Dragon Age News Thread

I'm propably going to get crucified for this but I've noticed a large amount of vile toxicity is coming from the people often referred as "SJW"s. Take for example the MEA romance thread even before we knew anything about who can bang who. The thread was downright toxic and no one was allowed to be hyped or happy because a certain minority wasn't. It was a cesspool of 'guilty untill proven otherwise' with people literally stating they were going to be toxic and vile and then later apologize if they were wrong. That is a ridiculously shitty attitude to take. Saying you're sorry later doesn't make up for the shit you spout out of your mouth and tweet at devs. After I'd blocked several people for completely legit reason I just stopped going there. After what eventually ended up being the MEA romance situation, I feel inclined to say "karma is a bitch". 

Other examples of toxic SJWs in gaming are the Dream Daddy fan artist who got death threats because they dared to genderbent the trans-daddy, the racist scumbag Manveer Heir who BW did nothing about, the two times I know of that an RPG has tried to include a trans-character by shoehorning them in (MEA and PoE, in both cases which there was no reason for the NPC to even mention being trans) and I'm sure there's many others but I try very hard to not pay attention to this kind of bullshit anymore.

Now I'm not saying there aren't also those who bitch and whine about things such as DAI hair or MEA animations and make bold claims about how easy it would have been to fix and how lazy the devs must have been to not have. Or people who claim BW has been making their female characters uglier to pander to SJW, which is just a stupid thing to say. Then there's the PewDiePie type who intentionally misleads his viewers for profit (the whole MEA video) and causes massive damage with no repercussions and their blind mob of haters who can't think for themselves. And what happened with Jennifer Hepler back in the day is just disgusting. It's definitely not just SJWs being vile and terrible. They're just a group whose behaviour doesn't come down to bad parenting and is 100% a personal choice. They've also gotten more and more toxic as time goes.

Yes, I lump your general internet LGBT+++ folks with the general SJW type. Maybe I've just seen too much tumblr bullshittery but at this point the terms seem almost interchangeable. I'm sure there's plenty of reasonable people in both groups too and I'm sorry all of you lovely folks are lumped together with the toxic and vile.

That said, I too have sometimes let my emotions take the better of me and said some less mature things. The point is, we need to all try and moderate ourselves and not say things on the internet you wouldn't say to the people face to face. And if you feel like you would idd be capable of walking up to a dev and tell them to kill themselves because you couldn't bang a blue alien of the correct sex in a video game, I recommend getting mental help ASAP. The world or games don't owe special treatment for anyone. Just because you bought a game because of a gay romance that didn't turn out good doesn't mean it wasn't just a piece of side content in the larger whole and you were cheated out of your money and should now go tell developers to kill themselves.

Brannegan I disagree with most of what you said vis-a-vis the LGBT players. All I'll say about it is that you clearly don't understand the fullness of the issue, and that's it's far greater than not being able to "bang a blue alien of the correct sex in a video game." However, this is not the thread to get into it. Even this digression is verging off-topic.

I did acctually mention them.


So you are saying the so called SJWs aren't being toxic and vile as hell and it's okay for them to spam devs and forums with toxicity? Have you not noticed you can never win with these people? They will always find something to be toxic about. Are you seriously implying that anyone telling a dev to kill themselves because they can't bang someone in a video game doesn't need mental help? If recognizing the stupid amount of vile toxicity the so called SJWs are spouting and thinking it's not okay means I'm not understanding the fullness of the issue, then I'll gladly not understand the issue.

LGBT++ obviously face a lot of discrimination still both in video games, real life and biology. The gay male romance situation in MEA was not okay and who knows what happened with the dev tweets about Jaal but none of that excuses the absolutely vile bullshit that was happening in the romance thread for example. Is it okay to be disappointed and give the devs constructive critisism about it? Yes, by all means. Is it okay to spread negativity and try to make everyone else unhappy while spamming the devs with toxic tweets? No. No it's not.

And once again. Yes, there is also a LOT of toxic red pill people and kids in general. Yes, the large majority of LGBT++ people are reasonable mature people. I was simply bringing up my concern over the increasing toxicity of loud minority in the SJW/LGBT++ community and how it harms the cause and makes people and possibly even devs not want to care anymore. No one wants to cater and communicate with toxic assholes after all. 
I guess I worded my post a bit awkwardly but I didn't mean the sort of behaviour I was talking bout was okay for anyone. It's just that the most recent big pool of negativity I witnessed first hand happened to be LGBT people and MEA. In my eyes the people participating in that particular toxicity were as bad as the people involved in the Jennifer Hepler and the animator woman cases. I don't discriminate when it comes to noticing bad behaviour.

Yes this is off-topic with regards to it not being a tweet but it's very much relevant to the tweet thread about negativity in gaming communities.


I think there was a language barrier issue somewhere in here or I'm just bad at explaining things. I fo sho never said a specific group of people was THE problem. Unless you mean toxic people. In which case. How are toxic behaviour not the problem when it comes to negativity and toxicity on the internet?

Patrick just keeps digging himself into a deeper hole.

He does have a point tho.

Whether we like it or not we ARE grouped with the bad - what toxic part of community does affects all of us, especially in a world that usually reacts allergically to new technologies or medias and seek to discredit them. We have to recognize and acknowledge the problem in order to effectively address it, because it's not going to patch itself on its own. You don't let the tumor grow in you - you cut it out.

Diagnosis is not termination.

What did Patrick say?

Patrick Weekes did say that he is part of the community, so apparently he diagnosed himself as cancer too. This isn't "us vs them", this is "we have a problem and it's time to try and find treatment".

I think he just meant he tries not to be toxic.

Please read more carefully what he said: "It isn't about whether everyone in the community is toxic. Of course they aren't. I'm in the community, and I try not to be."

He said he tries not to be toxic, not that he 'tries not to be in the community'.

This isn't just a diagnosis. It's a diagnosis, telling the patient that it's a lifestyle issue and that they need to deal with it, the patient looks at you desperately and asks "BUT HOW?!" and you sort of just shrug and smile vacantly and then tell them they really need to acknowledge the problem and do something to address it as you usher them out of the office.