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Post by arvaarad on May 19, 2017 15:04:12 GMT
The question was about how he would keep the Evanuris from f*cking everything over again once he tore down the Veil and they were able to come back. So he doesn't want to reverse the world to its prior state entirely, but he seems to think he's found a way to have his cake and eat it too. Well, in fairness, he does really like cakes. Sweet, frilly cakes. Soft, round cakes. Messy, squishable cakes. Cakes that fall apart on the tongue. I can't really blame him for wanting to eat and have them. That's how they're meant to be enjoyed. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Post by gervaise21 on May 19, 2017 19:16:00 GMT
I must admit that one of the things I found annoying about his explanation is that he kept changing his reason for shutting the Evanuris away. He wanted to punish them for killing Mythal; he wanted to free the elven people; and he did it to stop the Evanuris from destroying the world. Now all three are likely true so far as he is concerned but the last one was the justification I found problematic because he admits that dropping the Veil will free them again. So I was thinking "So you destroyed the world of the elves in order to stop the Evanuris from destroying the whole world (essentially a no win situation). Here's my question, when you drop the Veil what's to stop them destroying the reborn world of the elves after you have already destroyed our world?" His answer of "I have plans" didn't even get near to resolving the issue for me. Then when I asked "Why does our world have to die?", the response essentially was "I'm not telling you because spoilers."
So as I admit above, succeeding in shutting the Evanuris away was a pretty neat trick but he doesn't seem to have learned from the experience that "plans" have unforeseen consequences or maybe he has and it is just an attitude of soldier on regardless. From where I was standing it seemed that even if dropping the Veil didn't result in instant annihilation for the majority of creation, whatever followed probably would. Still he admits the Inquisitor is a thoughtful individual, so I'm sure we'll figure it out before we pass the point of no return.
Honestly, the idea that we may have to wait another 2 years before finding out is frustrating to say the least.
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Post by theblackadder13 on May 19, 2017 20:44:07 GMT
I must admit that one of the things I found annoying about his explanation is that he kept changing his reason for shutting the Evanuris away. He wanted to punish them for killing Mythal; he wanted to free the elven people; and he did it to stop the Evanuris from destroying the world. Now all three are likely true so far as he is concerned but the last one was the justification I found problematic because he admits that dropping the Veil will free them again. So I was thinking "So you destroyed the world of the elves in order to stop the Evanuris from destroying the whole world (essentially a no win situation). Here's my question, when you drop the Veil what's to stop them destroying the reborn world of the elves after you have already destroyed our world?" His answer of "I have plans" didn't even get near to resolving the issue for me. Then when I asked "Why does our world have to die?", the response essentially was "I'm not telling you because spoilers." So as I admit above, succeeding in shutting the Evanuris away was a pretty neat trick but he doesn't seem to have learned from the experience that "plans" have unforeseen consequences or maybe he has and it is just an attitude of soldier on regardless. From where I was standing it seemed that even if dropping the Veil didn't result in instant annihilation for the majority of creation, whatever followed probably would. Still he admits the Inquisitor is a thoughtful individual, so I'm sure we'll figure it out before we pass the point of no return. Honestly, the idea that we may have to wait another 2 years before finding out is frustrating to say the least. Where does Solas ever say the Evanuris were about to destroy the world? I could be missing it but I don't recall him literally saying that.
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Post by mechalynx on May 19, 2017 20:57:19 GMT
Where does Solas ever say the Evanuris were about to destroy the world? I could be missing it but I don't recall him literally saying that. At the end of Trespasser when you ask him why he raised the Veil if he loved the Fade so much.
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Post by midnight tea on May 19, 2017 21:00:09 GMT
I must admit that one of the things I found annoying about his explanation is that he kept changing his reason for shutting the Evanuris away. He wanted to punish them for killing Mythal; he wanted to free the elven people; and he did it to stop the Evanuris from destroying the world. Now all three are likely true so far as he is concerned but the last one was the justification I found problematic because he admits that dropping the Veil will free them again. So I was thinking "So you destroyed the world of the elves in order to stop the Evanuris from destroying the whole world (essentially a no win situation). Here's my question, when you drop the Veil what's to stop them destroying the reborn world of the elves after you have already destroyed our world?" His answer of "I have plans" didn't even get near to resolving the issue for me. Then when I asked "Why does our world have to die?", the response essentially was "I'm not telling you because spoilers."
So as I admit above, succeeding in shutting the Evanuris away was a pretty neat trick but he doesn't seem to have learned from the experience that "plans" have unforeseen consequences or maybe he has and it is just an attitude of soldier on regardless. From where I was standing it seemed that even if dropping the Veil didn't result in instant annihilation for the majority of creation, whatever followed probably would. Still he admits the Inquisitor is a thoughtful individual, so I'm sure we'll figure it out before we pass the point of no return.
Honestly, the idea that we may have to wait another 2 years before finding out is frustrating to say the least. Where does Solas ever say the Evanuris were about to destroy the world? I could be missing it but I don't recall him literally saying that. It's part of optional dialogue during confrontation in Trespasser. Inquisitor: "You love the Fade. Why would you create the Veil to hide it all away?" Solas: "Because every alternative was worse" Inquisitor: "Meaning?" Solas: "Had I not created the Veil, the Evanuris would have destroyed the entire world". So there - he literally said that. We don't know what exactly they were planning, but we have some hints hidden in Deep Roads sections, right where you find this mural: There's a rune there that says: "What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. Let no one wake its anger. The People must rise before their false gods destroy them all." And since both the mural and the rune are Solas's creations, it means he's basically stated this twice.
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Post by Iakus on May 19, 2017 23:52:53 GMT
Surely we had the bonus/malus thing with those sigils they introduced with the DLC. If you used them it gave you a bonus in one specific area that was offset by a decrease in stat in another. I just didn't see the point so never applied them. There were also some items in Trespasser that were the same I seem to recall. If you are hot stuff with working out the benefits/penalties to your advantage then I suppose you'd find them fun but I prefer simplicity myself. Either it gives me a bonus or it doesn't. I'm happy working out the relatives benefits of two different bonuses when deciding between items but not trying to weigh up whether the benefit outweighs the penalty on one item. I never really used them either. The penalties seemed way too severe for what they offered.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 0:12:13 GMT
As the person who would likely be responsible for such things, if such a game were to exist , I can say with confidence that I would be in favor of Buff/Debuff. For me, the distinction is in specificity. A Bonus/Malus, as arvaarad mentions, could be any stat change, a buff or debuff would specifically come with a UI marker and description and be it's own thing. For example, a malus might be -10 Strength but a debuff would be 'Weakness: -10 to Strength' which then has an associated visual language attached to it and placed on a character, either in world through VFX or on the HUD somewhere in UI. ME:A devs could learn a couple things from you
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on May 20, 2017 3:32:06 GMT
Where does Solas ever say the Evanuris were about to destroy the world? I could be missing it but I don't recall him literally saying that. It's part of optional dialogue during confrontation in Trespasser. Inquisitor: "You love the Fade. Why would you create the Veil to hide it all away?" Solas: "Because every alternative was worse" Inquisitor: "Meaning?" Solas: "Had I not created the Veil, the Evanuris would have destroyed the entire world". So there - he literally said that. We don't know what exactly they were planning, May I remind you of that old saying of the Evanuris? "How do you know when Solas is lying?" ... "His lips are moving." (ba-dum-dum) Really, at that point in Trespasser, I didn't believe a word he said. I didn't go for the STFU option, but I did in fact exhaust all available options for my f!Trevelyan Rift Mage Inquisitor, but by that point I knew better than to trust him, particularly when it came to defending his actions. I think you may have not paid attention. It is established in Trespasser that Evanuris were about to do something that endangered the whole world. Heck - Solas himself says so. This wasn't just an ideological war. I think that Codex entry is subject to debate. I assume you are referring to this (emphasis mine): I'll grant that the straight-forward interpretation is after Mythal defeated a Titan, some of the other Evanuris got it into their heads that they could exploit the Titans, or their dead bodies, or their blood, or all of the above, to gain even more power. And somebody (Solas?) foiled their plan by sealing the Deep Roads. And that was only a stop-gap, because c'mon, Evanuris! They'd get into the Deep Roads sooner or later. So then Solas has to create the Veil and cast the Evanuris into the Twilight Zone, while oopsie screwing everything else up in the bargain. But two things always bothered me about that passage: (1) Why say "an aeon seems to pass"? A lot of time passing between Mythal's battle and the Evanuris getting up to no good with Titans doesn't make sense. And (2), who is speaking and why did they say "could"? Is that worst-casing the risk, or granting the the Evanuris might not be so stupid as to destroy the world? Perhaps there is another interpretation which resolves these two points? Perhaps the second statement is prophecy. About a time much later, like maybe the Dragon Age, where the Evanuris, set loose by Solas pulling down the Veil, decide to throw a tantrum and destroy the world, just to spite Solas. I'm not saying I believe that, but I also wouldn't put it past PW to do something like that ...
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Post by midnight tea on May 20, 2017 4:21:15 GMT
It's part of optional dialogue during confrontation in Trespasser. Inquisitor: "You love the Fade. Why would you create the Veil to hide it all away?" Solas: "Because every alternative was worse" Inquisitor: "Meaning?" Solas: "Had I not created the Veil, the Evanuris would have destroyed the entire world". So there - he literally said that. We don't know what exactly they were planning, May I remind you of that old saying of the Evanuris? "How do you know Solas is lying?" ... "His lips are moving." (ba-dum-dum) Really, at that point in Trespasser, I didn't believe a word he said. I didn't go for the STFU option, I did in fact exhaust all available options for my f!Trevelyan Rift Mage Inquisitor, but by that point I knew better than to trust him, particularly when it came to defending his actions. Oh, you mean the same Evanuris that we find multiple evidence of them spreading propaganda? I mean, it's not like Solas appears out of nowhere and just states stuff - in Trespasser we are travelling through multiple zones and are gathering and corroborating evidence of our own before we even meet him. Deep Roads, Vir Dirthara, Fen'Harel's sanctuary (and Cole's cryptic comments) - all of these places and pieces, in one way or another, lean towards supporting what Solas says, rather than disproving it, as of this time in the story. That the rune is of Solas's authorship? Nope, people even datamined description files for the specific chamber: Considering that the eluvian, bolt-hole and mural is there as described, it's unlikely that the final story has deviated from when that note was taken. No, actually, Solas has sealed the Deep Roads before Mythals's murder, which happened sometime during his rebellion - and the text clearly states that this is where he's made his decision to rebel and rouse people to fight against Evanuris ("The People must rise before their false gods destroy them all"). It's the rebellion that was supposed to foil whatever the Evanuris were planning, possibly with secret help from Mythal (if we drink from Well and use its knowledge to pacify spirits guarding Fen'Harel's temple, we find out that Mythal knew secret passphrase only allies of Fen'Harel knew). The available lore and clues indicate that Mythal was possibly the only one who had either raw power or political talent (or both) to persuade or stall other gods - so when she was killed, there was nobody else to stop whatever the newly-empowered Evanuris desired to do. Hence the Veil, deployed as last desperate effort. Hmm... again - you may have missed some stuff here or there. We know there was another war ways before Fen'Harel's rebellion (and aside from Evanuris warring with one another) - Solas speaks directly of it, and his claims are supported by both his ancient mural and rune, as well as some codices, lore and clues both in Trespasser, Descent and base game. The elves at one point have been at war with Titans (and dwarves?). The Titans were defeated and lyrium (and "something else" according to comment in the bolt-hole made by Inquisitor) at least in part powered Elvhen civilization in some way. It's actually this war that has made Evanuris into what they were (first generals, then respected elders, kings and then gods). And yes - aeons have passed, because elves are immortal, lol. Aeons for them might be 'years' or 'decades' for mortals. Also, no - the text is not a prophecy, those are Solas's own words right from a moment where he's decided to rebel against Evanuris, as stated above.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 20, 2017 10:32:21 GMT
The only thing I would dispute here Midnight is the assertion that Solas sealed the Deep Roads before Mythal's murder. I'm pretty sure we have no evidence of that either way. In fact if the horror he was shutting away was linked to Mythal's murder, may be even her real corpse can be found there, then that would explain why it was the final straw where he was concerned.
It seems to me that Mythal is constantly shown as keeping the other Evanuris under control and much of the time they are in favour of that, even requesting that she do so. If she was trying to regulate whatever was down there and prevent the others (or at least some of the others) from getting to it, that could explain why they killed her. I am drawn back to Merrill's version of events when she says that Fen'Harel told the two opposing sets of gods that he knew of a secret weapon that would give them the edge in their war and that is how he persuaded them into his trap. That actually sounds very plausible, if the bait was whatever was shut away by him. My money is on red lyrium and the original source of it, possibly Mythal's dead body.
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Post by midnight tea on May 20, 2017 16:13:06 GMT
"The People must rise before their false gods destroy them all"
Later, Solas lays out the timeline - he rebels, Mythal gets murdered, which prompts him to lift the Veil.
It's explicit. You can't seriously argue that there's no evidence with things being this clearly stated.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 20, 2017 18:07:28 GMT
This is where I come back to him giving 3 different reasons for making the Veil. Actually the sequence of events sounds more like this:
First, he says he sought to free the elven people from slavery (possible with the collusion of Mythal). He broke the chains of all who wished to join him. There is no mention of saving them from potential doom. The gods condemn his action and call him Fen'Harel. He definitely says they did this before they "finally went too far" when he formed the Veil to banish them forever. When asked how they went too far, he states "they killed Mythal." Then when you ask why he would shut away the Fade when he loves it so much, he states the alternative would be to let the Evanuris destroy the whole world.
He quite clearly states that his initial rebellion was when he sought to free the elven people from slavery and in fighting back against this they went too far. If the rebellion was as a result of what he found in the Deep Roads, which was clearly the thing he thought would destroy the world, then that would suggest that he wouldn't have imprisoned them if Mythal had not been killed, which would suggest that either the thing he sealed away was not as dire as he suggested or he was prepared to risk them destroying the world because he didn't want to move against Mythal, which makes his assertion that he had no choice seem false.
When he says the people must rise against their false gods in the Deep Roads sequence, I think he is making a general call to the elven people, that is everyone, not simply those who wish to join him to escape slavery. This is why I think that what was down there was Mythal's dead body. He knew they were doomed because the normal regulator of the Evanuris had been murdered, so there was nothing to stand in their way. If Mythal was still alive, then he was also calling them to rise against Mythal as well, which makes little sense in the light of how he speaks of her and again seems to separate the death of Mythal from the destruction of the world as a justification for his actions. That he freed the elven people in raising the Veil was really only a by-product of his action, not the main reason for it.
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Post by midnight tea on May 20, 2017 21:18:20 GMT
This is where I come back to him giving 3 different reasons for making the Veil. Actually the sequence of events sounds more like this I'll respond to this quickly, but if the discussion continues, it likely should do so outside of Twitter Thread. Solas states that he created the Veil when they finally went too far, not before it.
There really is no going around it - Solas explicitly states that his decision to create the Veil is directly related to "Evanuris going too far" a.k.a. Mythal's murder. As it stands, in Deep Roads he's decided to first rebel in order to try and thwart Evanuris, NOT raise the Veil yet.
Obvious conclusion: Mythal didn't die in Deep Roads.
So the timeline is clear - what he's found in the Deep Roads is the straw that broke the camel's back, he rebels, Evanuris kill Mythal, he creates the Veil.
Obvious conclusion nr 2: rebellion to overthrow Evanuris was only possible if Mythal - the 'voice of reason' and possibly his secret benefactor - is alive. Once she's out of picture, the only alternative left is the Veil.
Gervaise... just think about it for a second instead of trying to push your theory: what was Solas forced to do when Mythal was murdered?
He was forced to create the Veil, push the Fade away, cut people's conscious connection to it and effectively destroyed the world as it was.
That's enough incentive to try and avoid that scenario and attempt to do something less drastic at a time when it was yet possible, don't you think??
Also - ask yourself: why is Solas so grim and fatalistic now? Perhaps because he had hoped that Evanuris (possibly his old comrades) had enough sense to NOT go too far and abandon their plans, only to be proven horribly wrong - hence he's not taking any chances now?
There was no dead body there, as there's no mention of it - the only mention there is, is of existence of 'angry energy' and Solas dreading the wake of "its" anger. That could have not possibly been Mythal, considering that it took ages for a mere wisp of her to reach Flemeth, also - it's extremely unlikely he'd be talking about Mythal as "it". We already have hints that they were working in secrecy, so the whole argument is pretty much null and void.
As to why they've potentially chosen that route - we don't yet have the whole picture, but it's it's not that hard to deduce that 2 Evanuris (with one not even really being one in the scope of others) against 7 make for a pretty uneven fight.
So it was likely that the only way both of them could have had taken the rest of Evanuris was by surprise, without resorting to more drastic measures - and element of surprise is very much Solas's AND Mythal's territory, so there's even more incentive to do so. That didn't work out, for whatever reason - maybe at one point the other Evanuris have found out about Mythal secretly supporting Fen'Harel, maybe it was something else.
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Post by Hrungr on May 20, 2017 22:50:34 GMT
Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrah Ok @patrickweekes, stick with me: -maple syrup is concentrated maple sap -sap is tree blood -Blood magic
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes Accepted. Also now I'm hungry, thanks.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 21, 2017 0:43:04 GMT
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Ok @patrickweekes, stick with me: -maple syrup is concentrated maple sap -sap is tree blood -Blood magic Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes
Accepted. Also now I'm hungry, thanks. This is the most Canadian thing I've seen them say in a while.
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Ok @patrickweekes, stick with me: -maple syrup is concentrated maple sap -sap is tree blood -Blood magic Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes
Accepted. Also now I'm hungry, thanks. For the record, if they made a sylvan companion that summoned demons using maple syrup, I would be 100% on board with that. But also, let's be real, I would be 100% on board if we met any sylvans in DA4. I would be 100% on board if the entire game took place in the Tirashan and every quest giver was a sylvan. I would be 100% on board for a character creator where we lovingly adjust our protagonist's foliage, branching patterns, and % of lines spoken in rhyme. Trees and Fade spirits are two of my favorite things, just make everyone a sylvan and call the next age Tree Age, the fiercest enemies shall be no match for our leafy boughs.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 21, 2017 1:27:57 GMT
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Accepted. Also now I'm hungry, thanks. For the record, if they made a sylvan companion that summoned demons using maple syrup, I would be 100% on board with that. But also, let's be real, I would be 100% on board if we met any sylvans in DA4. I would be 100% on board if the entire game took place in the Tirashan and every quest giver was a sylvan. I would be 100% on board for a character creator where we lovingly adjust our protagonist's foliage, branching patterns, and % of lines spoken in rhyme. Trees and Fade spirits are two of my favorite things, just make everyone a sylvan and call the next age Tree Age, the fiercest enemies shall be no match for our leafy boughs. This just reminds me that David Gaider wrote the Grand Oak -- one of my favorite DAO NPCs -- and he's gone. *ugly sobbing* Also... how're you gonna do romances in that scenario? Sounds... sticky.
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Post by arvaarad on May 21, 2017 1:40:08 GMT
For the record, if they made a sylvan companion that summoned demons using maple syrup, I would be 100% on board with that. But also, let's be real, I would be 100% on board if we met any sylvans in DA4. I would be 100% on board if the entire game took place in the Tirashan and every quest giver was a sylvan. I would be 100% on board for a character creator where we lovingly adjust our protagonist's foliage, branching patterns, and % of lines spoken in rhyme. Trees and Fade spirits are two of my favorite things, just make everyone a sylvan and call the next age Tree Age, the fiercest enemies shall be no match for our leafy boughs. This just reminds me that David Gaider wrote the Grand Oak -- one of my favorite DAO NPCs -- and he's gone. *ugly sobbing* Also... how're you gonna do romances in that scenario? Sounds... sticky. Well the Jar of Bees still exists, but it is very much not a combat item anymore.
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Post by midnight tea on May 21, 2017 1:42:43 GMT
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Ok @patrickweekes, stick with me: -maple syrup is concentrated maple sap -sap is tree blood -Blood magic Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes
Accepted. Also now I'm hungry, thanks. For the record, if they made a sylvan companion that summoned demons using maple syrup, I would be 100% on board with that. But also, let's be real, I would be 100% on board if we met any sylvans in DA4. I would be 100% on board if the entire game took place in the Tirashan and every quest giver was a sylvan. I would be 100% on board for a character creator where we lovingly adjust our protagonist's foliage, branching patterns, and % of lines spoken in rhyme. Trees and Fade spirits are two of my favorite things, just make everyone a sylvan and call the next age Tree Age, the fiercest enemies shall be no match for our leafy boughs. Dragon Age: Ent edition?
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Post by arvaarad on May 21, 2017 1:52:20 GMT
For the record, if they made a sylvan companion that summoned demons using maple syrup, I would be 100% on board with that. But also, let's be real, I would be 100% on board if we met any sylvans in DA4. I would be 100% on board if the entire game took place in the Tirashan and every quest giver was a sylvan. I would be 100% on board for a character creator where we lovingly adjust our protagonist's foliage, branching patterns, and % of lines spoken in rhyme. Trees and Fade spirits are two of my favorite things, just make everyone a sylvan and call the next age Tree Age, the fiercest enemies shall be no match for our leafy boughs. Dragon Age: Ent edition? Dragon Age: Tree Party (the party selection nodes are picnic blankets covered in small pastries) Edit:Dragon Age: The Pyramids of Our Pollen Dragon Age: Wooden-Commander Dragon Age: Exalted Bark Dragon Age: Log Warriors Dragon Age: Treemen of the Dales Dragon Age: Stolen Cone
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on May 21, 2017 5:22:51 GMT
This just reminds me that David Gaider wrote the Grand Oak -- one of my favorite DAO NPCs -- and he's gone. *ugly sobbing* Also... how're you gonna do romances in that scenario? Sounds... sticky. Well the Jar of Bees still exists, but it is very much not a combat item anymore. Did I seriously just see a tree sex joke on this thread? That's a new one. XD Also, "Dragon Age: Acorn Lost" is clearly the only title. Got callbacks all the way to DAO and lets you get the crazy hermit as a companion. But only a female Dog. Otherwise, you'd have to spend the whole game swatting your mabari away from claiming you as a landmark...
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Post by arvaarad on May 21, 2017 5:50:40 GMT
Well the Jar of Bees still exists, but it is very much not a combat item anymore. Did I seriously just see a tree sex joke on this thread? That's a new one. XD What? No! I keep this jar of bees in my nightstand for- for enemies! Bees are frightening to humans, yes? Yes. *slams the drawer shut, leaves turning red* ... *sketches with extreme close-ups of flowers flutter out* ... ... ...those are from the herbalist! I... need to study them carefully so I can identify them in the field! *snatches up the sketches, flipping them face-down* Now if you'll excuse me, it helps my concentration if I can study them in private. Good day, ser!
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Post by ladyiolanthe on May 21, 2017 14:30:23 GMT
This just reminds me that David Gaider wrote the Grand Oak -- one of my favorite DAO NPCs -- and he's gone. *ugly sobbing* Also... how're you gonna do romances in that scenario? Sounds... sticky. Well the Jar of Bees still exists, but it is very much not a combat item anymore. Except that maple, oak, birch, poplar, willow, spruce, pine, fir trees are wind pollinated. So romance scene is basically two sylvans standing in a breeze, maybe reciting poetry to one another. I'd be down with that. 😄
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Post by Rascoth on May 21, 2017 14:36:44 GMT
Well the Jar of Bees still exists, but it is very much not a combat item anymore. Except that maple trees are wind pollinated. So romance scene is basically two sylvans standing in a breeze, maybe reciting poetry to one another. I'd be down with that. 😄 "But... but sweetheart! That other sylvan means nothing to me! They said the wind's going to blow from west to east! I did not expect it to start blowing from the other direction, I swear!"
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