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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jan 13, 2018 7:06:19 GMT
Serious question. Would you pay $75 for a video game if you knew there were no micro transactions? Or I suppose, even if there were? Under any circumstance would you pay $100 for a game? I would probably pay $100 for a game the size/quality of Andromeda/Inquisition/Witcher 3 (I like all three games).
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Post by Fredward on Jan 13, 2018 7:22:37 GMT
That was a good Podcast and I it slightly decreased my inclination to think everything is on fire.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jan 13, 2018 7:25:55 GMT
Serious question. Would you pay $75 for a video game if you knew there were no micro transactions? Or I suppose, even if there were? Under any circumstance would you pay $100 for a game? When I made my initial post about paying more, around $100 is what I was thinking, so yes. But this is for a game or series that I really like, like Dragon Age. For most other games I would be content to wait for sales.
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Post by Felya87 on Jan 13, 2018 9:00:57 GMT
Serious question. Would you pay $75 for a video game if you knew there were no micro transactions? Or I suppose, even if there were? Under any circumstance would you pay $100 for a game? I pay already between 69,90 and 79,90 € for day one games. Sometimes more if the day one have some stuff (like metal box or something). I usually buy only one game at day one for year, and it must be a game I'really interested and must have good longevity. For a DA game, I can spend 100 €, but playable races must be there. And for nostalgia factor, an instruction book like the PS1 era would be great. And expansions instead of DLC.
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Post by blastoandbubin on Jan 13, 2018 9:30:55 GMT
Honestly...100 is a little rich for my blood. $75 seems comparatively reasonable but somehow that $25 bump is throwing me . For a game series I already know I love, like Dragon Age, with the attendant graphics and writing smorgasbord? Yeah, I would probably fork over the cash, lol. If I ended up hating it I could always return it. Plus, isometric rpgs seem to be getting more and more popular, and I don't see that abating any time soon given how much more cost efficient they are to make. And they're great and everything, but not my preferred style of game. If they end up dominating the rpg scene, I would definitely be willing to pay more money for an rpg given the real AAA treatment with all the bells and whistles. Bioware and CD Projekt have spoiled me.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Jan 13, 2018 10:42:07 GMT
Serious question. Would you pay $75 for a video game if you knew there were no micro transactions? Or I suppose, even if there were? Under any circumstance would you pay $100 for a game? I'd happily pay £100 for a game for the vanilla version of a game personally & my brother will pay even more, he'll buy the most expensive version of a game like CoD even though he despises MP & only plays the series for SP & these versions sell out quickly. So people are already willing to spend more on their games, at least on special editions, so would a price hike really be that poorly received?
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 13, 2018 10:58:40 GMT
There has to be a significant bump in quality for DA4 if I'm going to have to spend 100 freaking dollars on it.
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Post by marikahaliwell on Jan 13, 2018 14:52:52 GMT
Dragon Age is my beloved franchise and once the pre-orders are available i will jump right in. And I would pay 100 euro for the game or even for a special collectors edition , but otherwise I wait for prices to drop half maybe?
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jan 13, 2018 17:24:46 GMT
Serious question. Would you pay $75 for a video game if you knew there were no micro transactions? Or I suppose, even if there were? Under any circumstance would you pay $100 for a game? American, for money value info purposes here. And no, I would not. I might splurge on a series I really love for a $100 collectors edition but it needs to come with physical items. I got dai’s CE for example (though I don’t remember if that was 100). But for a base game? No. And honestly even 60 is pushing it for some games. Dragon Age excepted. On the upside I play on PC, and specifically buy Bioware games thru Origin, so they’re getting all the sale price from me.
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Post by Frost on Jan 13, 2018 19:33:04 GMT
Serious question. Would you pay $75 for a video game if you knew there were no micro transactions? Or I suppose, even if there were? Under any circumstance would you pay $100 for a game? Yes, I would pay $75 or $100 if the game was single-player only and was high-quality (had great side quests, main story, companions, choices, reasonable length, etc.).
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Post by Awkward Octopus on Jan 13, 2018 19:49:28 GMT
I rarely buy AAA games anymore. Partly because they're so much more expensive when there are many equally good (or better) indie games out there I want to play, too. Also, because a lot of the kinds of games I like to play are not really popular with the AAA crowd.
I recognize that AAA are expected to be a certain (long) length, and a certain (very high) fidelity, and have (a lot) more marketing, etc., etc. I'm not super convinced that this requires a higher base price. But that's mostly because, for the most part, we're already paying a higher price. We're paying more with various edition tiers and season passes, we're paying more by having the kinds of things that used to be included with games for free (and I'm talking about silly, cosmetic things like unlockable extra costumes) come out later as DLC. Would I pay more than $60 for a AAA game? I already do. When there's a AAA game I actually want on day one, I already want it enough to usually buy a limited edition version, and buy the DLC when it comes out, etc.
(EDIT: I should probably also include the digital distribution factor - when a percentage of the sold games don't have to be printed/shipped/stored, but are the same price, that's a significant amount they get to pocket that they wouldn't have been able to before.)
And I honestly don't mind all that. I work in 3D animation, I completely recognize how much more time and how many more artists you need for the fidelity that's expected from AAA games, never mind the other stuff. Where I do get mad is the predatory aspects of microtransactions. Like, ok, if you wanna have loot boxes? Fine. Even randomized loot from them is fine for the people who opt for the free route. But if someone is going to pay real, actual money for a loot box, let them at least pick which item they get. Let them get the dumb Halloween costume for the character they like to play. They're giving you money, reward them for it. Make your customers WANT to give you money. Don't make them feel like you're ripping them off. And don't turn games into slot machines.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 13, 2018 19:51:27 GMT
Pat @miracl3work3rTodays new term "Speculative Code Execution" FYI it was awesome until it wasnt and now its very bad. It wasn't even all that awesome in the first place. It's symptomatic of inefficiency in translating high-level code into machine architecture. I mean, if you have the cycles to execute code that might not be needed, why can't those cycles be used for something that is for sure going to be needed?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 13, 2018 19:58:07 GMT
David Gaider @davidgaiderYou just named the one bugaboo we struggled with constantly. Overlapping lines, interruptions... that's the dream. - I'm sure they'll solve it... someday.
Well, it is a solved problem, in at least one game: Oxenfree"Players can select dialogue options at any time during conversations, choosing to wait for other characters to finish, to interrupt, or to remain silent."
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 13, 2018 20:02:21 GMT
So... he believes there's still a place for them but with the way things currently are, they'll probably be of lesser quality. Like Telltale games? Did he say that, or is that you providing an example? In either case, Telltale makes the best in class narrative-driven point-and-click games. Not the best example for lesser quality.
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Post by rras1994 on Jan 13, 2018 20:04:42 GMT
So... he believes there's still a place for them but with the way things currently are, they'll probably be of lesser quality. Like Telltale games? Did he say that, or is that you providing an example? In either case, Telltale makes the best in class narrative-driven point-and-click games. Not the best example for lesser quality. And Telltale recently had to let go half their staff so it's not like the economics are easiar for them either.
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Post by blastoandbubin on Jan 13, 2018 20:08:06 GMT
MEA did solve some of this, iirc. You couldn't actively interrupt people but they OFTEN managed to time the dialogue much better, without those massive pauses between your pc's line and the npc's response. And in the regular conversations in cutscenes and stuff there was overlap, I remember being so pleased, lol. MEA had issues but that is one thing they managed to improve on, although it still wasn't ideal.
I assume having more time with the engine and building off what the DA team figured out how to do helped. I really hope they piggyback off of MEA's progress on that front in DA4.
ETA oops, forgot to quote - meant the dialogue issues DG was talking about, obviously
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jan 13, 2018 20:10:26 GMT
So... he believes there's still a place for them but with the way things currently are, they'll probably be of lesser quality. Like Telltale games? Did he say that, or is that you providing an example? In either case, Telltale makes the best in class narrative-driven point-and-click games. Not the best example for lesser quality. That's why the question mark. Never played them... just glancing at them though they don't look as pretty as say Andromeda or Inquisition. Doesn't make them bad games. The gist of what he was saying is that linear games may steer away from AAA quality/glitz/schmaltz - whatever. Many virtues of AAA games are debatable.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jan 13, 2018 20:10:30 GMT
Did he say that, or is that you providing an example? In either case, Telltale makes the best in class narrative-driven point-and-click games. Not the best example for lesser quality. And Telltale recently had to let go half their staff so it's not like the economics are easiar for them either. "Had to"? with as many IPs as they have running and releases they do? That kinda screams either mismanagement or bloated staffing. Considering the turn around time btwn episodes (and the complete rewrites of said episodes that seem to regularly happen in that turn around time), I'm guessing the former. Or a little of column A & B. I don't think its a matter of there just not being enough sales.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 13, 2018 20:15:07 GMT
Serious question. Would you pay $75 for a video game if you knew there were no micro transactions? Or I suppose, even if there were? Under any circumstance would you pay $100 for a game? Yes, since I've paid $85 for a vid game with no micros -- but the lower cost version also didn't have micros . Yes, I'd pay $100 for the right game, and if you add up DLCs, again, I kind have already done that. But why front-load the cost? I think some brave AAA developer ought to do what some of the indies are doing. Keep the up-front cost low and ask for donations to support further development. Assume altruism and appreciation in your fans, instead of stupidity and addictive behavior, and the money will come. Just look at how much money Star Citizen made before it even shipped. $150 million, though a lot of that is from pledges that are contingent on stuff, like the game shipping. To reduce risk and make things a bit more manageable for the people working on the project, why not fund AAA projects like start-ups? You get an initial round from a big publisher like EA, but you don't get further rounds until after you ship product and establish some kind of foothold in the market. If the initial release flops, that's it, investors cut their loses. If it's a hit, investors will flock to throw money at the project and get a piece of the action. Although, in this case, the action can't be based on an IPO, it would have be based on some percentage of gross sales, like a movie.
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Post by rras1994 on Jan 13, 2018 20:15:39 GMT
And Telltale recently had to let go half their staff so it's not like the economics are easiar for them either. "Had to"? with as many IPs as they have running and releases they do? That kinda screams either mismanagement or bloated staffing. Considering the turn around time btwn episodes (and the complete rewrites of said episodes that seem to regularly happen in that turn around time), I'm guessing the former. Or a little of column A & B. They are moving away from using established IPs and I think might be making their own in the future? Devs don't just have to pay a cut to the reteiler and the platform holder, they also have to pay a cut to the IP holder - and Telltale used some big IPs. And I think the engine they are using is quite old and doesn't really run that well. They got a new CEO (I think? I'm basing this off memory. A new big cheese of some sort. ) that's putting them on a new strategy. Their strategy before just didn't seem to be working for them. Also I'm not sure people in general are keen on the episode format for buying games.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 13, 2018 20:19:57 GMT
And Telltale recently had to let go half their staff so it's not like the economics are easiar for them either. "Had to"? with as many IPs as they have running and releases they do? That kinda screams either mismanagement or bloated staffing. I tend to agree. I think they were the victims of their own success.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 13, 2018 20:22:35 GMT
Did he say that, or is that you providing an example? In either case, Telltale makes the best in class narrative-driven point-and-click games. Not the best example for lesser quality. That's why the question mark. Never played them... just glancing at them though they don't look as pretty as say Andromeda or Inquisition. Oh, if you meant lesser graphics quality than the average AAA game, that is absolutely true. But Bioware isn't exactly the king of the heap with respect to graphics quality, either, so it's kind of a moot point.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 13, 2018 20:29:10 GMT
Also I'm not sure people in general are keen on the episode format for buying games. I hope that's not true. It's a good strategy, lowering the cost of entry for people who are more price sensitive, while building up buzz and excitement in a "try before you buy" system. It actually is more of a pain for writers and devs than for the customer, since they have to put all of their effort into making the first episode a smash hit. Which means stories that are more back-loaded won't work in the format. For people who absolutely hate having their experience stretched over months and can't stand cliffhangers, just wait until the omnibus edition comes out. That's what I do.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 13, 2018 20:32:35 GMT
Serious question. Would you pay $75 for a video game if you knew there were no micro transactions? Or I suppose, even if there were? Under any circumstance would you pay $100 for a game? Yes, since I've paid $85 for a vid game with no micros -- but the lower cost version also didn't have micros . Yes, I'd pay $100 for the right game, and if you add up DLCs, again, I kind have already done that. But why front-load the cost? I think some brave AAA developer ought to do what some of the indies are doing. Keep the up-front cost low and ask for donations to support further development. Assume altruism and appreciation in your fans, instead of stupidity and addictive behavior, and the money will come. Just look at how much money Star Citizen made before it even shipped. $150 million, though a lot of that is from pledges that are contingent on stuff, like the game shipping. Star Citizen isn't a good example. If big companies were doing what SC is doing, the BF2 outrage would pale in comparison to the Armageddon that would cause. People complained enough about Season Passes and preorders, and now about whales - so can you imagine what would happen if, say, EA asked for 15k $ for basically preorder package? Unless there are some sort of big shifts in economy, or the way we think about how it works, big corporations and companies will never be treated like indies/underdogs. I've read enough recently about start-ups to be wary of gaming industry adapting this strategy.
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Post by rras1994 on Jan 13, 2018 20:35:01 GMT
Also I'm not sure people in general are keen on the episode format for buying games. I hope that's not true. It's a good strategy, lowering the cost of entry for people who are more price sensitive, while building up buzz and excitement in a "try before you buy" system. It actually is more of a pain for writers and devs than for the customer, since they have to put all of their effort into making the first episode a smash hit. Which means stories that are more back-loaded won't work in the format. For people who absolutely hate having their experience stretched over months and can't stand cliffhangers, just wait until the omnibus edition comes out. That's what I do. I think it's more that a lot of people will buy the first episode but the number goes down a lot for each subsequent, as people get interested by the other newest shiny- I mean game I mean the majority of people don't finish their games and the reason that a lot of publishers try and put most of their DLC close to launch as it's when hype for the game is biggest and when there's the largest customer base.
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