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Post by midnight tea on Apr 2, 2017 20:20:12 GMT
In such cases the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle - in other words no; the Dreamers are not all-powerful demigods who can see everything from the Fade and direct spirit hordes to do their bidding, but they're also not powerless or just in some sort of spiritual stasis. Although there's one thing that we have take into account - we don't know how much the Veil affects Dreamers and their ability to observe/affect the world.
Obviously there's enough information seeping through for Solas to learn a language - but gleaning troop numbers and their position in real time? Seems unlikely.
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 2, 2017 21:19:13 GMT
user Hey Mike, is there anything in Inquistion we should pay attention thought if Dragon Age 4 was a thing.
Mike Laidlaw @mike_Laidlaw As a general rule, we try to make most of the weird stuff matter eventually.
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Post by Tittus on Apr 2, 2017 22:32:05 GMT
UserHow did Solas learn Qunlat? @mike_Laidlaw @bioware @patrickweekes Patrick WeekesBeing stuck Observer Mode in the Fade for a few centuries gives you a lot of time to pick up new skills. Holy F--K! Did PW just confirm a detail of lore that has been debated ferociously for years? How can someone in "a slumber" (Solas's words, which we assume means uthenera) be in "observer mode for centuries"? Wouldn't the elves go mad if they were conscious for all those centuries? Is uthenera not the suspended animation we assumed? Or was Solas not in uthenera? If Solas were conscious and an observer, it would neatly fill a plot hole in The Masked Empire, particularly if Solas could not only observe the material world, but effect it as well. Effect it enough to punish someone ... I'm not very familiar with all Dragon Age concepts, as I just play the game and don't read the codices too much, but Solas telling all the events that he witnessed, such as the blights, isn't already a confirmation that he was always conscious? I don't see how something so trivial could generate any discussion at all.
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 2, 2017 22:38:42 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes In office to hash out something I didn't want sitting on my brain making sleep impossible. Wooo occasional down side of hyperfocus!
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 2, 2017 22:39:55 GMT
user Can you imagine being @patrickweekes? In charge of all that lore? I'd rather shoot myself in the foot.
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes Lore is easy. Word count budgets are terrifying.
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Post by rapscallioness on Apr 3, 2017 1:07:41 GMT
Sooo.....how 'bout dat Dragon Age 4?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 1:50:48 GMT
I want Dragon Age 4! So do you think they are working on it? The more they dodge the question, the more certain i am of it already being in production. E3 this year, yes!?
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Apr 3, 2017 2:34:41 GMT
userHey Mike, is there anything in Inquistion we should pay attention thought if Dragon Age 4 was a thing. Mike Laidlaw @mike_LaidlawAs a general rule, we try to make most of the weird stuff matter eventually. That's going to start a mad hunt for weird stuff.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Apr 3, 2017 2:48:00 GMT
Holy F--K! Did PW just confirm a detail of lore that has been debated ferociously for years? How can someone in "a slumber" (Solas's words, which we assume means uthenera) be in "observer mode for centuries"? Wouldn't the elves go mad if they were conscious for all those centuries? Is uthenera not the suspended animation we assumed? Or was Solas not in uthenera? If Solas were conscious and an observer, it would neatly fill a plot hole in The Masked Empire, particularly if Solas could not only observe the material world, but effect it as well. Effect it enough to punish someone ... Isn't that the whole point of uthenera - that the mind wanders the Fade awake and aware, just observing and gathering wisdom Yes, but I took that to mean observing in the Fade, not the material world. And that could be time compressed. A century in the material world could be just an hour in the Fade. No danger to sanity that way. And time compression/dilation is confirmed in Champions of the Just -- assuming the possession/dream sequence is in the Fade. But maybe I'm reading too much into it. He didn't say anything about the material world, just about learning Qunlat in the Fade. I suppose spirits could take the form of Qunari? Or find How to Speak Qunlat in a Fade library? I suppose a spirit of Wisdom could spend a lot of time learning different languages and be willing to share that knowledge with a sleeper. Sigh, now I'm talking myself out of it and we're back to having a plot hole in the Masked Empire.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Apr 3, 2017 2:48:45 GMT
It should be noted that during that conversation ... ... Mihris is possessed by Imshael. It's not clear how much she says can be trusted. Yeah, that was my read. I discounted it 100%. Though I guess to be fair, I should have counted that as some kind of potential evidence, even if suspect.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Apr 3, 2017 2:59:27 GMT
What an elf could do in uthenera was actually hinted at in Masked Empire. Felassan regrets finding the ancient elf dead since "This one could have helped". (Though I wonder exactly what help he was meaning). Then Briala says: "How?......What would they say beyond wishing us luck in the alienages?" At this point Mihris says "You know nothing. From the Fade the ancients could see our whole world. They could see where our enemies would be, and in what number. Where the Veil was thin, they could send spirits to do their bidding and help us." Felassan then mocks this idea, first by exaggerating what they could do. "They could kill their enemies as they slept." (Although apparently this is exactly what Dreamers could do, human and elf). "They could grant wishes to dreamers whose souls were pure." Then disparaging the idea: "Or they could lie there and do nothing except inspire overly romantic Dalish folktales." Followed by smirk of derision. However, I think it was a case that he had originally let slip something that he regretted because Mihris was actually very close to the truth (as in fact the Dalish often are), so he had to save face by his usual put down. Since PW wrote the Masked Empire, I assume this lies behind his assertion about Solas. I suppose it could also be that the denouement of Masked Empire is confirmation of exactly what "Mihris" was saying. If there was a thinning of the Veil at the meeting place and You Know Who got a spirit of Vengeance or whatnot to go do some punishment. Bah! Too many dots left for us to connect.
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Post by rapscallioness on Apr 3, 2017 3:00:26 GMT
I want Dragon Age 4! So do you think they are working on it? The more they dodge the question, the more certain i am of it already being in production. E3 this year, yes!? I think they're definitely working on it. Although, I won't feel comfortable until it's really, really confirmed. Because you never know.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Apr 3, 2017 3:02:10 GMT
userHey Mike, is there anything in Inquistion we should pay attention thought if Dragon Age 4 was a thing. Mike Laidlaw @mike_LaidlawAs a general rule, we try to make most of the weird stuff matter eventually. *cough*Everything in The Descent.*cough* Also that "Executors Across the Sea" thing, prolly. And Kal Sharok, dare I hope?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Apr 3, 2017 3:04:41 GMT
userHey Mike, is there anything in Inquistion we should pay attention thought if Dragon Age 4 was a thing. Mike Laidlaw @mike_LaidlawAs a general rule, we try to make most of the weird stuff matter eventually. *cough*Everything at the end of The Descent.*cough* That, and the mysterious Executors from across the sea ...
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Apr 3, 2017 3:05:23 GMT
What an elf could do in uthenera was actually hinted at in Masked Empire. Felassan regrets finding the ancient elf dead since "This one could have helped". (Though I wonder exactly what help he was meaning). Then Briala says: "How?......What would they say beyond wishing us luck in the alienages?" At this point Mihris says "You know nothing. From the Fade the ancients could see our whole world. They could see where our enemies would be, and in what number. Where the Veil was thin, they could send spirits to do their bidding and help us." Felassan then mocks this idea, first by exaggerating what they could do. "They could kill their enemies as they slept." (Although apparently this is exactly what Dreamers could do, human and elf). "They could grant wishes to dreamers whose souls were pure." Then disparaging the idea: "Or they could lie there and do nothing except inspire overly romantic Dalish folktales." Followed by smirk of derision. However, I think it was a case that he had originally let slip something that he regretted because Mihris was actually very close to the truth (as in fact the Dalish often are), so he had to save face by his usual put down. Since PW wrote the Masked Empire, I assume this lies behind his assertion about Solas. I suppose it could also be that the denouement of Masked Empire is confirmation of exactly what "Mihris" was saying. If there was a thinning of the Veil at the meeting place and You Know Who got a spirit of Vengeance or whatnot to go do some punishment. Bah! Too many dots left for us to connect. I don't understand what you are saying is in question here, PapaCharlie. I thought Solas killed Felassan in the Fade. I've been away a while. Is that in doubt, now???
*cough*Everything at the end of The Descent.*cough* That, and the mysterious Executors from across the sea ... Heh beat you with my edit.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Apr 3, 2017 3:39:00 GMT
The weird thing I want to know more about is the lizard men in the Deep Roads.
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Post by phoray on Apr 3, 2017 5:20:32 GMT
How Sandal s journal got put into the Fade!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 6:14:35 GMT
userHey Mike, is there anything in Inquistion we should pay attention thought if Dragon Age 4 was a thing. Mike Laidlaw @mike_LaidlawAs a general rule, we try to make most of the weird stuff matter eventually. *cough*Everything in The Descent.*cough* Also that "Executors Across the Sea" thing, prolly. And Kal Sharok, dare I hope? The whole "Executors" thing still makes me think of the Business Men from Adventure Time:
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 3, 2017 9:03:25 GMT
userHey Mike, is there anything in Inquistion we should pay attention thought if Dragon Age 4 was a thing. Mike Laidlaw @mike_LaidlawAs a general rule, we try to make most of the weird stuff matter eventually. That's not fair. Everything in Dragon Age is weird.
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Post by Rascoth on Apr 3, 2017 12:11:13 GMT
That's not fair. Everything in Dragon Age is weird. That's the point.
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 3, 2017 12:14:14 GMT
Isn't that the whole point of uthenera - that the mind wanders the Fade awake and aware, just observing and gathering wisdom Yes, but I took that to mean observing in the Fade, not the material world. The Fade reflects the material world around it. Solas can't shut up about it when we ask him about Fadey stuff Same with Cole - he literally says that without living beings and the world outside, there's no Fade or spirits.
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 3, 2017 12:16:00 GMT
*cough*Everything at the end of The Descent.*cough* That, and the mysterious Executors from across the sea ... Yessss, I want to know what Executors are.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Apr 3, 2017 12:23:16 GMT
Sooo.....how 'bout dat Dragon Age 4? Did....did that dog just wink to the camera?
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 3, 2017 14:37:11 GMT
Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrah My PC has forgotten how to Windows: CSI: BSN... time to break out the microscope!
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 3, 2017 14:40:18 GMT
^I see a blight-ridden cup! It began spreading outside of the game, aaaaa!
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