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Post by Avejajed on Dec 20, 2017 16:56:19 GMT
So, am I the only one that's interested in Anthem? No. But there likely is not a lot of crossover in the DA fandom. There might be more people in the ME fandom that are interested since it's a futuristic shooter. But for DA? Many of us want a strong singleplayer experience, with a good story, a character we create and customize, and roleplay elements. As far as we know, that is not Anthem, nor anywhere near what Anthem is promising to be. For many DA fans, it's just a thing that's standing in the way of DA4 development; even worse, if it fails, it could mean bad things for Bioware, the future of the company, and DA as a franchise. ME is on indefinite hiatus and many regard it as dead. We'd rather not see the same fate for DA as a result of a totally unrelated game developed by the same studio. And whether accurate or not, some ME fans also place blame on Anthem for taking resources away from MEA development. There is a lot of bitterness from the ME and DA fandoms toward Anthem. (I obviously don't speak for all DA fans, only myself and those I know who have made similar comments.) I think this is pretty spot on. I'm a firm DA fan with little interest in ME, much less Anthem. I want Anthem to do well only for the sake of Dragon Age. I'd be devastated if they killed DA.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 20, 2017 17:21:00 GMT
No. But there likely is not a lot of crossover in the DA fandom. There might be more people in the ME fandom that are interested since it's a futuristic shooter. But for DA? Many of us want a strong singleplayer experience, with a good story, a character we create and customize, and roleplay elements. As far as we know, that is not Anthem, nor anywhere near what Anthem is promising to be. Still kinda hoping Anthem will have those things, and all the writer tweets give me some hope, but more or less yes.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 20, 2017 17:21:47 GMT
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 20, 2017 17:29:59 GMT
Still kinda hoping Anthem will have those things, and all the writer tweets give me some hope, but more or less yes. I was originally going to put this in the post, but decided not to since it would be moving away from the scope of the question. The gameplay preview we saw at E3 didn't help matters since the MP/co-op and "adventuring with friends" was heavily emphasized, to the exclusion of all else. I recall that we did see one NPC interaction, but that was bare-bones "here's a quest, go kill stuff" type of thing, rather than any sort of story development. I know it's still in development, but what they decided to show does have meaning as well, and to me it says that it is an "adventuring with friends" game, light on story and character development, which doesn't appeal to me in the least. When it comes down to it, the heavy focus on MP is the biggest detractor for me.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 20, 2017 17:42:46 GMT
Still kinda hoping Anthem will have those things, and all the writer tweets give me some hope, but more or less yes. I was originally going to put this in the post, but decided not to since it would be moving away from the scope of the question. The gameplay preview we saw at E3 didn't help matters since the MP/co-op and "adventuring with friends" was heavily emphasized, to the exclusion of all else. I recall that we did see one NPC interaction, but that was bare-bones "here's a quest, go kill stuff" type of thing, rather than any sort of story development. I know it's still in development, but what they decided to show does have meaning as well, and to me it says that it is an "adventuring with friends" game, light on story and character development, which doesn't appeal to me in the least. When it comes down to it, the heavy focus on MP is the biggest detractor for me. The NPC interaction was the very first thing we saw. That's significant, regardless how 'bare-bones' it was - in fact, how it was supposed to be anything else, considering that clearly don't yet want to reveal much about the story and setting? I find criticizing that the first demo that introduces the new IP based on lack of 'meaningful story development' as strange, especially considering that story development without context would not serve much purpose, aside from confusing people.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 20, 2017 17:46:25 GMT
Still kinda hoping Anthem will have those things, and all the writer tweets give me some hope, but more or less yes. I was originally going to put this in the post, but decided not to since it would be moving away from the scope of the question. The gameplay preview we saw at E3 didn't help matters since the MP/co-op and "adventuring with friends" was heavily emphasized, to the exclusion of all else. I recall that we did see one NPC interaction, but that was bare-bones "here's a quest, go kill stuff" type of thing, rather than any sort of story development. I know it's still in development, but what they decided to show does have meaning as well, and to me it says that it is an "adventuring with friends" game, light on story and character development, which doesn't appeal to me in the least. When it comes down to it, the heavy focus on MP is the biggest detractor for me. I suppose I don’t give the demo too much weight. Or rather, I see it as more indicative of what demographic they are trying to reach in that particular instance rather than what type of game it will end up being. That introduction was clearly aimed at the Destiny crowd (or former Destiny crowd, given the current state of that fan base). There’s a trend I’ve noticed in Bioware marketing: it’s always aimed at groups outside the core fan base almost regardless of the actual game content. So I guess I’m just keeping an open mind at this point about what Anthem will turn out to be. I will note though that the lack of characterization in the PC (mostly due to turning them into a silent protagonist in the second game) and lackluster storytelling has been a constant criticism of each Destiny release among its fan base . So I think Anthem will be looking to beat its competition in that area.
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Post by wright1978 on Dec 20, 2017 18:05:48 GMT
I think this is pretty spot on. I'm a firm DA fan with little interest in ME, much less Anthem. I want Anthem to do well only for the sake of Dragon Age. I'd be devastated if they killed DA. Like ME but no interest in anthem and hope it does averagely. Not badly enough that it bombs but not so well that they take it as a cue for further divestment from their traditional single player model.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 20, 2017 18:14:41 GMT
The NPC interaction was the very first thing we saw. That's significant, regardless how 'bare-bones' it was - in fact, how it was supposed to be anything else, considering that clearly don't yet want to reveal much about the story and setting? I find criticizing that the first demo that introduces the new IP based on lack of 'meaningful story development' as strange, especially considering that story development without context would not serve much purpose, aside from confusing people. We'll just have to disagree. [edit] Why do I keep seeing the dates on quoted posts as being from August?? o_O This one says August 2, 2016.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 20, 2017 18:26:54 GMT
The NPC interaction was the very first thing we saw. That's significant, regardless how 'bare-bones' it was - in fact, how it was supposed to be anything else, considering that clearly don't yet want to reveal much about the story and setting? I find criticizing that the first demo that introduces the new IP based on lack of 'meaningful story development' as strange, especially considering that story development without context would not serve much purpose, aside from confusing people. We'll just have to disagree. [edit] Why do I keep seeing the dates on quoted posts as being from August?? o_O This one says August 2, 2016. Oh no! My experiments with time travel have been exposed!
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 20, 2017 20:31:16 GMT
I'd rather they do this than have to wait another five years after Anthem comes out. Especially since as far as I'm concerned, Anthem is That Thing That Will Make Enough Money To Keep Bioware's Doors Open So They Can Finish DA4™. Pretty much. Fixed it for you vertigomez.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 20, 2017 20:36:54 GMT
I think this is pretty spot on. I'm a firm DA fan with little interest in ME, much less Anthem. I want Anthem to do well only for the sake of Dragon Age. I'd be devastated if they killed DA. Like ME but no interest in anthem and hope it does averagely. Not badly enough that it bombs but not so well that they take it as a cue for further divestment from their traditional single player model. Sadly, the AAA industry is polarizing and "averagely" is the same as bombing. For whatever reason, AAA publishers only want to support ginormous cash cows and leave everything else to niche and indie developers. The Venn Diagram overlap between AAA games and story-driven SP RPG is getting narrower and narrower every year. It might just be CDPR before long. Example of polarization: www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-26-tomb-raider-has-sold-3-4-million-copies-failed-to-hit-expectations
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 20, 2017 20:39:37 GMT
Mneh. If it's too successful, they might decide that's where the money is and dig their heels in on all this multiplayer, co-op, online gaming stuff. Or focus on Anthem sequels. Ick.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 20, 2017 20:42:24 GMT
Yep. As they've been working on Anthem since 2012, I have no doubt this is going to be the most expensive game they've ever made. It really needs to do well.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 20, 2017 20:54:44 GMT
Mneh. If it's too successful, they might decide that's where the money is and dig their heels in on all this multiplayer, co-op, online gaming stuff. Or focus on Anthem sequels. Ick. Depending on who you mean by "they," that decision has already been made. It all boils down to this: does EA consider Bioware's singular story-driven SP game development expertise a competitive business advantage or not? I think the answer is Yes and I think Anthem will prove that out, but I might be wrong, and that is very troubling.
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 20, 2017 21:02:04 GMT
What's to be excited about Anthem? We've seen one video and the setting was kinda generic by sci-fi standards. Even the name is sort of uninspired.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 20, 2017 21:02:04 GMT
Yep. As they've been working on Anthem since 2012, I have no doubt this is going to be the most expensive game they've ever made. It really needs to do well. ...they've been at it that long? That's ridiculous.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 20, 2017 21:09:06 GMT
Mneh. If it's too successful, they might decide that's where the money is and dig their heels in on all this multiplayer, co-op, online gaming stuff. Or focus on Anthem sequels. Ick. For me it's 'potayto, potahto' sort of distinction. If SP games will keep earning less and less money across the industry, the result will be the same, regardless of whether Anthem fails or not. If such is the case, experimenting with MP formats and finding those that make games sustainable/successful, while still remaining a platform for meaningful SP content is a thing I'd do rather than wishing them failure...
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 20, 2017 21:55:44 GMT
...they've been at it that long? That's ridiculous. Not really. DAO as a new IP was in development for six years. Seems like it will be similar for Anthem if it's released next year.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Dec 20, 2017 21:57:53 GMT
...they've been at it that long? That's ridiculous. Not really. DAO as a new IP was in development for six years. Seems like it will be similar for Anthem if it's released next year. Wasn't Mass Effect a similar length as well?
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 20, 2017 22:00:38 GMT
...they've been at it that long? That's ridiculous. Not really. DAO as a new IP was in development for six years. Seems like it will be similar for Anthem if it's released next year. That's ridiculous for any game. Technology changes dramatically over that time span, they're just shooting themselves in the foot. There's got to be a better way of doing things.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Dec 20, 2017 22:10:24 GMT
Not really. DAO as a new IP was in development for six years. Seems like it will be similar for Anthem if it's released next year. That's ridiculous for any game. Technology changes dramatically over that time span, they're just shooting themselves in the foot. There's got to be a better way of doing things. Well, there must be something if EA is willing to let go on this long. Hell, Visceral's Star Wars game apparently had a very short leash...we didn't even get to see a proper gameplay demo.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 20, 2017 22:10:34 GMT
Not really. DAO as a new IP was in development for six years. Seems like it will be similar for Anthem if it's released next year. That's ridiculous for any game. Technology changes dramatically over that time span, they're just shooting themselves in the foot. There's got to be a better way of doing things. I'm not sure I agree. Yes, technology is moving forward... but so does the ways and technology with which people develop games. AFAIK, game engines alone are different compared to what they were before and a lot more flexible. So it's more a matter of asking whether they just stick to stuff they've been planning all those 6 years ago, or are they upgrading everything - or trying something new. I suppose we can only wait and see. Either way, whether they were stuck with old tech or not, both DA and ME are now popular, well-liked franchises... so it did pay off in the end.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 20, 2017 22:17:58 GMT
...they've been at it that long? That's ridiculous. Not really. DAO as a new IP was in development for six years. Seems like it will be similar for Anthem if it's released next year. Yep and SWTOR was also in development for 5 years, so it's really not that unusual for a game of that size, specially a new IP
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 20, 2017 22:22:38 GMT
That's ridiculous for any game. Technology changes dramatically over that time span, they're just shooting themselves in the foot. There's got to be a better way of doing things. Well, there must be something if EA is willing to let go on this long. Hell, Visceral's Star Wars game apparently had a very short leash...we didn't even get to see a proper gameplay demo. If anything Visceral's game should have been killed lomg before it actually was - they had 3 years and didn't have a proper gameplay demo made at that point. It was Disney the one with the tight leash, every design had to be okayed by them and it could take months to get approval. It made an already shakey development so much worse. Luckily Anthem is their own IP so they at least won't have those problems.
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