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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 3:34:52 GMT
Krista D. Ball @kristadb1The elven library is so sad. pbs.twimg.com/media/DSQluNGU8AAvjkP.jpg Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesThe deep roads were @biomarykirby, and the elven ruins I THINK were @bbattye on writing side? Shattered Library was all @sylvf1. (At leash on writing, can’t remember all level devs.) Krista D. Ball @kristadb1The Library, for me, was the "oh shit" moment. Where I realized what has truly been lost. I mean, sure, elves excelled at poverty, but to truly see how the world had changed. It was shocking to imagine. Well done Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesExcellent! That was the goal. Give you a glimpse of how majestic the elven empire was once upon a time, so you saw what was lost. Also, @sylvf1 added the Dark Souls-style “Behind You” warning, because she loves those games a lot. Sylvf @sylvf1I actually think that was our level designer! The very first elven ruins you encounter through the mirror, out in the mountains (there were a lot of ruins) was also me. [HASH]DAT
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Krista D. Ball @kristadb1And then the most heartbreaking, frustrating scene of the entire game: pbs.twimg.com/media/DSQ7I48VAAEBqlt.jpgJosie realizes she had been working hard, assuming everyone was innocent, and realizing that the Inquisition was behaving badly. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesSo many great performances here. @simplyallegra in particular showed Josie’s disillusionment. Krista D. Ball @kristadb1I agree. Allegra truly voices Josie's loss of faith flawlessly here. Any failure to get that across and the scene would have fallen flat. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesYeah. We had to break the optimist to make it clear to the player that stuff had to change. We knew we wouldn’t get them in the combat finale (we tried to find ways, but it never fit), so this scene had to work as the last key moment for a Josie or Cullen romance, too. [HASH]DAT
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 30, 2017 3:43:20 GMT
"The Inquisition is hiding things" thing was completely fabricated and forced. If players had the choice to keep things hidden or tell what was going on would have been way less frustrating. Agree. It's especially contrary to my previously established roleplay of telling the truth. I had Josephine tell the truth about being the Herald, I had Cassandra tell the truth about the Fade, I told the truth about Ameridan. I don't recall if there is anything else... I think some war table missions might have had some elements of that as well. I also had a diplomatic Inquisition, as I use Josephine far more than the other two on the war table even when it was inconvenient and caused many hours of waiting. I made those choices on purpose. Then Trespasser comes along and says, "Fuck your choices." It's one of the reasons I dislike Trespasser. The writers took the Inquisition and made it as they wanted it to be, not how I designed it to be from my own deeds. It's one thing to have that in a following game where the previous game and characters are no longer in your control (Warden, Hawke), but we were still playing DAI and our Inquisitor. By that point, the only real control over the fate of the Inquisition I had as the Inquisitor and player was to disband, so I took it.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 30, 2017 3:44:12 GMT
"The Inquisition is hiding things" thing was completely fabricated and forced. If players had the choice to keep things hidden or tell what was going on would have been way less frustrating. As it is, we only get the option at the end, right before heading to Vir Dirthara, when it doesn't even matter anymore. IMO it wouldn't matter in the end - whether we hid things or not, we'd still be controlling the narrative (of the meeting) to our advantage just due to seer size and influence. The bigger point is that others have reasons to fear Inquisition, which is why Exalted Council was called in the first place.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 3:46:13 GMT
Krista D. Ball @kristadb1At this point, I truly was starting to worry that my Inquisitor might actually die. Until this moment, I was sure she would make it. Then, this moment was when I wasn't sure anymore. Which is why this scene is so powerful: pbs.twimg.com/media/DSQ76OnUEAEG7uw.jpgpbs.twimg.com/media/DSQ78R9UQAANFoL.jpg Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesI will never not have a sneaky-guilty-pleased feeling about having gotten that line in. I kept looking around like, “Is NOBODY gonna stop me?” [HASH]DAT
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Post by cmoe on Dec 30, 2017 3:48:19 GMT
As someone who doesn't do twittery stuff, should I know who Krista Ball is?
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Post by melbella on Dec 30, 2017 3:49:01 GMT
We (the player/Inquisitor) never controlled the meeting. There was no "Council." We were called to be judged, plain and simple, and were not allowed to present any defense. What we did all game long didn't matter for shit.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 30, 2017 3:50:53 GMT
We (the player/Inquisitor) never controlled the meeting. There was no "Council." We were called to be judged, plain and simple, and were not allowed to present any defense. What we did all game long didn't matter for shit. This is why I will basically ignore Trespasser until I have to play it again before the hypothetical next game. I have no desire to ever see it again, but I will to refresh my brain before the next game is released.
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Post by melbella on Dec 30, 2017 3:51:24 GMT
As someone who doesn't do twittery stuff, should I know who Krista Ball is?
I think she's just someone playing Trespasser for the first time and twittering all about it. Some people like attention.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 30, 2017 3:52:20 GMT
Agree. It's especially contrary to my previously established roleplay of telling the truth. I had Josephine tell the truth about being the Herald, I had Cassandra tell the truth about the Fade, I told the truth about Ameridan. I don't recall if there is anything else... I think some war table missions might have had some elements of that as well. I also had a diplomatic Inquisition, as I use Josephine far more than the other two on the war table even when it was inconvenient and caused many hours of waiting. I made those choices on purpose. Then Trespasser comes along and says, "Fuck your choices." It's one of the reasons I dislike Trespasser. The writers took the Inquisition and made it as they wanted it to be, not how I designed it to be from my own deeds. It's one thing to have that in a following game where the previous game and characters are no longer in your control (Warden, Hawke), but we were still playing DAI and our Inquisitor. By that point, the only real control over the fate of the Inquisition I had as the Inquisitor and player was to disband, so I took it. Well, that was sort of the point. We can't control everything - and the control over Inquisition starts to slip away from our grasp, hence stuff like infiltration.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 30, 2017 3:53:10 GMT
We (the player/Inquisitor) never controlled the meeting. There was no "Council." We were called to be judged, plain and simple, and were not allowed to present any defense. What we did all game long didn't matter for shit. Sort of the point.
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Post by melbella on Dec 30, 2017 3:53:16 GMT
We (the player/Inquisitor) never controlled the meeting. There was no "Council." We were called to be judged, plain and simple, and were not allowed to present any defense. What we did all game long didn't matter for shit. This is why I will basically ignore Trespasser until I have to play it again before the hypothetical next game. I have no desire to ever see it again, but I will to refresh my brain before the next game is released.
I love pretty much everything about it except the Council part. Though, telling them all off at the end is pretty satisfying.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 3:55:34 GMT
As someone who doesn't do twittery stuff, should I know who Krista Ball is? I don't know much other than she's an author (not BioWare though) and fan. I've seen her name come up pretty regularly on Twitter...
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 30, 2017 3:56:10 GMT
Well, that was sort of the point. We can't control everything - and the control over Inquisition starts to slip away from our grasp, hence stuff like infiltration. Perhaps they could have gotten it across better without making me feel like shit about my ineffectual Inquisitor.
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Post by melbella on Dec 30, 2017 3:57:57 GMT
Agree. It's especially contrary to my previously established roleplay of telling the truth. I had Josephine tell the truth about being the Herald, I had Cassandra tell the truth about the Fade, I told the truth about Ameridan. I don't recall if there is anything else... I think some war table missions might have had some elements of that as well. I also had a diplomatic Inquisition, as I use Josephine far more than the other two on the war table even when it was inconvenient and caused many hours of waiting. I made those choices on purpose. Then Trespasser comes along and says, "Fuck your choices." It's one of the reasons I dislike Trespasser. The writers took the Inquisition and made it as they wanted it to be, not how I designed it to be from my own deeds. It's one thing to have that in a following game where the previous game and characters are no longer in your control (Warden, Hawke), but we were still playing DAI and our Inquisitor. By that point, the only real control over the fate of the Inquisition I had as the Inquisitor and player was to disband, so I took it. Well, that was sort of the point. We can't control everything - and the control over Inquisition starts to slip away from our grasp, hence stuff like infiltration.
There's a huge difference between things "slipping away" and things "taken away by writer fiat." Unfortunately, Trespasser follows the latter path. What we did in the game didn't matter. All roads lead to the same place, whether you are a paragon goody two shoes or a raving power hungry lunatic. At least if I played the latter type of character, the Council's stance would have been justified.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 3:59:20 GMT
Krista D. Ball @kristadb1I love this line because you know she's about to shout WHEN I'M DEAD at them. She holds back, but... pbs.twimg.com/media/DSQ8W-iU8AIsntC.jpgSo it makes the hug FROM HER HUSBAND all the more heartbreaking. At that moment, I was convinced she was going to die or be asked to sacrifice herself. And I was emotionally preparing myself for it. pbs.twimg.com/media/DSQ8rYqVAAAtlul.jpg Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesAlso, again, @eplerjc with the hug. There were like a zillion reasons it was too expensive to do and broke the scene blocking, and he made it work anyway. [HASH]DAT
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Post by cmoe on Dec 30, 2017 4:00:28 GMT
As someone who doesn't do twittery stuff, should I know who Krista Ball is? I don't know much other than she's an author (not BioWare though) and fan. I've seen her name come up pretty regularly on Twitter... I was just surprised to see so many responses from Weekes. I wasn't sure if it was an interview of sorts. I'm old, twitter stuff is just too confusing.
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Post by melbella on Dec 30, 2017 4:02:43 GMT
Hmm, I think she stole one of my Inquistors....
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 30, 2017 4:05:11 GMT
Well, that was sort of the point. We can't control everything - and the control over Inquisition starts to slip away from our grasp, hence stuff like infiltration. Perhaps they could have gotten it across better without making me feel like shit about my ineffectual Inquisitor. Personally, I don't have such feelings, because I don't mind my character being overburdened by a situation sometimes, etc. It's hard to feel drama when we're at control at all times. And while in base game we've dealt with a whopper of a situation that sort of fell on our back, in Trespasser we're starting to deal with problems that come from within, which I sort of considered inevitable, given the quick rise to power and sheer size or mandate given by populace. I've been sort of waiting for it since Cassandra asked whether there's a possibility that we might end up like basically every other organization out there and I said that yea - we might.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 4:07:20 GMT
I don't know much other than she's an author (not BioWare though) and fan. I've seen her name come up pretty regularly on Twitter... I was just surprised to see so many responses from Weekes. I wasn't sure if it was an interview of sorts. I'm old, twitter stuff is just too confusing. Patrick's definitely been a roll the last couple of nights. They're (at least) acquainted through Twitter and I think with Patrick on holidays, he's had the time to dive into this.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 30, 2017 4:08:11 GMT
Well, that was sort of the point. We can't control everything - and the control over Inquisition starts to slip away from our grasp, hence stuff like infiltration. There's a huge difference between things "slipping away" and things "taken away by writer fiat." Unfortunately, Trespasser follows the latter path. What we did in the game didn't matter. All roads lead to the same place, whether you are a paragon goody two shoes or a raving power hungry lunatic. At least if I played the latter type of character, the Council's stance would have been justified.
Things are not guaranteed to go to a different place regardless whether a person is a goody two shoes or not. We've seen this IRL.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 4:09:12 GMT
Krista D. Ball @kristadb1My inquisitor screaming on the bridge, though. That...worried me a lot. pbs.twimg.com/media/DSRAkyBU8AA-L_4.jpg Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes@biomarykirby wrote this part. She is REALLY GOOD at amping up tension. [HASH]DAT
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 30, 2017 4:12:05 GMT
Patrick's definitely been a roll the last couple of nights. I'll always enjoy learning more about the process of development (especially of stuff I like) and I also hope this trip down the memory lane inspires good feelings in Mr. Weekes and helps him overcome any hurdles when writing next DA
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Post by melbella on Dec 30, 2017 4:13:27 GMT
There's a huge difference between things "slipping away" and things "taken away by writer fiat." Unfortunately, Trespasser follows the latter path. What we did in the game didn't matter. All roads lead to the same place, whether you are a paragon goody two shoes or a raving power hungry lunatic. At least if I played the latter type of character, the Council's stance would have been justified.
Things are not guaranteed to go to a different place regardless whether a person is a goody two shoes or not. We've seen this IRL. I really don't want my games to be like real life....that's the point of playing them.
Again, the issue is choice. If my bad choices come back to bite me in the ass, that's on me. If my good choices don't mean squat, why even bother?
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 4:17:04 GMT
Krista D. Ball @kristadb1AND THEN THE SCENE THAT BROKE SO MANY PLAYERS INCLUDING @mostlybree pbs.twimg.com/media/DSRC5w6UEAETZhY.jpg Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesThis whole scene almost didn’t happen. Brad Paras, an amazing level designer, went with me through permutations of Loyal Bull/Betraying Bull-In Party/Not In Party to make it all happen. Bree (&🐕) @mostlybreeGo Brad, you destroyed my life but it was SKILLFULLY DONE. I did wonder what happened if you hadn't happened to bring him with you so I checked out YouTube and then also the romance option omg Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesPeople were like, so should he just be a normal bruiser enemy, and I said, no, give him all his abilities, I want them to feel BAD about this. [HASH]DAT
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