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Post by Hrungr on Oct 17, 2017 16:13:53 GMT
Emily pentapod "Now I know about the trees, I need to take some time to explore my tree options" #overheardintheoffice [HASH]DAT
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Oct 17, 2017 16:54:16 GMT
Emily pentapod "Now I know about the trees, I need to take some time to explore my tree options" #overheardintheoffice Trees in Dragon Age confirmed! On a more serious note, does this mean that they are nailing down the skill trees now?
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 17, 2017 17:03:23 GMT
Emily pentapod "Now I know about the trees, I need to take some time to explore my tree options" #overheardintheoffice Trees in Dragon Age confirmed! On a more serious note, does this mean that they are nailing down the skill trees now? What if it's about Sylvans? Or places like Tirashan? Or apparent elvhen tree cult?
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 17, 2017 17:10:46 GMT
Or maybe they're just talking about planting trees in RL.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 17, 2017 17:21:07 GMT
Or maybe they're just talking about planting trees in RL. Did tree-planting replace axe-throwing?
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Post by llandwynwyn on Oct 17, 2017 18:24:28 GMT
Hey, nice tux Mike! And... uh... my condolences as well? Reading this thread casually...I gasped irl, and someone just asked me if I was ok.
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Post by Avejajed on Oct 17, 2017 18:31:31 GMT
Or maybe they're just talking about planting trees in RL. Killjoy.
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 17, 2017 22:20:08 GMT
maker no @dragonagehell @mike_Laidlaw question! In Trespasser, did the "disband" option mean continuing work as a separate but still sovereign entity or nah?
Mike Laidlaw @mike_Laidlaw Disband meant going small and underground.
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 17, 2017 23:00:27 GMT
Mehrian Hawke @mehrianhawkeNo need to caption this, yes? @davidgaider @feliciaday @biomarkdarrah @mike_Laidlaw Ph: Old Pen Holder #cosplay #hawkeno pbs.twimg.com/media/DMXTuCUWAAE4a_A.jpg Scary Kirby @biomarykirby At least she died... at Chateau Haine. [HASH]DAT
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 18, 2017 1:38:39 GMT
Kurisumasu 🌐 @king_Kurisumasu@caseydhudson @xboxp3 @ea @bioware DiscoBabaloo @biomarkdarrah Can Dragon Age 2 be made backwards compatible on Xbox One????????? Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrahIt could happen. I am not aware of it ATM [HASH]DAT
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 18, 2017 1:59:24 GMT
Jane Ng @thatjaneng (from Campo Santo) I guess I'm in the minority of folks who really don't give a shit about my games being services. just give me a good finite single player experience.
Spoooooky Sylvf @sylvf1 Weird thing is I don't know ANYONE excited about games as a service. They like games they play with friends (Destiny, Overwatch, WOW, CoD). I guess someone might argue that's just a terminology difference because those are games-as-services with "infinite" gameplay loops.
Jane NgVerified @thatjaneng I guess you can argue something like the Sims is a successful “service” in that there is always new content you can get? And that’s single player
Spoooooky Sylvf @sylv Yeah, I think it's the result of this weird confluence between business-speak and gaming genres. Which are byzantine to normal people. I tried to explain to a family member what an MMORPG was in succinct terms and just gave up.
Jane NgVerified @thatjaneng I can barely describe what a MOBA is and I think that as a term is dead already
Spoooooky Sylvf @sylvf1 Haha it took me a full 20 seconds to remember what that acronym stood for.
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Post by melbella on Oct 18, 2017 2:05:50 GMT
Depends what people prefer. Do you do Netflix for streaming content whenever, or by a single DVD for something you really like? The two aren't mutually exclusive, since you can do both, but some people prefer one over the other. I'm a DVD person. If I buy it, I don't want to have to keep buying it in perpetuity for the same experience.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 18, 2017 2:14:19 GMT
Depends what people prefer. Do you do Netflix for streaming content whenever, or by a single DVD for something you really like? The two aren't mutually exclusive, since you can do both, but some people prefer one over the other. I'm a DVD person. If I buy it, I don't want to have to keep buying it in perpetuity for the same experience. It's not a good analogy. It's not like owning something versus renting/subscribing. Plus, the basis of game-as-service idea is not keeping buying in perpetuity for the same experience - is pretty much the exact opposite: it means upgrading and expanding, which changes the product and therefore expands its longevity. Think of DAI or MEA and how aside from patching bugs they've also added various improvements. Or think of Skyrim and how the modding community keeps it alive till today - seems publishers want to tap into that kind of phenomenon.
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 18, 2017 2:25:07 GMT
Robert Spookes💀 @sphynxian That reminds me @davidgaider, who the hell is responsible for the FINE DWARVEN CRAFTS line? Because they deserve a medal.
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Post by melbella on Oct 18, 2017 2:26:01 GMT
I don't pay for patches or mods, so that analogy doesn't work either. If I buy a DLC, it's just like the original game: a discrete, self-contained product. Once the game is patched, it's done. I can play it forever and not have to buy it again or pay for the privilege of doing so as a "service."
Until they turn everything into online only pay to play abominations. At which point I'll just stick to games I already have.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 18, 2017 2:33:23 GMT
I don't pay for patches or mods, so that analogy doesn't work either. If I buy a DLC, it's just like the original game: a discrete, self-contained product. Once the game is patched, it's done. I can play it forever and not have to buy it again or pay for the privilege of doing so as a "service." Where do you keep getting the idea that you have to buy it again?? You yourself said that you're not paying for patches or mods or treat DLCs as self-contained products - but all of those are 'games-as-service' content. Continuously upgrading the base experience, free of charge or not. The idea is that support for game and content produced for it will simply last longer and be more deliberate.
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Post by melbella on Oct 18, 2017 2:49:03 GMT
I view a SP game or a dlc for it as a product, not a service. To me, a service is an ongoing thing that you have to keep paying for to access, like SWTOR or WoW. It sounds like you do not, which is why do not agree with what I'm saying.
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Post by ellawyn on Oct 18, 2017 2:49:03 GMT
Yeah, I think the "Games as service" talk doesn't scare people because they think it means "Multiplayer-only" (Although I'm sure that's part of it.) but because they hear "games as service" and think "something that you don't own, but essentially rent, and will have to continually pay in order to use."
Is that a bit alarmist? Maybe. We don't know how this philosophy would be enacted, or what business models it will lead to. Maybe people are making mountains out of mole hills. I'm sure that, under this model, some kind of free content will exist. I don't doubt that. But that's nowhere near the end of it. DLC, micro-transactions, lootboxes - in extreme cases, a straight-up subscription fee. I think that's the worst-case scenario that people are getting worked up over. Because that's the whole problem with treating it as a service, not a product. You can own a product. You can't own a service, anymore than you can own a waiter or a masseuse.
Personally, though, I don't really care. Talk is just talk, and no one (Outside the company, at least) knows what it's going to end up looking like. I'll pick up my pitchfork if I see EA announce the next Dragon Age comes with a monthly subscription fee. But right now, I don't see the point in getting worked up about a bunch of vague PR nonsense.
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Post by phoray on Oct 18, 2017 3:14:35 GMT
Robert Spookes💀 @sphynxianThat reminds me @davidgaider, who the hell is responsible for the FINE DWARVEN CRAFTS line? Because they deserve a medal. David Gaider @davidgaiderI'm not sure, to be honest. Maybe @biomarykirby? Scary Kirby @biomarykirby My one regret is that I did not have Gorim shout that even more. I'm pretty sure that phrase has been used as a meme as well.
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Post by rras1994 on Oct 18, 2017 8:23:13 GMT
I view a SP game or a dlc for it as a product, not a service. To me, a service is an ongoing thing that you have to keep paying for to access, like SWTOR or WoW. It sounds like you do not, which is why do not agree with what I'm saying. But that is how EA is defining a live service, they are including their single player games. Look at The Sims, EA refers to it as a "live service" which means that in addition to selling packs they add stuff for free through patches (I'm assuming this development is paid through the different pack sales), like just yesterday they added new items in game through patch for Diwali. They've also done bigger free patches like toddlers (which could be argued should have been part of basegame but are honestly the most developed toddlers I've ever seen in a Sims game) and the gender patch which basicallly allowed you to use any clothes/hairstyles on either male or female sims and also the ability to create transgender sims. Tbh, it's only seemed to have benefit the player base and they have a group of devs kept around just to develop this live service. Though it appears that this iteration of The Sims may last longer than the other iterations due to this live service so they won't be making a Sims 5 anytime soon. I much prefer this way as it's actually nickeled and dimed us less as they got rid of the Sims Store in this iteration (you had to pay A LOT of money to get anything in the Sims Store). You don't have to buy each pack either and some improvements will make it into your game regardless. I don't know how they'd be able to apply this service to a BioWare game but I'd be interested to see. If it allows them to keep adding story updates without having to wait years between new games I'd be all for it. The wait for DA4 is slowly driving me mad. (Note: I'm not saying you have to like the live service trend but just pointing out that it doesn't actually mean MMO, there are service models for single player games currently being used for EA. Though, I would also say that the new Battlefront 2 is also an example of a live service with it's free dlc updates that presumely the development of which would be paid by the Lootbox purchases. Even in MMOs these days most of the money isn't coming from subscription, it's coming from cash shops. Like in SWTOR in the Cartel Market which is mostly just aesthetic things your buying.)
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Post by Fredward on Oct 18, 2017 11:38:37 GMT
So PWeekes hasn't said anything on Twitter since Mike left, good/indifferent/bad/terrifying?
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 18, 2017 11:49:12 GMT
So PWeekes hasn't said anything on Twitter since Mike left, good/indifferent/bad/terrifying? I don't think we can tell either way. But his wife is active and not writing anything alarming, and the one time she's shown text message conversation with him, he told her he was writing. Most-his co-workers are active too, and Epler joked that after Mike's departure he's Weekes' new OTP and they need a name for the pairing. Maybe he just needs some time off to sort things out. Maybe he just needs to focus on something. Or maybe he's in a bad mood and it has little to do with work. He expressed that US politics has made him grumpy before he switched off and he also mentioned having family in the area that is now devastated by those large wildfires in California. That, I guess, would be enough of a reason to not be in a mood for Twitter.
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Post by melbella on Oct 18, 2017 12:58:02 GMT
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Post by ellawyn on Oct 18, 2017 15:28:50 GMT
Twitter itself is a good enough reason to not be in the mood for Twitter.
You ever been on that site? It's exhausting.
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