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Post by midnight tea on Dec 30, 2017 4:19:51 GMT
Things are not guaranteed to go to a different place regardless whether a person is a goody two shoes or not. We've seen this IRL. I really don't want my games to be like real life....that's the point of playing them.
Again, the issue is choice. If my bad choices come back to bite me in the ass, that's on me. If my good choices don't mean squat, why even bother?
Fairly certain that's the main point of the DLC Asking ourselves whether the whole sacrifice is worth it.
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Post by blighted on Dec 30, 2017 4:21:41 GMT
I'm living for all these tweets. I always love seeing people reacting to Trespasser, and getting some more insight from the devs is always welcome, especially since they've been rather (understandably) quiet lately
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 5:16:56 GMT
Krista D. Ball @kristadb1AND THEN THE SCENE THAT BROKE SO MANY PLAYERS INCLUDING @mostlybree Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesThis whole scene almost didn’t happen. Brad Paras, an amazing level designer, went with me through permutations of Loyal Bull/Betraying Bull-In Party/Not In Party to make it all happen. Bree (&🐕) @mostlybreeGo Brad, you destroyed my life but it was SKILLFULLY DONE. I did wonder what happened if you hadn't happened to bring him with you so I checked out YouTube and then also the romance option omg Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesPeople were like, so should he just be a normal bruiser enemy, and I said, no, give him all his abilities, I want them to feel BAD about this. Krista D. Ball @kristadb1The angry male inquisitor! Lying, manipulative bastard. And then his voice cracks and I just die. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesDid you hear the bit where the romancing Inquisitor says, “Katoh” to themselves after? That one was harsh. Krista D. Ball @kristadb1Oh god, yes. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesThat one, and Solas digging the knife in during one of his investigates if Bull turned on you. Among the meaner lines I’ve shipped. ( @pancheers KILLS Sarcastic Solas lines. Just drives them home hard.) Hrungr @hrungryIt was certainly a gut-punch when I first ran into the betrayal scene. But the *real* regret was crafting such high-end gear for him, and making him a sword & board TANK t'boot. (It was like trying whittle down your favorite tree with a spoon...) Bree (&🐕) @mostlybreeAnd then after that I had to go deal with that dragon with only Blackwall and Dorian and I couldn't get them to stay where I put them & chalked it up to shock and grief. Hrungr @hrungryI'm reflexively massaging my temples just *thinking* about managing that dragon fight shorthanded... Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesI mean, you’ve GOT levers and stuff. Hrungr @hrungryI think this succinctly sums up my actions in that battle... i.imgur.com/YnNSEI2.gifBree (&🐕) @mostlybreeYes but I couldn't get them to obey commands. LOL I think it was maybe glitching on me but I'll accept that murdering Bull undermined my authority. (I did finally get the levers but god DAMN those wandering fools kept running up to rejoin me) Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes
“Hey, if the player had Bull turn on them, should we add a party picker before the dragon, or...” “NOPE.”
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 5:29:29 GMT
Krista D. Ball @kristadb1At this stage, my inquisitor is completely out of control. pbs.twimg.com/media/DSRNrO9VQAA6R3k.jpg Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesThe various phases of the Mark went through a lot of iteration, but I love what daniel _Kading ended up with — useful at first, and then a final difficulty-add for folks who had mastered normal DAI combat. Krista D. Ball @kristadb1Yup! At first, it was like, oh cool, yeah...ok cool...um, DAFUQ IS WRONG WITH ME Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesDan also got us the Qunari enemy palette, which was HUGE for something we weren’t gonna use anywhere else, and worked with @eplerjc and me to make sure the core political angle of the plot made sense. Oh duh, correction. Dan oversaw Qunari, but @hanlsp actually made it GO. Especially the nasty Ben-Hassrath prowlers. seb hanlon🕚@hanlspI think @endlesspillows and #lukenotweet made most of the creatures in the palette; I only personally touched the Ashaad. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesAlso there was one glorious bug once where the mark kept building charge and detonating during the talk with Solas. Made THAT long talk hard to get through, I’ll tell you. [HASH]DAT
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Post by phoray on Dec 30, 2017 5:33:26 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesWe all wanted banter, but nobody could agree on how to make it fire and not get in the way of stuff. This was our compromise. I’m glad it worked for folks! I liked what they were going after!.... hated what it looked like, actually. Bright glowing shit floating in random places is distracting. Krista D. Ball @kristadb1The Inquisition has become a lot of what people were afraid of. It keeps secrets. I didn't WANT to keep that stuff secret. The game forced me to.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 5:40:32 GMT
Caitie ghildirthalenShattered Library was my favorite part of the whole series- so thank you for that! Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesIIRC, Francois Chaput was the level designer for that area, too. He made the amazing upside-down part, along with a lot of fiddle eluvian logic. Caitie ghildirthalenWell they also did an amazing job! I end up zooming around that place a lot with freecam- it's a beautiful area. Also- I've always wondered- did the Librarians have an elven name ? Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesI can’t remember. Sylvia? I do remember that she painstakingly figured out, “Please be quiet!” as their battle cry. [HASH]DAT
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Post by phoray on Dec 30, 2017 5:41:06 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesExcellent! That was the goal. Give you a glimpse of how majestic the elven empire was once upon a time, so you saw what was lost. I hope this isn't the only glimpse we get... I'm still hoping for a full blown interactive Fade Memory thing. Where are all the elves going that are still in uthenara? aren't they maintaining some sort of Fade Version of their empire collectively? GIVE ME Josie realizes she had been working hard, assuming everyone was innocent, and realizing that the Inquisition was behaving badly. HAHAHAAH not how I took this scene at all. honestly, I always found it a bit confusing. The Inquisitor and Cullen certainly weren't involved in the hiding of info, so this outburst is a passive yelling at the room very much pointed at the Murder Bard of "I want to strangle." Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesAlso, again, @eplerjc with the hug. There were like a zillion reasons it was too expensive to do and broke the scene blocking, and he made it work anyway. That HUG was SO NEEDED at THAT MOMENT. I only wish non advisors could have gotten something too, but man. My Cullen Hug. I ALSO thought myu Quiz would actually die my first time playing. Why not? You can kill the Warden
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 5:42:54 GMT
Krista D. Ball @kristadb1My favourite boss fight. The music was so epic. The inquisitor is basically falling apart. Bull has been shit talking all up until now the Qunari. It's the best. pbs.twimg.com/media/DSRQrf9UIAApIYN.jpg Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesYou can thank @roskelld for that fight (and design for this level, including eluvian-maze)! He really wanted to make your final fight memorable. And yeah, Bull is a trash-talker. [HASH]DAT
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Post by phoray on Dec 30, 2017 5:47:04 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesHere, found a screencap of old thread. LOL... but also, at this point, I'm not even sure we know Solas is definitely the bad guy, so why would the followers disapprove so much at this weird Qunari woman saying Solas is doing weird stuff and that we somehow work with him for Fen'harel...it was coming off as some real crazy WTF my first game. Krista D. Ball @kristadb1Yup! At first, it was like, oh cool, yeah...ok cool...um, DAFUQ IS WRONG WITH ME Totally happened to me. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesAlso there was one glorious bug once where the mark kept building charge and detonating during the talk with Solas. Made THAT long talk hard to get through, I’ll tell you. <iframe width="23.940000000000055" height="3.1000000000000085" style="position: absolute; width: 23.94px; height: 3.1px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: -1px; top: -2px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_23811687"></iframe> <iframe width="23.940000000000055" height="3.1000000000000085" style="position: absolute; width: 23.94px; height: 3.1px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1133px; top: -384px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_72228243"></iframe> <iframe width="23.940000000000055" height="3.1000000000000085" style="position: absolute; width: 23.94px; height: 3.1px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -282px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_44938135"></iframe> <iframe width="23.940000000000055" height="3.1000000000000085" style="position: absolute; width: 23.94px; height: 3.1px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1133px; top: -282px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_43732873"></iframe> OMG, I wish they had video of this, fuckin' hilarious.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 5:49:01 GMT
Krista D. Ball @kristadb1The finale now. pbs.twimg.com/media/DSRSfpIUQAAqISW.jpg Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesAgain, @eplerjc crushed this scene. All the facial expressions, the little movements. All of it. And @pancheers and the Inquisitors diving into the lines. Jessica🥂 Avejajed Patrick, you've got some people on the forums convinced your trip down memory lane with Krista means something terrible for a hypothetical DA4. Like you're all wistful and retrospective. Krista D. Ball @kristadb1"Krista is wistful and retrospective because she really loved this game and wanted a chance to share her thoughts with everyone again." Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesI am wistful and retrospective because, at the end of a hard year, it means something to me to look back and see that I was part of a team that made something that touched people. It’s been a couple of years now. It’s nice to be able to say, “Aw, that was funny. That made someone laugh. That bit was written well. This part caused some tears.” Krista D. Ball @kristadb1Plus, Patrick and I know each other IRL. So it's a chance for some good ol' fashion ribbing and exaggerated faux rage that doesn't end in meanness. And, honestly...it's been a hard year for a lot of people. It's a great chance for us to sit around & experience joy again. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesAnd also, for this scene more than any other, @genevrael to make sure the Solasmancer lines were the ones she’d want, and @bbattye for the lines that people who hate Solas would wanna say. IIRC, I made Solas speak English (or ship-language), elven, AND QUNLAT in this scene, because of course he would speak it just to show her he could. And GDL nailed it all. [HASH]DAT
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Post by Avejajed on Dec 30, 2017 5:51:41 GMT
Krista D. Ball @kristadb1The finale now. pbs.twimg.com/media/DSRSfpIUQAAqISW.jpg Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesAgain, @eplerjc crushed this scene. All the facial expressions, the little movements. All of it. And @pancheers and the Inquisitors diving into the lines. Jessica🥂 Avejajed Patrick, you've got some people on the forums convinced your trip down memory lane with Krista means something terrible for a hypothetical DA4. Like you're all wistful and retrospective. Krista D. Ball @kristadb1"Krista is wistful and retrospective because she really loved this game and wanted a chance to share her thoughts with everyone again." Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesI am wistful and retrospective because, at the end of a hard year, it means something to me to look back and see that I was part of a team that made something that touched people. It’s been a couple of years now. It’s nice to be able to say, “Aw, that was funny. That made someone laugh. That bit was written well. This part caused some tears.” Krista D. Ball @kristadb1Plus, Patrick and I know each other IRL. So it's a chance for some good ol' fashion ribbing and exaggerated faux rage that doesn't end in meanness. And, honestly...it's been a hard year for a lot of people. It's a great chance for us to sit around & experience joy again. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesAnd also, for this scene more than any other, @genevrael to make sure the Solasmancer lines were the ones she’d want, and @bbattye for the lines that people who hate Solas would wanna say. IIRC, I made Solas speak English (or ship-language), elven, AND QUNLAT in this scene, because of course he would speak it just to show her he could. And GDL nailed it all. Hope my comments here and his response helped soothe any fears.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 5:54:09 GMT
Krista D. Ball @kristadb1Well, at least he's finally told the truth about something. Fucking egghead. pbs.twimg.com/media/DSRVP2FU8AA5B0Y.jpg Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesYou know, he doesn’t lie OFTEN unless you count lies of omission or I dunno adding, “Uhhhh, I saw in the Fade.” Krista D. Ball @kristadb1Seriously, though, I thought he was going to chop my arm off and walk off with it right here. @patrickweekes Just FYI. pbs.twimg.com/media/DSRW6FsUEAAH3_o.jpg Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesI mean... he kinda DOES, but with magic. We just didn’t show the actual lopping. [HASH]DAT
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 5:58:00 GMT
Krista D. Ball @kristadb1I love this scene. until now, you're never sure. pbs.twimg.com/media/DSRXr9kUEAAVBks.jpg Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes“Talk to the hand. Oh wait. I gave that up. Saving the world. Again.” And boy, we workshopped the hell out of this scene. Me, @eplerjc, and @mike_Laidlaw hammering on the six options so that all of them were SOMEONE’s best line. Also, originally, it was a two-choice wheel: Disband or Peacekeepers. And then you could flavor. It was simpler, but people didn’t know you’d get the chance to pick a tone in a follow-up, so it hurt the moment. Also also, GAH, the shot of Cassandra’s face when the Inquisitor calls back to her line from DAI prologue. She could be in back or Divine. @eplerjc killed himself to sell her wistful smile there. [HASH]DAT
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 30, 2017 6:00:04 GMT
LOL... but also, at this point, I'm not even sure we know Solas is definitely the bad guy, so why would the followers disapprove so much at this weird Qunari woman saying Solas is doing weird stuff and that we somehow work with him for Fen'harel...it was coming off as some real crazy WTF my first game. I don't think it has anything to do with Solas's future plans. I took "the joke" as all the followers being like, "Girl, come on, now." If they know their friend was crushed and devastated at the end of the main game, to see her say, "I still love him!" after two years would be sad and disappointing because they care. In other words, it's basically like, "He treated you like shit, he doesn't deserve your love," kinda thing, which is understandable coming from her friends. I'm not sure I understand Cole's reaction, to be honest. While he might know that Solas does truly love her, that doesn't take away that his friend was deeply hurt by Solas.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 6:01:25 GMT
Krista D. Ball @kristadb1JUST WATCHING THE ENDING 😱😭😭😭😭😭 Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesSomeday, I will end an epilogue DLC without suggesting an “Ocean’s 11 at the Bellagio Fountain” shot. Not in Trespasser or Citadel, though! Waning Gibbous Games @gm_wggamesCare to bet on that? Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes...(sigh) No. I do go to my faves. [HASH]DAT
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 6:05:01 GMT
Krista D. Ball @kristadb1😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 pbs.twimg.com/media/DSRb_CTVoAATOEX.jpgpbs.twimg.com/media/DSRcBhpVQAA6E5P.jpg Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesOKAY. THESE CARDS. @mattrhodesart just makes awesome incredible shit super fast. Also? This was all, uh, totally fake. We had no system to make this work. We THOUGHT we did, but it turned out it had been hacked into DAI. So every card is Francois and @chrisdentwistle making the camera look at a piece of wall that has been told, “You now look like this epilogue card.” So they put in a TON of time making all of those things work, for which I will always be grateful, as I prefer to KNOW I am asking for something huge before we’re committed to it. [HASH]DAT
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 30, 2017 6:07:06 GMT
I'm not sure I understand Cole's reaction, to be honest. While he might know that Solas does truly love her, that doesn't take away that his friend was deeply hurt by Solas. Compassion happy someone is still feeling compassion for a person who may have made everyone else not care or be mad at him? Seems to make sense.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 30, 2017 6:11:03 GMT
So many great tweets, I don't even know where to begin to respond. I love that this person's playthrough is drawing out all sorts of comments from the devs. You can tell they put their heart and soul into this story.
I really loved Trespasser, as bittersweet as it was. Exactly what I thought would happen, happened. The Inquisition got too big to handle, became too much of a threat to the existing power structure, and collapsed in on itself like a flan in a cupboard.
Plus, the Inquisitor lost an arm. I've been waiting for one of my PCs to get permanently maimed since forever. War is hell.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 6:12:01 GMT
Krista D. Ball @kristadb1GET THE FUCKING EGGHEAD ASSHOLE pbs.twimg.com/media/DSRce5JV4AAAqzX.jpg Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesThe formal name for this plot beat was always written as “daggerthunk”. [HASH]DAT
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 30, 2017 6:12:02 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesI do remember that she painstakingly figured out, “Please be quiet!” as their battle cry. I do hope this is actually true, because it's HI-LARIOUS.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 6:16:34 GMT
Dumped Drunk and Dalish @drunkdalishI actually needed that group shot at the end of Trespasser after everything my poor Inky had been through! I much preferred it to the quietly tragic abandoned (Solasmanced) Inky on her balcony at the end of DAI. Then Cass read from Varric's book and life was perfect again. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesAh, god, I forgot the book. That was originally going to be in DAI credits, but it didn’t fit the tone (especially leading to the Solas-Mythal scene). @davidgaider wrote it... beautifully. T loves Porgs, Nugs, and Pyjak @imasithduhWhere do we send Miranda's flowers for the perfection that is her reading in Cassandra's accent while imitating other accents? Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes“He... he put me in the book!” is just priceless. Krista D. Ball @kristadb1And that's it! Thank you everyone for the last 2 days of tweeting! And thanks to @patrickweekes for the commentary, and to @mostlybree for sharing *so* much of her trauma 😎 Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesThank you for letting me chime in with DVD commentary. It was so cool to look back at this and see what we did. Thank you. [HASH]DAT
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 6:19:39 GMT
Wow. That was a glorious Dragon Age thread to close out the year with. Kudos to Krista & Patrick (and everyone else who chimed in!)!
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Post by cmoe on Dec 30, 2017 6:24:28 GMT
Wow. That was a glorious Dragon Age thread to close out the year with. Kudos to Krista & Patrick (and everyone else who chimed in!)! I loved that and have to admit it made me feel the feels again... Darn-it. Thank you Hrungr. As always you are the best!!!!
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 6:36:10 GMT
Wow. That was a glorious Dragon Age thread to close out the year with. Kudos to Krista & Patrick (and everyone else who chimed in!)! I loved that and have to admit it made me feel the feels again... Darn-it. Thank you Hrungr. As always you are the best!!!! Thanks! I'm going to take some time and re-read all that in the morning. But for now, cocoa... and a nap.
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