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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 30, 2017 20:00:55 GMT
Tayla Lavellan @parilavellanShould have fought for a dress for the Ball. Haha I’m so sad the girls didn’t wear fancy dresses Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesAlso fair. But remember, it wasn’t until Trespasser that you had Skyhold clothes beyond the beige thing. Getting dresses for Halamshiral would’ve killed an Art team already working long hours... or cut something else. That’s not meant to be a slam on you or anything, to be clear. But we ran DAI down to the wire. We had producers making faces for minor NPCs so that Art could do major folks. Krista D. Ball @kristadb1I love the Skyhold clothes. But seriously dress dlc ftw. Bree (&🐕)@mostlybreeI 100% understand the practical reasons but I would pay obscene money for dress and pretty hair DLC. My main goal in life is to become a billionaire and fund pretty video game hair and dresses. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesRight? I remember seeing a mod for DAI where someone’s Dalish elf had BANGIN’ blond locks, and I whined a little. Having whined to actual artists, my understanding is that nobody cares if mod hair clips through someone’s shoulder, but there’s a concern everyone would care if main-game hair did. That limits them. But again, not an artist. VERY not an artist. Cannot say that clearly enough. Tayla Lavellan @parilavellanWell I know I wouldn’t care if it did that but maybe some good medium length hair? There where soo many shaved hair options Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesSomeday. I want pretty hair and the ability for characters to interrupt each other easily without a half-second pause between lines. These are my goals. - These are worthy goals! And can't agree enough about the immersion-breaking dialogue pauses between characters!! (Hrungr)Krista D. Ball @kristadb1The pauses never bother me! I always pretend they're Uber polite. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesIt really kills the flow when you’re trying to write Sorkin/His-Girl-Friday snappy banter, though. (It CAN be done, but it’s immense work and doesn’t work well for non-English, because most lines are different lengths in different languages.) The pause has bugged me since Ash and Joker go at it arguing in the Normandy about dumping the Mako at Ilos.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 20:03:37 GMT
Damn my min-max mindset! I was just thinking, while I'd never sacrifice the Chargers, If I did, I wouldn't really have to worry about the fight against Bull. Why? 3 Elves and 1 Qunari vs 1 Dragon Who was the one who kept dying so often I stopped bothering with resurecting him? See, this is the reason why I always respec Bull as a Sword 'n Board tank. Intentions be damned, he's just so... fragile as a T-Hander.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 20:05:53 GMT
John Epler @eplerjc So @patrickweekes has been talking about Trespasser a bunch, and I wanted to say a few things myself.
It's still the single thing from my entire career thus far that I'm most proud of. What you saw, what you played, was the closest thing to a team's vision I've ever seen turned into a finished product. We gave you exactly what we wanted you to have.
It was a group production. It was also really the first time @patrickweekes and I got to truly be leads and work together from beginning to end, and it remains the best six months I've spent at BioWare.
I still remember sitting in a meeting room with him and sketching out on a whiteboard what would eventually form the core of Trespasser's story, with three goals - provide closure for the Inquisitor's chapter, give Solas his big reveal, and take the Mark off the table for good.
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Post by Fredward on Dec 30, 2017 20:06:11 GMT
I keep Bull a two hander but give him some sword and board passives.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 30, 2017 20:06:33 GMT
Gosh Hrungr - a lot to post here, from what I've seen. Good luck I just came up for air after playing Skyrim all afternoon... then looked at my timeline. Brace yourselves people, this may take a while... Tell us where to send the hot chocolate, we need to keep you fueled up.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 20:13:01 GMT
John Epler @eplerjcSo @patrickweekes has been talking about Trespasser a bunch, and I wanted to say a few things myself. It's still the single thing from my entire career thus far that I'm most proud of. What you saw, what you played, was the closest thing to a team's vision I've ever seen turned into a finished product. We gave you exactly what we wanted you to have. It was a group production. It was also really the first time @patrickweekes and I got to truly be leads and work together from beginning to end, and it remains the best six months I've spent at BioWare. I still remember sitting in a meeting room with him and sketching out on a whiteboard what would eventually form the core of Trespasser's story, with three goals - provide closure for the Inquisitor's chapter, give Solas his big reveal, and take the Mark off the table for good. Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrahI like the table!
John Epler @eplerjcWe had some bad ideas that never made it out (beware any idea you spend 45 minutes convincing yourself is a good idea!), and a lot of great ideas from other people that modified that original pitch, but the bones remained the same. It also taught me a lot about picking your moments. Lots of scenes that could've taken up even more resources (arrival at the palace), but instead we spent those resources on the little moments throughout - Josie hug, Josie exploding at the others, Cassandra's nod, etc. And it's worth noting that @patrickweekes is one of the most humble and easy-to-work with people ever. He's been giving me a lot of props, but he deserves his own. He never let ego get in the way of telling a great story. And that's a lot. Game dev is about enough confidence to push your vision, but also enough to know when to let someone else's ideas replace or modify yours. Anyways. Trespasser still gives me a lot of feelings. I'm glad it did the same for all of you. I'm going to go buy some Chicago Mix popcorn because no foodstuff has the right to be so delicious. [HASH]DAT
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Post by Gilli on Dec 30, 2017 20:15:38 GMT
I was just thinking, while I'd never sacrifice the Chargers, If I did, I wouldn't really have to worry about the fight against Bull. Why? 3 Elves and 1 Qunari vs 1 Dragon Who was the one who kept dying so often I stopped bothering with resurecting him? See, this is the reason why I always respec Bull as a Sword 'n Board tank. Intentions be damned, he's just so... fragile as a T-Hander. I started to give him Livid and do not give him Dragon Rage anymore. (as it seems he never uses Devour to heal himself ) Also, when I craft him gear, he gets something on his armor to protect him, like Guard on Hit, or...
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 30, 2017 20:16:58 GMT
"The Inquisition is hiding things" thing was completely fabricated and forced. If players had the choice to keep things hidden or tell what was going on would have been way less frustrating. Agree. It's especially contrary to my previously established roleplay of telling the truth. I had Josephine tell the truth about being the Herald, I had Cassandra tell the truth about the Fade, I told the truth about Ameridan. I don't recall if there is anything else... I think some war table missions might have had some elements of that as well. I also had a diplomatic Inquisition, as I use Josephine far more than the other two on the war table even when it was inconvenient and caused many hours of waiting. I made those choices on purpose. Then Trespasser comes along and says, "Fuck your choices." It's one of the reasons I dislike Trespasser. The writers took the Inquisition and made it as they wanted it to be, not how I designed it to be from my own deeds. It's one thing to have that in a following game where the previous game and characters are no longer in your control (Warden, Hawke), but we were still playing DAI and our Inquisitor. By that point, the only real control over the fate of the Inquisition I had as the Inquisitor and player was to disband, so I took it. I don't know, I like Trespasser in this aspect because it really drives home that you don't have total control over the Inquisition anymore. It's rife with decisions made by others and spies, which is kinda realistic if you look at any large organization... especially one with no natural niche to sit comfortably with the other powers, inept at times though they may be.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 20:20:52 GMT
John Epler @eplerjcSo @patrickweekes has been talking about Trespasser a bunch, and I wanted to say a few things myself. It's still the single thing from my entire career thus far that I'm most proud of. What you saw, what you played, was the closest thing to a team's vision I've ever seen turned into a finished product. We gave you exactly what we wanted you to have. It was a group production. It was also really the first time @patrickweekes and I got to truly be leads and work together from beginning to end, and it remains the best six months I've spent at BioWare. I still remember sitting in a meeting room with him and sketching out on a whiteboard what would eventually form the core of Trespasser's story, with three goals - provide closure for the Inquisitor's chapter, give Solas his big reveal, and take the Mark off the table for good. Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrahI like the table!
John Epler @eplerjcWe had some bad ideas that never made it out (beware any idea you spend 45 minutes convincing yourself is a good idea!), and a lot of great ideas from other people that modified that original pitch, but the bones remained the same. It also taught me a lot about picking your moments. Lots of scenes that could've taken up even more resources (arrival at the palace), but instead we spent those resources on the little moments throughout - Josie hug, Josie exploding at the others, Cassandra's nod, etc. And it's worth noting that @patrickweekes is one of the most humble and easy-to-work with people ever. He's been giving me a lot of props, but he deserves his own. He never let ego get in the way of telling a great story. And that's a lot. Game dev is about enough confidence to push your vision, but also enough to know when to let someone else's ideas replace or modify yours. Anyways. Trespasser still gives me a lot of feelings. I'm glad it did the same for all of you. I'm going to go buy some Chicago Mix popcorn because no foodstuff has the right to be so delicious. John Epler @eplerjcOh, one more note. We almost didn't take you back to Haven at the end for technical reasons. I fought for it, because it was important, thematically, to me. Sometimes game dev is also about fighting for the stuff you really care about. Just know when to pick your battles. That one was important. Some others I fought were not, and a couple of battles I didn't fight, in retrospect, I should have. That's experience, though, and hindsight. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesIt was an honor and a pleasure to work with you, dude. John Epler @eplerjcSame. Fully the same. For -real- last thing (because my daughter is rattling her doorknob). Good storytelling, to me, is about emotions. Know what you want to tell your players, but also, know how you want them to feel, and work towards that. Build the moment around it. [HASH]DAT
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 30, 2017 20:33:23 GMT
Great, now all my hatred towards the Trespasser DLC is back in my memory again. Seriously, one of the worst DLCs they ever made.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 30, 2017 20:35:00 GMT
I don't think we played the same thing. While I have a couple of minor issues with Trespasser... (WHY CAN'T I BUILD THE EMPIRE I ALWAYS WANTED! )... it's still, on the whole, my favorite DA DLC.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 20:44:31 GMT
Krista D. Ball @kristadb1😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesOKAY. THESE CARDS. @mattrhodesart just makes awesome incredible shit super fast. Also? This was all, uh, totally fake. We had no system to make this work. We THOUGHT we did, but it turned out it had been hacked into DAI. So every card is Francois and @chrisdentwistle making the camera look at a piece of wall that has been told, “You now look like this epilogue card.” So they put in a TON of time making all of those things work, for which I will always be grateful, as I prefer to KNOW I am asking for something huge before we’re committed to it. Chris Entwistle @chrisdentwistleDev A: "So we can just put 2D pictures and text on screen, right?" Dev B: "Actually, that'll take a three-weeks to build." Dev A: "What if we used 3D level objects and stuck them in the final scene, moving the camera when the conversation triggers?" Dev B: "Ew. But 3 days." Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesTriple-A Game Development! [hash]DAT
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 30, 2017 20:46:25 GMT
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 30, 2017 21:10:58 GMT
John Epler @eplerjc Addendum - the gameplay team on Trespasser was fantastic and responsible for turning the Mark into something tangible. The LD team made each area impactful to the theme and narrative through line. And the Art teams made it all look amazing.
Chris Entwistle @chrisdentwistle Pop fact: the burndown chart for that project was near perfect too. Scope management was the closest to “nailed it” that I’ve ever seen.
John Epler @eplerjc I remember telling you 'I made a Gantt chart!' and being incredibly proud of myself.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 30, 2017 21:32:38 GMT
I still remember sitting in a meeting room with him and sketching out on a whiteboard what would eventually form the core of Trespasser's story, with three goals - provide closure for the Inquisitor's chapter, give Solas his big reveal, and take the Mark off the table for good.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 30, 2017 21:34:37 GMT
John Epler @eplerjcSo @patrickweekes has been talking about Trespasser a bunch, and I wanted to say a few things myself. It's still the single thing from my entire career thus far that I'm most proud of. What you saw, what you played, was the closest thing to a team's vision I've ever seen turned into a finished product. We gave you exactly what we wanted you to have. It was a group production. It was also really the first time @patrickweekes and I got to truly be leads and work together from beginning to end, and it remains the best six months I've spent at BioWare. I still remember sitting in a meeting room with him and sketching out on a whiteboard what would eventually form the core of Trespasser's story, with three goals - provide closure for the Inquisitor's chapter, give Solas his big reveal, and take the Mark off the table for good. Got to take this moment to express my appreciation. Not that I don't love the Solas stuff, too.
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Post by Rascoth on Dec 30, 2017 21:41:06 GMT
I was just thinking, while I'd never sacrifice the Chargers, If I did, I wouldn't really have to worry about the fight against Bull. Why? 3 Elves and 1 Qunari vs 1 Dragon Who was the one who kept dying so often I stopped bothering with resurecting him? See, this is the reason why I always respec Bull as a Sword 'n Board tank. Intentions be damned, he's just so... fragile as a T-Hander. Pre-T Personally, I don't invest points in Reaver tree, since his AI can't handle it. Pre-Trespasser I invested into Vanguard (while keeping him as 2H) to give him some guard, now I just go full Battlemaster. Horn of Valor with Trespasser upgrade on priority and Bull's pretty much unkillable Gilli 's way good too
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Post by Gilli on Dec 30, 2017 22:17:08 GMT
See, this is the reason why I always respec Bull as a Sword 'n Board tank. Intentions be damned, he's just so... fragile as a T-Hander. Pre-T Personally, I don't invest points in Reaver tree, since his AI can't handle it. Pre-Trespasser I invested into Vanguard (while keeping him as 2H) to give him some guard, now I just go full Battlemaster. Horn of Valor with Trespasser upgrade on priority and Bull's pretty much unkillable Gilli 's way good too The letting him on the ground, or putting Walking Fortress on his armor? Wonder if I should start giving him Charging Bull. I like it when I play Katari in MP (and on my Reaver Inquisitor) but I think I remember Cassandra just running off somewhere... Also I know I should tint his armor with Dawnstone, but Bloodstone looks so good on Qunari.
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Post by Rascoth on Dec 30, 2017 22:19:41 GMT
Personally, I don't invest points in Reaver tree, since his AI can't handle it. Pre-Trespasser I invested into Vanguard (while keeping him as 2H) to give him some guard, now I just go full Battlemaster. Horn of Valor with Trespasser upgrade on priority and Bull's pretty much unkillable Gilli 's way good too The letting him on the ground, or putting Walking Fortress on his armor? Wonder if I should start giving him Charging Bull. I like it when I play Katari in MP (and on my Reaver Inquisitor) but I think I remember Cassandra just running off somewhere... Also I know I should tint his armor with Dawnstone, but Bloodstone looks so good on Qunari. Both Charging Bull is another thing AI is not handling well, so I wouldn't bother. At least if you don't want to witness him running off the cliff one day (glorious sight btw)
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Post by Gilli on Dec 30, 2017 22:32:18 GMT
The letting him on the ground, or putting Walking Fortress on his armor? Wonder if I should start giving him Charging Bull. I like it when I play Katari in MP (and on my Reaver Inquisitor) but I think I remember Cassandra just running off somewhere... Also I know I should tint his armor with Dawnstone, but Bloodstone looks so good on Qunari. Both Charging Bull is another thing AI is not handling well, so I wouldn't bother. At least if you don't want to witness him running off the cliff one day (glorious sight btw) True and I bet. Hmm, do you think the AI handles Block & Slash better? (I HATE it when I use it myself tbh (on Katari in MP that is)) Bodyguard on Bull is a bad idea too... I dislike Challenge, especially after Cass kept challenging the poor little Fennecs. "Will you leave it alone? It's already running from you, stop scaring the poor thing!"
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Post by Rascoth on Dec 30, 2017 22:56:16 GMT
Both Charging Bull is another thing AI is not handling well, so I wouldn't bother. At least if you don't want to witness him running off the cliff one day (glorious sight btw) True and I bet. Hmm, do you think the AI handles Block & Slash better? (I HATE it when I use it myself tbh (on Katari in MP that is)) Bodyguard on Bull is a bad idea too... I dislike Challenge, especially after Cass kept challenging the poor little Fennecs. "Will you leave it alone? It's already running from you, stop scaring the poor thing!" Saw Bull use it properly a few times, so AI handles it definitely better than most skills Let's agree than most (all) Vanguard abilites except Livid are terrible when AI's allowed to use them I mostly invest in it for Livid and passives. Tho post-Trespasser I greatly prefer Battlemaster tree.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 30, 2017 23:00:00 GMT
Charging Bull is another thing AI is not handling well, so I wouldn't bother. I completely agree on the AI and charging bull. But it does work well if you use it manually and I like having it as a tank to control the battlefield. I keep Cassandra as SnS, but damage only, so I don't have her use it. In the past, I recall her flying around all over the place; it was a bit silly.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 30, 2017 23:02:13 GMT
Charging Bull is another thing AI is not handling well, so I wouldn't bother. I completely agree on the AI and charging bull. But it does work well if you use it manually and I like having it as a tank to control the battlefield. I keep Cassandra as SnS, but damage only, so I don't have her use it. In the past, I recall her flying around all over the place; it was a bit silly. It's a decent gap-closer
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Post by Gilli on Dec 30, 2017 23:10:07 GMT
True and I bet. Hmm, do you think the AI handles Block & Slash better? (I HATE it when I use it myself tbh (on Katari in MP that is)) Bodyguard on Bull is a bad idea too... I dislike Challenge, especially after Cass kept challenging the poor little Fennecs. "Will you leave it alone? It's already running from you, stop scaring the poor thing!" Saw Bull use it properly a few times, so AI handles it definitely better than most skills Let's agree than most (all) Vanguard abilites except Livid are terrible when AI's allowed to use them I mostly invest in it for Livid and passives. Tho post-Trespasser I greatly prefer Battlemaster tree. Good to know Yes, I agree. Mhm, Battlemaster is good. I also like to have Bear Mauls Wolves on my warriors. (thanks to a mod I can get the skills/passives without having to take those skills/passives I don't want )
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Post by Rascoth on Dec 30, 2017 23:15:21 GMT
Charging Bull is another thing AI is not handling well, so I wouldn't bother. I completely agree on the AI and charging bull. But it does work well if you use it manually and I like having it as a tank to control the battlefield. I keep Cassandra as SnS, but damage only, so I don't have her use it. In the past, I recall her flying around all over the place; it was a bit silly. I love Charging Bull on my characters as well. One of the most fun Inquisitors I've played was 2H Champion whose main attacks were Charging Bull and Whirlwind Saw Bull use it properly a few times, so AI handles it definitely better than most skills Let's agree than most (all) Vanguard abilites except Livid are terrible when AI's allowed to use them I mostly invest in it for Livid and passives. Tho post-Trespasser I greatly prefer Battlemaster tree. Good to know Yes, I agree. Mhm, Battlemaster is good. I also like to have Bear Mauls Wolves on my warriors. (thanks to a mod I can get the skills/passives without having to take those skills/passives I don't want ) Never felt the need for that mod, since usually I have more skill points than I need
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