through an, I think it's called, "Epic" mode with it. You still only beat up enemies in a ring kinda stage, but at the same time you play through a story. Same with the FMAB game, it's a Beat'em Up like Soul Calibur, but you replay important fights of the FMAB anime with different characters and can unlock other charas to replay their part of the story. *still pisssed off that Greed doesn't have a story mode* Sounds very RPG-like to me. My game preferences are all over the place, I love RPGs (Final Fantasy, Dragon Age, Skyrim) but also Jump'n Runs (Super Mario, Rayman), Beat'em Ups (Soul Calibur, diverse anime Beat'em Ups), Puzzles (Sherlock Holmes, but also Bejeweled and Hidden Object games in general). I always thought I would "hate" Shooters and would "never" play an FPS, but now when I play Skyrim I mostly play in first person. I also enjoy play Mass Effect, even tho it's a Shooter *cough*RPG*cough*. In short: I agree.
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Post by Avejajed on Mar 17, 2017 1:41:35 GMT
I hate set protagonists because they are so very rarely female. I'm a girl. I wanna play a girl, damn it. And not some hypersexualized anime girl with big boobs and no clothes. They did Hawke personality wise excellently for both male and female, I think. Fleshed out character that was set but let you have some say in her personality and looks.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Mar 17, 2017 4:06:25 GMT
ARPG - Action RPG - Uncharted/Batman: Arkham/Witcher (all of those are 'in my opinion') CRPG - Computer RPG - Baldurs Gate/Pillars of Eternity At least, that's what I've always thought. There's no manual for this stuff that I've discovered. Ah, interesting Idk as what I'd classify the Batman Arkham series. It "kinda" is an Action RPG, but the camera placement reminds me of Mass Effect (which is a shooter/RPG?), with it being over my right shoulder. Oh how I hate that big blind spot, AKA my body, on the screen. (it isn't that bad with Shepard, they use up less space on the screen than Bats ) Batman:Arkham could quite fairly be stripped of the rpg and be considered a straight action game. The camera zooms out though during combat, so you're not really missing anything.
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Post by Bondari the Reloader on Mar 17, 2017 4:47:29 GMT
This was an interesting read. As a religious person, I like to play RPGs where my character has a clearly defined faith. It's one of the many reasons I tend to play clerics in D&D games. I appreciate the care the writers took to fleshing out Andrastianism and the other religions of Dragon Age, and I like spotting parallels to Christianity and other world religions and mythologies. I know this is an issue people have complained about in the past, particularly regarding being forced to be Andrastian as Hawke, but I think it adds a lot of depth to the world and also to the player character. To bring in the discussion of how defined a player character should be, I think that these fictional religions are wonderful additions to the world, as long as they aren't forced on the PC.
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Post by Zemgus on Mar 17, 2017 11:42:16 GMT
This was an interesting read. As a religious person, I like to play RPGs where my character has a clearly defined faith. It's one of the many reasons I tend to play clerics in D&D games. I appreciate the care the writers took to fleshing out Andrastianism and the other religions of Dragon Age, and I like spotting parallels to Christianity and other world religions and mythologies. I know this is an issue people have complained about in the past, particularly regarding being forced to be Andrastian as Hawke, but I think it adds a lot of depth to the world and also to the player character. To bring in the discussion of how defined a player character should be, I think that these fictional religions are wonderful additions to the world, as long as they aren't forced on the PC. I don't now how many games there are that deal with the question of faith, but it's something I've always liked about Dragon Age. I appreciate that it's never really forced on you. I certainly didn't feel like it was forced on Hawke. I mean it's safe to assume he is andrastian considering where he was born and who his parents were, but whether he believes or not was totally up to the player to decide. That said I would like in some future game to play a human character who isn't andrastian. Maybe if we go to Tevinter our character could worship the Old Gods or we could have a character of Avvar origin who believes in their gods, instead? I would like that.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 17, 2017 12:14:27 GMT
^ The primary religion of Tevinter is Andrastianism. Worship of the Old Gods seems to be considered aberrant and cultish. That's not to say that it's not a valid choice for a player's roleplay, but to me it would be akin to offering the player choices to roleplay a Scientologist or something. They can't give options for everything.
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Post by Zemgus on Mar 17, 2017 12:24:50 GMT
^ The primary religion of Tevinter is Andrastianism. Worship of the Old Gods seems to be considered aberrant and cultish. That's not to say that it's not a valid choice for a player's roleplay, but to me it would be akin to offering the player choices to roleplay a Scientologist or something. They can't give options for everything. I wouldn't be surprised if it's still very much relevant in certain parts of Tevinter.
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Post by pdusen on Mar 17, 2017 12:29:47 GMT
Reserve RPG for, you know, roleplaying, where the character is a blank canvas that you paint to your specification. Sure, that could work, if that were the definition of roleplaying, but it's not. Roleplaying is using words and actions from the perspective of a character that you're controlling. There's no requirement that the character be one that you created; even tabletop games have premade characters for you to play.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 17, 2017 12:55:51 GMT
That is the broad definition of roleplaying as an act. Kinky couples playing dress up for their sexy times are engaging in roleplay, but they are not playing a Role Playing Game.
Different players have different views on what makes a Role Playing Game. For example, even though I like mowing things down, I really don't care at all about the combat aspect of it, while other players definitely do consider combat, putting in skill points, arranging tactics, and so on, to be KEY parts of the RPG experience; if these things are watered down, as in DAI, then it's not a true RPG for those players. This is why some players consider DAO to be the most RPG-like out of all the DA games.
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Post by Gilli on Mar 17, 2017 13:55:32 GMT
Ah, interesting Idk as what I'd classify the Batman Arkham series. It "kinda" is an Action RPG, but the camera placement reminds me of Mass Effect (which is a shooter/RPG?), with it being over my right shoulder. Oh how I hate that big blind spot, AKA my body, on the screen. (it isn't that bad with Shepard, they use up less space on the screen than Bats ) Batman:Arkham could quite fairly be stripped of the rpg and be considered a straight action game. The camera zooms out though during combat, so you're not really missing anything. I agree. I don't care about the camera zoom out in combat, it's the constant over the shoulder view, when I'm standing on top of a roof and want to look around that annoys me. Like, I'm trying to plan my jump down onto another roof/villain/whatever and in my head I go /Ugh Bats, go out of the way, I can't see!/
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Post by Hrungr on Mar 17, 2017 14:52:43 GMT
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Post by Gilli on Mar 17, 2017 15:44:09 GMT
Hrungr Mike Laidlaw likes puns, right? *has one for him*
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Post by Hrungr on Mar 17, 2017 15:57:15 GMT
Hrungr Mike Laidlaw liked puns, right? *has one for him* Mike like puns?? He's like a bottomless well of bad dad jokes... Yeah, if you got one, send it his way... he deserves a taste of his own medicine.
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Post by Gilli on Mar 17, 2017 15:58:38 GMT
Hrungr Mike Laidlaw liked puns, right? *has one for him* Mike like puns?? He's like a bottomless well of bad dad jokes... Yeah, if you got one, send it his way... he deserves a taste of his own medicine. Oh yes, I got one. I like it, made it up myself.
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Post by Gilli on Mar 17, 2017 16:17:19 GMT
Sabrina Gilli _chan @mike_Laidlaw I heard you like puns 😁 Anders ist anders, als andere Magier. (Anders is different, then other mages) Mike Laidlaw @ PAX @mike_Laidlaw Gilli _chan Oh nice!
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Post by Hrungr on Mar 17, 2017 18:26:55 GMT
Steven Crowe @crowecomics @mike_Laidlaw how does one go about sending a care package to the bioware team?? Mike Laidlaw @ PAX @mike_LaidlawOh cool!Our address is on our website, and the folks that worked on DA are in Edmonton. (Bottom here: www.bioware.com/en/about/ )
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 17, 2017 19:09:50 GMT
I'm interested to see the response to this from people here. The author comes down on the side that most of the people here are against, lol. Interesting that the author didn't even touch on voice vs. unvoiced. I wonder if the best thing to do is just make this issue be the defining feature of one subgenre over another? Stop calling things like The Witcher and Mass Effect "Action RPG", that just muddies the water. Reserve RPG for, you know, roleplaying, where the character is a blank canvas that you paint to your specification. Everything else is an Action X game, where X is Fantasy, SF, Modern, Superhero, post apocalypse, whatever. Or maybe Action Inventory game, since that seems to be another thing people attribute to RPGs (IMO, wrongly). Interesting that DAI seems to fit neither definition! Too much player agency is sacrificed to story to make it a full-fledged RPG, and not enough oomph is put into the character to make them stand up to a Geralt or Shepard in an Action X game. It's a quasi-RPG game. Well, it seems just putting some letter in front of RPG helps define it. JRPG, ARPG, CRPG...so, I am sure an expansion on that will surely come. Yet, to be fair...when you are playing a character, any character, you are playing that role, blank or not, silent or voiced. I guess it simply is semantics and what it means to you. My son swears the Zelda games are RPGs because he plays the role of Link who has only the voice you give him, yet...the structure of the game - no skill trees, etc, create a Action-Adventure game. Yet, it is SO close! I guess there is a reason when you look at the games on Steam they have a whole lot of "tags" associated with them. I mostly agree. It's true that "role" has a semantic issue. It's almost the wrong word. Player agency is much more accurate, but only game design nerds use that term. To me, roleplying should be reserved for games where you both write the role and act in the role. If you are only acting it, and someone else (the game) is the writer and director, it's not roleplaying. It's something else that we don't have a good word for, but I've taken to calling Nathan Drakeing or Lara Crofting or Sheparding. Lacking a good word, I resort to exemplars.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 17, 2017 19:11:11 GMT
Uh, isn't that a do-my-homework-for-me site?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 17, 2017 19:15:33 GMT
Reserve RPG for, you know, roleplaying, where the character is a blank canvas that you paint to your specification. Sure, that could work, if that were the definition of roleplaying, but it's not. Roleplaying is using words and actions from the perspective of a character that you're controlling. There's no requirement that the character be one that you created; even tabletop games have premade characters for you to play. Which is the semantic issue I mentioned. I mean, what you are describing covers all of acting. Movies, TV, on stage. If you are using roleplaying to mean acting, why not just say acting?
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Post by Gilli on Mar 17, 2017 19:17:50 GMT
Kang Jun Lang-康俊朗 @kjltaiwan@patrickweekes Did you write for the new Mass Effect at all? Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesNope. I stayed on the Dragon Age team. I'm looking forward to playing this one as a fan. GRRRR:DarthMamaShark @grrrr_shark @patrickweekes So there's a dragon age team, eh? *swoons and ducks simultaneously*
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Steven Crowe @crowecomics @mike_Laidlaw how does one go about sending a care package to the bioware team?? Mike Laidlaw @ PAX @mike_LaidlawOh cool!Our address is on our website, and the folks that worked on DA are in Edmonton. (Bottom here: www.bioware.com/en/about/ ) B) I don't recognize some of the characters on the left side of the poster. Are the DA:O DLCS? Like the guy who stands between Nathaniel and Velanna? Someone in a purple robe below it?
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Post by Gilli on Mar 17, 2017 19:22:45 GMT
Steven Crowe @crowecomics @mike_Laidlaw how does one go about sending a care package to the bioware team?? Mike Laidlaw @ PAX @mike_LaidlawOh cool!Our address is on our website, and the folks that worked on DA are in Edmonton. (Bottom here: www.bioware.com/en/about/ ) I don't recognize some of the characters on the left side of the poster. Are the DA:O DLCS? Like the guy who stands between Nathaniel and Velanna? Someone in a purple robe below it? The girl between Nathanial and Velanna is Sigrun, the guy in the purple robes is Loghain.
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