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Post by Mikado on Apr 5, 2017 19:15:16 GMT
Did I miss some announcement while in Andromeda? (I apologize if the format is incorrect.) Alix Wilton Regan "back in the studio breaking worlds apart...shes a very very angry #Elf" Does it mean what I think it means or have I already gone crazy?
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 5, 2017 19:23:01 GMT
Alix Wilton Regan @alixwiltonreganBack in the studio and breaking worlds apart... she's a very very angry #Elf. Kath Rella @kathrella I'd ask you what but you're probably on a NDA. So I'm just gonna grumble quietly and assume Inq Lavellan is coming back, even with one arm 😜 And then I'll no doubt be shatteringly disappointed getting my hopes up like that... and I'll grumble some more about NDAs. Lucy @xlucylightwoodSAME. Im like PLEASE BIOWARE/EA LORDS GIVE ME A DA 4 CONFMIRATION Kath Rella @kathrella Yep... 2014 seems sooooo long ago. Mike Laidlaw's been telling people it isn't a thing, until it's a thing. It better be a thing. Lucy @xlucylightwood3 years ago!! It needs to be a thing. I'm drenched in all the lore and i have QUESTIONS I NEED IT. Alix Wilton Regan @alixwiltonregan@mike_Laidlaw - take note. Jaal's Waifu🌌👽 justicarstefI'M FLAILING EVERYWHERE Alix Wilton Regan @alixwiltonreganJesus Christ guys what have I started?!?!? You're all mad and brilliant and brilliantly mad!!!
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 5, 2017 20:08:15 GMT
Sorry guys... not DA related.
Alix Wilton Regan @alixwiltonregan
GUY N GALS YOU ARE KILLING ME! 💔😂💋
Disclaimer: it was *not* a Dragon Age related post. I am very sorry.
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Post by Seven Zettabytes on Apr 5, 2017 20:22:52 GMT
Aaand back to the waiting. :smh:
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Post by lilyenachaos on Apr 5, 2017 20:23:26 GMT
Sorry guys... not DA related. Alix Wilton Regan @alixwiltonreganGUY N GALS YOU ARE KILLING ME! 💔😂💋 Disclaimer: it was *not* a Dragon Age related post. I am very sorry. BUT you are all outstanding! ❤️ ❤️🎈Truly, madly, deeply... you Dragon Age fans are just the best in the world. I love your passion. 🎈❤️ #DAI #dragonage She says that now, maybe because she realized she shouldn't have said anything. It's totally DA related. Maybe recording lines for an announcement trailer, or to set up the next protag. I'm on team optimism.
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Post by Max Deltree on Apr 5, 2017 20:26:06 GMT
I did a quick research, and she also voiced an elf in Warhammer: Vermintide, it seems. Oh, well. I thought it was too early for Dragon Age 4, with what we know. But maybe that Tactics game...?
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 5, 2017 20:29:33 GMT
I did a quick research, and she also voiced an elf in Warhammer: Vermintide, it seems. Oh, well. I thought it was too early for Dragon Age 4, with what we know. But maybe that Tactics game...? She also tweeted this... Alix Wilton Regan @alixwiltonregan THERE ARE OTHER ELVES OUT THERE
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 20:41:01 GMT
She also tweeted this... Alix Wilton Regan @alixwiltonregan THERE ARE OTHER ELVES OUT THERE She said this too. Alix Wilton Regan @alixwiltonregan ❤️🙏🏻Oh my #dragonage and #masseffect loves 🙏🏻❤️ THERE WILL BE MORE GAMES! I PROMISE! You may even like them!
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Post by lilyenachaos on Apr 5, 2017 20:41:07 GMT
There are other elves?
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Post by Zemgus on Apr 5, 2017 20:41:35 GMT
Sorry guys... not DA related. Alix Wilton Regan @alixwiltonreganGUY N GALS YOU ARE KILLING ME! 💔😂💋 Disclaimer: it was *not* a Dragon Age related post. I am very sorry. BUT you are all outstanding! ❤️ ❤️🎈Truly, madly, deeply... you Dragon Age fans are just the best in the world. I love your passion. 🎈❤️ #DAI #dragonage
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Post by phoray on Apr 5, 2017 21:43:48 GMT
I'm with lilyenachaosThis is a trick to kick us off her trail.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Apr 5, 2017 22:02:33 GMT
Sorry guys... not DA related. Alix Wilton Regan @alixwiltonreganGUY N GALS YOU ARE KILLING ME! 💔😂💋 Disclaimer: it was *not* a Dragon Age related post. I am very sorry. BUT you are all outstanding! ❤️ ❤️🎈Truly, madly, deeply... you Dragon Age fans are just the best in the world. I love your passion. 🎈❤️ #DAI #dragonage Knew it was too good to be true, but still....
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Post by BevH on Apr 5, 2017 22:03:42 GMT
Olivia White @owlcavedevRight. Let's do this. Single most iconic line of dialogue in all of video games. Go. Cori@DesertTundra @genevraelEnchantment? Enchantment. Patrick Weekes had THE best answer: Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes You must gather your party before venturing forth. Oh how I grew to hate that line...
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 5, 2017 23:02:15 GMT
I dunno. I'm the kind of person who doesn't mind restrictions... in fact in a sense I prefer even more. I like characters being their own and I like them have their own preferences - not necessarily in terms of gender or race, but what they find attractive in the player character. And we sort of have that, specially in DA - there are characters who simply won't romance us if we have low approval, don't make enough decisions they agree with (that's also true to friendships) or say things they like/don't like. It made them feel more real. Of course, the issue with gender/race gating will be an issue to bigger or smaller extent in any BW title considering how much a staple for Bioware games relationships and inclusivity is - I think they'll just keep experimenting on some fields, while keeping things safe at others. And that's aside from game development going further and allowing them to do more things from technical side (in some cases the restriction stem from budget or technical limitations - it's easier and cheaper to have an NPC restricted to one gender for example, if it means the romance scene has to be animated once, and not 4 times to accommodate each race/gender's model height), which will likely influence things in the future. I'm not interested in Iron Bull in the least. BUT it would have been great if he made some comment if the Inquisitor had red hair, since he specifically mentions that as a general thing. Considering that, in DAI, the hair colors are fixed options, rather than the color wheel, I don't think it would have been too difficult to call to that CC choice for a dialogue prompt. (I don't say "easy," but I do think it's possible.)
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 5, 2017 23:05:44 GMT
Allan Schumacher allanschumacher
Related to a convo I had: Do you prefer romance content in a BioWare game to be specific representation (e.g. gay) or available to any char? 1. Specific representation 2. Available to any player With DA2 I preferred the "any player" but after a PAX 2013 panel about LGBT representation, I shifted towards specific representation. Hearing a lot of people at that panel was eye opening. Things such as the "convenience" of bisexuality put off some, as well as omission. With a character such as Dorian Pavus, Sera (or even waaay back - Juhani) my impression was that people appreciated the specific rep. Of course there's always some people that prefer available to all, specifically if they don't enjoy the options available to them. And I mean, if romance content is a big reason why you play our games, having a great option not be available might kinda sting a bit? Glenn @ohiglenn
Specific rep will always be better when it is done well and fairly. I'll take playersexual in a pinch when few options are available tho. Allan Schumacher allanschumacher
I agree. Like if we only had 4 I'd def prefer available to all. But with 6 the 2/2/2 of DAI is where I'd lean. David Gaider @davidgaider Reading allanschumacher 's Twitter discussion on representation in romances is interesting, mainly due to my long exposure to the subject. I've tried several approaches, and it eventually came to this: there is no "representation" switch you can flip which makes everyone happy. Some folks want every romance bisexual, while others feel this leads to "playersexuality" and deprives the characters of agency. Some folks want "real" sexualities, but others end up unhappy with their options or want every sexuality equally represented. Others put the emphasis on how they're portrayed - minority chars must be morally perfect and written by someone who identifies as the same. So if your sole reason for putting representation into a game is to "make the social justice people happy" ...well, good luck with that. Thing is, there are better reasons to do it, and no good reason not to make the effort - even if there's *also* pressure to do exactly that. In the end, I fall on the "don't put the cart before the horse" side. Characters are paramount. But variety makes for better characters. And, at the end of the day, if you reach out to an audience that rarely gets addressed, all the better. It's worth listening and improving. Quoting for reference. Also... did they up the char limit on Twitter? o_O
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 5, 2017 23:11:33 GMT
I think instead of 2/2/2 they should go 1 lady "lady only", one guy "guy only" and the other 4 "playersexual." Dorian was guy only Sera was lady only Solas/Cullen/Cassandra/Blackwall straight Iron Bull/Jose bi In my opinion, that was too much straight. maybe flip it and make it 4 bi options and 2 straight options. The only reason I even care about 100% straight options is I recently read on Adromeda thread that some people really appreciate having a heterosexual like them to romance. I find this idea odd. I'm heterosexual myself, but since I'm not personally banging pixels, I can handle my pixel character having the same pixel parts as their romance. I'm heavily invested in the "falling in love while saving Thedas/the Galaxy" and the romances are the only reason I play video games now after a 10 year gap of not playing them all. I also want my last LI to be aware when I move on to the next LI! Although at least Blackwall said he'd just never bring the relationship up again... The line that Fenris makes ...the one where he threatens Anders to be good to Hawke or he'd be sorry? THAT line made me FALL IN LOVE with Fenris. As in, I may not have given him and his leaving me stranded a second chance without it. I like my inner circle making comments about who I'm hanging out with- and if I'm being a heartbreaker, I want it commented on as well. Instead of the game just wiping the slate and pretending it never happened. :/ Oh, and speaking of Andromeda: Equal but different content! Do not only give 3 romance options the same depth of content while the rest are bare minimum. If the only way to get 13 romance options on the table is to give 10 of them a single minute of content and the other 3 ten (no idea the amount of minutes, just throwing out numbers) Then cut the romance options down! And that's my romance gamer opinion. Keep in mind that the reason DAI had "too much straight" was that Cullen and Solas were added only as a result of the extra year. Without them, it IS 2/2/2. Also, your suggestion of four bi and two straight removes gay characters, which I disagree with. The gay players deserve their rep, and options that are made for them, just as much as the straight ones do.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 23:12:33 GMT
David Gaider @davidgaider Reading allanschumacher 's Twitter discussion on representation in romances is interesting, mainly due to my long exposure to the subject. I've tried several approaches, and it eventually came to this: there is no "representation" switch you can flip which makes everyone happy. Some folks want every romance bisexual, while others feel this leads to "playersexuality" and deprives the characters of agency. Some folks want "real" sexualities, but others end up unhappy with their options or want every sexuality equally represented. Others put the emphasis on how they're portrayed - minority chars must be morally perfect and written by someone who identifies as the same. So if your sole reason for putting representation into a game is to "make the social justice people happy" ...well, good luck with that. Thing is, there are better reasons to do it, and no good reason not to make the effort - even if there's *also* pressure to do exactly that. In the end, I fall on the "don't put the cart before the horse" side. Characters are paramount. But variety makes for better characters. And, at the end of the day, if you reach out to an audience that rarely gets addressed, all the better. It's worth listening and improving. Quoting for reference. Also... did they up the char limit on Twitter? o_O Nope, this is just a compilation of a thread of tweets.
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Post by phoray on Apr 5, 2017 23:17:01 GMT
I think instead of 2/2/2 they should go 1 lady "lady only", one guy "guy only" and the other 4 "playersexual." Dorian was guy only Sera was lady only Solas/Cullen/Cassandra/Blackwall straight Iron Bull/Jose bi In my opinion, that was too much straight. maybe flip it and make it 4 bi options and 2 straight options. Keep in mind that the reason DAI had "too much straight" was that Cullen and Solas were added only as a result of the extra year. Without them, it IS 2/2/2. Also, your suggestion of four bi and two straight removes gay characters, which I disagree with. The gay players deserve their rep, and options that are made for them, just as much as the straight ones do. I feel that I was replying to the tweet which used 2)2)2, then discussing a perfect world of using DAI representative division. My conclusion was 8 romances: two homosexual, two heterosexual, and four bisexual. Giving both Genders 6 options out of 8.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 5, 2017 23:33:20 GMT
Keep in mind that the reason DAI had "too much straight" was that Cullen and Solas were added only as a result of the extra year. Without them, it IS 2/2/2. Also, your suggestion of four bi and two straight removes gay characters, which I disagree with. The gay players deserve their rep, and options that are made for them, just as much as the straight ones do. I feel that I was replying to the tweet which used 2)2)2, then discussing a perfect world of using DAI representative division. My conclusion was 8 romances: two homosexual, two heterosexual, and four bisexual. Giving both Genders 6 options out of 8. Ah, I see.
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Post by Bondari the Reloader on Apr 5, 2017 23:49:15 GMT
Olivia White @owlcavedevRight. Let's do this. Single most iconic line of dialogue in all of video games. Go. Cori@DesertTundra @genevraelEnchantment? Enchantment. Patrick Weekes had THE best answer: Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes You must gather your party before venturing forth. Oh how I grew to hate that line... I went from hating it all the way back around to loving it again. It was especially humorous when I cast Haste on my party just to get them to move faster for travelling purposes, but I forgot that one character (Minsc, I think) had the Ring of Free Action on, which makes the wearer immune to haste. The rest of my party was frantically trying to exit the map, while the straggler was just trudging along without a care in the world. And all the while, "You must gather your party before venturing forth."
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 6, 2017 0:09:00 GMT
Alix Wilton Regan @alixwiltonreganBack in the studio and breaking worlds apart... she's a very very angry #Elf. Kath Rella @kathrella I'd ask you what but you're probably on a NDA. So I'm just gonna grumble quietly and assume Inq Lavellan is coming back, even with one arm 😜 And then I'll no doubt be shatteringly disappointed getting my hopes up like that... and I'll grumble some more about NDAs. Lucy @xlucylightwoodSAME. Im like PLEASE BIOWARE/EA LORDS GIVE ME A DA 4 CONFMIRATION Kath Rella @kathrella Yep... 2014 seems sooooo long ago. Mike Laidlaw's been telling people it isn't a thing, until it's a thing. It better be a thing. Lucy @xlucylightwood3 years ago!! It needs to be a thing. I'm drenched in all the lore and i have QUESTIONS I NEED IT. Alix Wilton Regan @alixwiltonregan@mike_Laidlaw - take note. Jaal's Waifu🌌👽 justicarstef I'M FLAILING EVERYWHERE Alix Wilton Regan @alixwiltonreganJesus Christ guys what have I started?!?!? You're all mad and brilliant and brilliantly mad!!!
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Apr 6, 2017 0:56:45 GMT
SPOT ON! Now sing, "It's not easy being green ..." in Solas's voice!
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Apr 6, 2017 1:07:54 GMT
"In the end, I fall on the 'don't put the cart before the horse' side. Characters are paramount."
Will wonders never cease? I'm on Team Gaider!
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Patrick Weekes Retweeted Yume Cosplay @yume_Costumes"I walk the dinan'shiral. There is only death on this journey." 💔 | Pic by @eosandy ✨ | @mike_Laidlaw @patrickweekes pbs.twimg.com/media/C8ttRDjXsAAEf-_.jpg
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