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Post by Hrungr on May 17, 2017 20:57:07 GMT
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Post by ladyiolanthe on May 18, 2017 0:13:40 GMT
Re: Malus - really, all I can think of is apples.
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Post by arvaarad on May 18, 2017 2:32:38 GMT
Surely we had the bonus/malus thing with those sigils they introduced with the DLC. If you used them it gave you a bonus in one specific area that was offset by a decrease in stat in another. I just didn't see the point so never applied them. There were also some items in Trespasser that were the same I seem to recall. If you are hot stuff with working out the benefits/penalties to your advantage then I suppose you'd find them fun but I prefer simplicity myself. Either it gives me a bonus or it doesn't. I'm happy working out the relatives benefits of two different bonuses when deciding between items but not trying to weigh up whether the benefit outweighs the penalty on one item. The urgency equipment (attack faster at low health) is fun for rogues. Rogues shouldn't be getting hit anyway, and the Pincushion ability means faster attacks are really good. Just jump off a few ledges before fighting, and start making those sweet sweet Pincushion stacks. I've also heard the pact belts are really good for DPS mages, but I usually have my mages running CC. I'm also considering the poison sigil for my "technically, I'm a pacifist" run... the plan is not to attack anyone directly, but enemies stumbling into my Toxic Cloud are simply suffering the consequences of their own poor decisions. So the malus to attack wouldn't matter as much as the bonus to poison.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on May 18, 2017 2:52:54 GMT
For similar reasons, Sigil of Deathroot is great on Rogues. They shouldn't be getting hit anyway, so their need for healing is limited, and more attack is always good.
I love Sigil of Lyrium on Vivienne or a PC Knight-Enchanter. Technically they don't need a boost to their already impenetrable barriers, but they need the health even less and it can be handy if you get hit with a particularly strong attack. Sigil of the Golem is also good on tank Warriors or other characters that don't need crits.
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Post by Hrungr on May 18, 2017 3:07:46 GMT
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Unrelated, but I LOVE your new avi!! 👍👍 Mike Laidlaw @mike_Laidlaw
Thanks! It’s one smoking jacket away from “Oh! Hello there. I’m Mike Laidlaw” Pyro Ryder @mamaneeda
With a decanter of scotch as you lament about how you oversaw the great Solas heartbreak of 2014, with your partner in crime @patrickweekes Mike Laidlaw @mike_Laidlaw
Oh, that’s all him. If it were up to me all the games would be smiles and sunshine. Endless, mandatory smiles and unrelenting sunshine. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes Why am I the heartbreaky one? I play Light Side and Purple Hawke, dangit! Where WOULD I learn about a Glorious Strategist who gets hero to do all the work before a late-stage betrayal, JADE EMPIRE WRITER MIKE? Mike Laidlaw @mike_Laidlaw
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Liam Esler @liamesler Writing a keynote talking to high-school students about games as a career. What's the best thing about working in games? (Please RT!)
Mike Laidlaw @mike_Laidlaw Any and every time someone says "Thank you. That game got me through a very dark time. It was what I needed to keep going."
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Post by arvaarad on May 18, 2017 4:37:59 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes Why am I the heartbreaky one? I play Light Side and Purple Hawke, dangit! Where WOULD I learn about a Glorious Strategist who gets hero to do all the work before a late-stage betrayal, JADE EMPIRE WRITER MIKE? Patrick keeps making these Sun Li comparisons, but as I recall, Sun Li wasn't the staff-wielding hermit with mildly ruthless life advice. He wasn't the guy who was very bad at making his past sound unsuspicious. He wasn't the guy who said "I have moved with you, hidden, trying to keep focus. I give you all that I am, all that I was. Restore what has been corrupted." He wasn't the guy with a very diagonal fashion sense. Plus, when Sun Li executes his plans, he doesn't immediately regret them.
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Post by pdusen on May 18, 2017 12:38:38 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes Where WOULD I learn about a Glorious Strategist who gets hero to do all the work before a late-stage betrayal, JADE EMPIRE WRITER MIKE? "Glorious Strategist" my ass. Every plan Solas has ever had has backfired horrendously.
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Post by midnight tea on May 18, 2017 13:13:24 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes Where WOULD I learn about a Glorious Strategist who gets hero to do all the work before a late-stage betrayal, JADE EMPIRE WRITER MIKE? "Glorious Strategist" my ass. Every plan Solas has ever had has backfired horrendously. Huh, I didn't know saving the world from annihilation with a last ditch effort that eliminates powerful god-like entities constitutes a "horrendous failure". Ah, that pesky perfect solution fallacy. Same with investing in Inquisition. Or making Inky clear eluvians from Qunari in Trespasser and arriving just in time for amputation. In any case - I didn't realize you knew ALL his plans Can I ask you for DA4 spoilers then?
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Post by arvaarad on May 18, 2017 13:37:07 GMT
"Glorious Strategist" my ass. Every plan Solas has ever had has backfired horrendously. Huh, I didn't know saving the world from annihilation with a last ditch effort that eliminates six powerful god-like entities constitutes a "horrendous failure". Ah, that pesky perfect solution fallacy. In fairness, Sun Li's plans do kind of go perfectly. Well, until the person wielding the artifact he seeks comes back from the... oh god.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 18, 2017 18:03:14 GMT
I agree with you Midnight, shutting away all the Evanuris in one go was a great bit of strategic manoeuvring but how come you say he eliminated only SIX god-like entities? Do you know something we don't know? Which one got away?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 18, 2017 22:26:26 GMT
I agree with you Midnight, shutting away all the Evanuris in one go was a great bit of strategic manoeuvring but how come you say he eliminated only SIX god-like entities? Do you know something we don't know? Which one got away? Wasn't Flemeth/Mythal one of them? She's clearly not locked away. I'm not a big lore junkie, though - so apologies if she's not.
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Post by midnight tea on May 18, 2017 22:30:34 GMT
I agree with you Midnight, shutting away all the Evanuris in one go was a great bit of strategic manoeuvring but how come you say he eliminated only SIX god-like entities? Do you know something we don't know? Which one got away? Lol, that was a simple error, I was quite tired when I wrote the last comment.
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Post by Gilli on May 18, 2017 22:33:41 GMT
I agree with you Midnight, shutting away all the Evanuris in one go was a great bit of strategic manoeuvring but how come you say he eliminated only SIX god-like entities? Do you know something we don't know? Which one got away? Wasn't Flemeth/Mythal one of them? She's clearly not locked away. I'm not a big lore junkie, though - so apologies if she's not. She is, but there were 9 gods (including Solas) Elgar'nan Mythal = dead/in Flemeth Falon'Din Dirthamen Andruil Sylaise June Ghilan'nain Fen'Harel = Solas So 8 Evanuris minus Mythal = 7
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Post by Hrungr on May 19, 2017 0:07:27 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes Wait wait wait hang on. SMH means "Shaking my head"??? I've been reading it as "So much hate"! Why wasn't I TOLD?
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Post by arvaarad on May 19, 2017 0:36:31 GMT
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Wait wait wait hang on. SMH means "Shaking my head"??? I've been reading it as "So much hate"! Why wasn't I TOLD? Mike Laidlaw @mike_Laidlaw
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I'm feeling a lot of judgment coming my way on the timeline about this. This must be what you all feel when Solas talks to you. Except Solas is Patient and Compassionate when explaining things people didn't know. You could all learn a lot from his example. I still read smh as "so much hate" initially, even though I know it means "shaking my head". I think there's a couple factors at play: 1. "so much hate" usually works in context 2. both "hate" and "h" have a long-A sound, so it feels more natural to morph "h" into "hate" rather than "head" 3. both "smh" and "so much hate" are pronounced with 3 syllables, while "shaking my head" has 4; again this makes it easier for my brain to morph "smh" into "so much hate" There should be a word for this phenomenon. It's an interesting situation, because the incorrect expansion must both feel natural and fit in most of the same contexts as the correct expansion. So a lot of people arrive at the same incorrect expansion independently. For example, a lot of people expand "ftfy" into "fuck this fuck you", and often older people expand "lol" to "lots of love". I don't know if it's that common, but there are also jokey incorrect expansions, like expanding "af" to "as foretold". In each case, the wrong expansion has to make sense in multiple contexts where the correct expansion is used.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on May 19, 2017 2:38:14 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes Where WOULD I learn about a Glorious Strategist who gets hero to do all the work before a late-stage betrayal, JADE EMPIRE WRITER MIKE? "Glorious Strategist" my ass. Every plan Solas has ever had has backfired horrendously. Word! Why isn't this THE ANTI-SOLAS? Speaking of buffs/debuffs, Solas must have a +200 buff to his Denial stat. And also emits a -200 debuff to the Common Sense stat of anyone who gets near him. "Glorious Strategist" my ass. Every plan Solas has ever had has backfired horrendously. Huh, I didn't know saving the world from annihilation with a last ditch effort that eliminates powerful god-like entities constitutes a "horrendous failure". Ah, that pesky perfect solution fallacy. If it's a fallacy, Solas himself has fallen for it. Even he thinks he screwed up. That's also a bit revisionist. Locking up the Evanuris wasn't saving the world from annihilation -- not in the same sense as, oh, ending a Blight. Solas's beef with the Evanuris was ideological, political, and arguably moral. He may have been on the side of the angels, but the stakes were not the same as what either my Warden or my Inquisitor had to deal with. And there's an argument that the cure was worse, far worse, than the disease. And again, that's what Solas himself thinks.
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Post by midnight tea on May 19, 2017 2:57:22 GMT
Huh, I didn't know saving the world from annihilation with a last ditch effort that eliminates powerful god-like entities constitutes a "horrendous failure". Ah, that pesky perfect solution fallacy. If it's a fallacy, Solas himself has fallen for it. Even he thinks he screwed up. Another fallacy - just because there was no perfect solution, doesn't mean that a person forced to make a choice can't feel horrible about it. "No man can kill so many without breaking inside" - these are his own words (in banter with Bull). Varric and Hawke feel guilty about releasing Corypheus; Cassandra feels guilty for not convincing Varric to give her the location of Hawle. They also think they screwed up, even if they either could do nothing about it or their actions were justified or had unforeseeable consequences. ... I think you may have not paid attention. It is established in Trespasser that Evanuris were about to do something that endangered the whole world. Heck - Solas himself says so. This wasn't just an ideological war. What's more: the threat might even be Blight-related (and it's certainly Titan-related, according to rune left in Deep Roads section in the DLC).
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Post by mrjack on May 19, 2017 9:11:15 GMT
There should be a word for this phenomenon. BACKRONYM
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Post by arvaarad on May 19, 2017 12:10:35 GMT
There should be a word for this phenomenon. BACKRONYMHmmmmm, similar concept, not sure if it's quite the shade of meaning I'm thinking of. Backronyms are usually deliberate, not accidental, and the acronym spells out a word. I'm looking for a word for "the phenomenon where many people accidentally arrive at the same incorrect meaning for an acronym."
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Post by pdusen on May 19, 2017 12:31:44 GMT
If it's a fallacy, Solas himself has fallen for it. Even he thinks he screwed up. Another fallacy - just because there was no perfect solution, doesn't mean that a person forced to make a choice can't feel horrible about it. "No man can kill so many without breaking inside" - these are his own words (in banter with Bull). Varric and Hawke feel guilty about releasing Corypheus; Cassandra feels guilty for not convincing Varric to give her the location of Hawle. They also think they screwed up, even if they either could do nothing about it or their actions were justified or had unforeseeable consequences. ... I think you may have not paid attention. It is established in Trespasser that Evanuris were about to do something that endangered the whole world. Heck - Solas himself says so. This wasn't just an ideological war. What's more: the threat might even be Blight-related (and it's certainly Titan-related, according to rune left in Deep Roads section in the DLC). You can keep shouting fallacy all you want, but even if Solas' beef with the Evanuris was more than ideological (which may have been implied, but I'm still not convinced of), and even if they were indeed about to do something apocalyptically bad, it's an undeniable fact that Solas' actions had massive unforeseen and unintended consequences for his people that, at least in his eyes, is so much worse than the original problem that he now wants to reverse what he did in the first place, which is why I'm justified in saying that it backfired horrendously. Quit trying to portray Solas as some kind of master schemer. He's a well-meaning guy with way too much power who keeps making things worse every time he tries to help (the entire plot of Inquisition is the result of one of his plans backfiring) and he really needs to stop. In the parlance of my industry, he's a user that knows just enough to be dangerous. I don't remember the exact question, but there's a question you can ask him at the end of Trespasser, about how he's going to handle something if he succeeds, and his response is something to the effect of "I have plans." Oh really, Solas? You have plans? Gee, I wonder why that doesn't make me feel any better.
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Post by Heimdall on May 19, 2017 12:57:24 GMT
Another fallacy - just because there was no perfect solution, doesn't mean that a person forced to make a choice can't feel horrible about it. "No man can kill so many without breaking inside" - these are his own words (in banter with Bull). Varric and Hawke feel guilty about releasing Corypheus; Cassandra feels guilty for not convincing Varric to give her the location of Hawle. They also think they screwed up, even if they either could do nothing about it or their actions were justified or had unforeseeable consequences. ... I think you may have not paid attention. It is established in Trespasser that Evanuris were about to do something that endangered the whole world. Heck - Solas himself says so. This wasn't just an ideological war. What's more: the threat might even be Blight-related (and it's certainly Titan-related, according to rune left in Deep Roads section in the DLC). You can keep shouting fallacy all you want, but even if Solas' beef with the Evanuris was more than ideological (which may have been implied, but I'm still not convinced of), and even if they were indeed about to do something apocalyptically bad, it's an undeniable fact that Solas' actions had massive unforeseen and unintended consequences for his people that, at least in his eyes, is so much worse than the original problem that he now wants to reverse what he did in the first place, which is why I'm justified in saying that it backfired horrendously. Quit trying to portray Solas as some kind of master schemer. He's a well-meaning guy with way too much power who keeps making things worse every time he tries to help (the entire plot of Inquisition is the result of one of his plans backfiring) and he really needs to stop. In the parlance of my industry, he's a user that knows just enough to be dangerous. I don't remember the exact question, but there's a question you can ask him at the end of Trespasser, about how he's going to handle something if he succeeds, and his response is something to the effect of "I have plans." Oh really, Solas? You have plans? Gee, I wonder why that doesn't make me feel any better. The question was about how he would keep the Evanuris from f*cking everything over again once he tore down the Veil and they were able to come back. So he doesn't want to reverse the world to its prior state entirely, but he seems to think he's found a way to have his cake and eat it too.
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Post by midnight tea on May 19, 2017 13:44:40 GMT
Another fallacy - just because there was no perfect solution, doesn't mean that a person forced to make a choice can't feel horrible about it. "No man can kill so many without breaking inside" - these are his own words (in banter with Bull). Varric and Hawke feel guilty about releasing Corypheus; Cassandra feels guilty for not convincing Varric to give her the location of Hawle. They also think they screwed up, even if they either could do nothing about it or their actions were justified or had unforeseeable consequences. ... I think you may have not paid attention. It is established in Trespasser that Evanuris were about to do something that endangered the whole world. Heck - Solas himself says so. This wasn't just an ideological war. What's more: the threat might even be Blight-related (and it's certainly Titan-related, according to rune left in Deep Roads section in the DLC). You can keep shouting fallacy all you want, but even if Solas' beef with the Evanuris was more than ideological (which may have been implied, but I'm still not convinced of), and even if they were indeed about to do something apocalyptically bad, it's an undeniable fact that Solas' actions had massive unforeseen and unintended consequences for his people that, at least in his eyes, is so much worse than the original problem that he now wants to reverse what he did in the first place, which is why I'm justified in saying that it backfired horrendously. Quit trying to portray Solas as some kind of master schemer. He's a well-meaning guy with way too much power who keeps making things worse every time he tries to help (the entire plot of Inquisition is the result of one of his plans backfiring) and he really needs to stop. In the parlance of my industry, he's a user that knows just enough to be dangerous. I don't remember the exact question, but there's a question you can ask him at the end of Trespasser, about how he's going to handle something if he succeeds, and his response is something to the effect of "I have plans." Oh really, Solas? You have plans? Gee, I wonder why that doesn't make me feel any better. ...Please show me a spot where I say that all he does goes without a hitch ? Saying that there were big, unforeseen consequences to one or two plans is an entirely different beast than saying that all plans are an abject failure. Also - one can be a "master schemer" and still make mistakes OR have so much going against him, that a solution without severe consequences is impossible to pull out, but hey - every other alternative is worse. Ultimately it doesn't matter what you or I think about a character - I just find it bizarre to categorize things in black-and-white category, like "utter failures" when they're not a perfect success, especially if there's a possibility that "perfect success" was likely never attainable in the first place, or the alternative to it was an even bigger failure. Strangely, life has a tendency to steer towards complicated, no matter of the amount of planning ahead.
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Post by midnight tea on May 19, 2017 13:55:40 GMT
The question was about how he would keep the Evanuris from f*cking everything over again once he tore down the Veil and they were able to come back. So he doesn't want to reverse the world to its prior state entirely, but he seems to think he's found a way to have his cake and eat it too. For me it sounded like "Aha - you think I'm going to spoil Dragon Age 4? Sorry hon: you have to wait to know what exactly I've had in mind". Frikking tease The prospect of waiting years to find answers is annoying every time I think about it.
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