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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jan 20, 2018 10:02:11 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesBros: new dude at my construction site shows up early, stays late, never talks, spends all day whaling on walls with a hammer. Should I start some shit with him? Kay bros, thanks for advice. After looking at world I live in, where aliens blew up a few city blocks, another building recently imploded, giant green monsters rip cars in half, and costumed, sometimes-bulletproof vigilantes are causing chaos, imma start some shit with this dude. Cori Nicole @genevraelwait you're watching the Punisher? Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesIt’s kind of for work. This can only mean amazing things. ... Or a boss battle with a Thedosian Frank Castle. In which case, I'm out. Or a romance with a Thedosian Frank Castle? Which I am totally fine with.
Brutal revenge in DA4 confirmed......
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 20, 2018 13:18:32 GMT
So... he's the guy responsible for myself and my companions sometimes freezing mid battle and requiring an ability use to get moving again? I wish him luck in his new job and everything, but
I don't think this can be blamed on one person. We can't forget that DAI was the first game on Frostbite and being developed on 5 platforms at once, and that came with its own challenges.
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Post by Ravenfeeder on Jan 20, 2018 16:52:44 GMT
So... he's the guy responsible for myself and my companions sometimes freezing mid battle and requiring an ability use to get moving again? I wish him luck in his new job and everything, but That was introduced in a patch and I don't know whether he was involved with those
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Post by Walter Black on Jan 20, 2018 17:24:34 GMT
This can only mean amazing things. ... Or a boss battle with a Thedosian Frank Castle. In which case, I'm out. Or a romance with a Thedosian Frank Castle? Which I am totally fine with.
Brutal revenge in DA4 confirmed...... Not necessarily. Weekes "noped" out of Daredevil because a true hero never, ever uses torture and always finds a better way, or other such cop outs. Not even against irredeemable scumbags to desperately save children from abuse, slavery, organ harvesting and/or death, apparently .
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jan 20, 2018 18:07:15 GMT
Meh even if you don't care about the moral grounds, torture doesn't work as a way to gather information because the person will say anything to get the torture to stop. This isn't bleeding heart liberal claptrap, either, it's science: link, link, link.
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Post by Walter Black on Jan 20, 2018 18:23:38 GMT
Meh even if you don't care about the moral grounds, torture doesn't work as a way to gather information because the person will say anything to get the torture to stop. This isn't bleeding heart liberal claptrap, either, it's science: link, link, link. My point was more weariness at the possibility that Patrick Weekes could betray Dragon Age's lineage as dark fantasy, or the wishes of players who want to play dark characters.
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 20, 2018 18:41:56 GMT
So was he the lead on [current project] or was/is that the dev who visits this forum? AFAIK, Seb was the lead GD on , but maybe Luke could shed more light on this...
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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 20, 2018 18:48:35 GMT
Meh even if you don't care about the moral grounds, torture doesn't work as a way to gather information because the person will say anything to get the torture to stop. This isn't bleeding heart liberal claptrap, either, it's science: link, link, link. True, but when the subject in question is part of a child kidnapping plot and you know for a fact that he can give you the location of said child and you’re running out of time before they murder or sell the child to God knows who ... (This was the set-up in the Daredevil episode in question.)
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Post by LukeBarrett on Jan 20, 2018 18:51:19 GMT
So was he the lead on [current project] or was/is that the dev who visits this forum? AFAIK, Seb was the lead GD on , but maybe Luke could shed more light on this... Yep, Seb was gameplay lead for - he was my manager and so I now report directly to Dan who is the Design Director for the project. Hope that clears it up slightly, obviously I can't be too specific
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Post by phoray on Jan 21, 2018 2:51:18 GMT
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Post by Kabraxal on Jan 21, 2018 4:10:18 GMT
Brutal revenge in DA4 confirmed...... Not necessarily. Weekes "noped" out of Daredevil because a true hero never, ever uses torture and always finds a better way, or other such cop outs. Not even against irredeemable scumbags to desperately save children from abuse, slavery, organ harvesting and/or death, apparently . The moment you torture, you aren’t a hero. I’m fine if he takes that idea and portrays it DA, but I’m glad he won’t call a monster a hero. Becoming a monster to beat monsters... you still end with a monster.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 21, 2018 4:16:40 GMT
Does Ninja face now indicate a game? I'm confused. D A 4 Not that it's been officially announced or anything.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Jan 21, 2018 4:19:17 GMT
Not necessarily. Weekes "noped" out of Daredevil because a true hero never, ever uses torture and always finds a better way, or other such cop outs. Not even against irredeemable scumbags to desperately save children from abuse, slavery, organ harvesting and/or death, apparently . The moment you torture, you aren’t a hero. I’m fine if he takes that idea and portrays it DA, but I’m glad he won’t call a monster a hero. Becoming a monster to beat monsters... you still end with a monster. Well so as he's just torturing criminals and supervillians I kind of don't care. Him being a hero or a monster is irrelevant to the overall crime rate going down, I think.
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Post by Kabraxal on Jan 21, 2018 9:01:06 GMT
The moment you torture, you aren’t a hero. I’m fine if he takes that idea and portrays it DA, but I’m glad he won’t call a monster a hero. Becoming a monster to beat monsters... you still end with a monster. Well so as he's just torturing criminals and supervillians I kind of don't care. Him being a hero or a monster is irrelevant to the overall crime rate going down, I think. Let’s just let the authorities gun down any person they deem a criminsl then! Sure the crime rate willl plunge as any survivors live in terror...
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jan 21, 2018 15:23:44 GMT
So... he's the guy responsible for myself and my companions sometimes freezing mid battle and requiring an ability use to get moving again? I wish him luck in his new job and everything, but
I don't think this can be blamed on one person. We can't forget that DAI was the first game on Frostbite and being developed on 5 platforms at once, and that came with its own challenges. So... he's the guy responsible for myself and my companions sometimes freezing mid battle and requiring an ability use to get moving again? I wish him luck in his new job and everything, but That was introduced in a patch and I don't know whether he was involved with those I wasn't totally serious in that blaming, guys. lol More complaining about the bug than anything else. Meh even if you don't care about the moral grounds, torture doesn't work as a way to gather information because the person will say anything to get the torture to stop. This isn't bleeding heart liberal claptrap, either, it's science: link, link, link. I'd think if you use tortiure to make someone you already know has the information you want to talk, asking the right questions, it can still work. That's why we train our own special forces and blackops to resist it. So that they know their own limits and when they'll break under torture and give the enemy the information they want. If there was no worries about torture getting the information out of them, aka "working", then that training would kinda be a moot point. Also, claiming torture doesn't work ignores the many instances where it has throughout history actually worked. Torture produces answers from most people, in the end. As far as the truthfulness of the information it produces, torture is neutral. Whether the answers are accurate and helpful to the torturer depends on them, their own intelligence, and how they go about it. Just my 2 cents on that particular claim. Well so as he's just torturing criminals and supervillians I kind of don't care. Him being a hero or a monster is irrelevant to the overall crime rate going down, I think. Let’s just let the authorities gun down any person they deem a criminsl then! Sure the crime rate willl plunge as any survivors live in terror... Or that'd cause the crime rate to go up as there were (rightful) protests and and riots in the streets cus innocent people were being murdered at random by authorities (see any authoritarian regime ever for that example). Whereas Daredevil torturing, say, child sex traffickers, would not cause that reaction. Maybe the child sex traffickers would go into hiding (or more hiding, anyway) and live in terror, but well... Good. They're child sex traffickers. Make life as scary for them as possible, I say. Till you catch them, anyway.
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Post by tacsear on Jan 21, 2018 17:43:14 GMT
Not necessarily. Weekes "noped" out of Daredevil because a true hero never, ever uses torture and always finds a better way, or other such cop outs. Not even against irredeemable scumbags to desperately save children from abuse, slavery, organ harvesting and/or death, apparently . The moment you torture, you aren’t a hero. I’m fine if he takes that idea and portrays it DA, but I’m glad he won’t call a monster a hero. Becoming a monster to beat monsters... you still end with a monster. It would be nice to play a non-hero character though. Plus Daredevil is a vigilante not a hero
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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 21, 2018 18:03:46 GMT
At the end of the day, a child was saved and a bunch of Russian mobsters who would otherwise escape punishment received severe beatings. I would say a net good was achieved.
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Post by phoray on Jan 21, 2018 18:06:17 GMT
I think I'm cool with off topic until it gets into Deep morality Politics.
Bringing it more to on topic, did anyone read Varric's real book and actually like it?
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Post by Walter Black on Jan 21, 2018 18:07:37 GMT
The moment you torture, you aren’t a hero. I’m fine if he takes that idea and portrays it DA, but I’m glad he won’t call a monster a hero. Becoming a monster to beat monsters... you still end with a monster. Well so as he's just torturing criminals and supervillians I kind of don't care. Him being a hero or a monster is irrelevant to the overall crime rate going down, I think. Well, in my opinion the scene of Daredevil and Claire torturing that thug was never meant to be positive, but an honest look at fear, rage, and desperation. It's still early in Matt's superhero career, so he's still learning and isn't the hero he will eventually become. I do acknowledge some cognitive dissonance with the portrayal; we the audience know that the guy is guilty, and the wish fulfillment of seeing evil punished can blind the logic of how such actions would play out in real life. That said, given the brutal tone of the Marvel Netflix series, it's understandable how torturing the bad guys would be an honest, human reaction. It strikes me as intellectually dishonest, lazy, smug and Deus Ex Machina to insist that "the hero always finds another way" in such a world.
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 21, 2018 18:10:43 GMT
Starting to wander a little too far OT here. Best to take the torture discussion to another thread. Thanks!
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Post by Gilli on Jan 21, 2018 18:10:59 GMT
I think I'm cool with off topic until it gets into Deep morality Politics. Bringing it more to on topic, did anyone read Varric's real book and actually like it? It's not out yet.
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Post by Rascoth on Jan 21, 2018 18:17:35 GMT
Bringing it more to on topic, did anyone read Varric's real book and actually like it? It's not out till July 31st.
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Post by phoray on Jan 21, 2018 18:19:30 GMT
Bringing it more to on topic, did anyone read Varric's real book and actually like it? It's not out till July 31st. Oooooooooo. The way they were talking about it, I thought it was slotted for release shortly after announcement. I'm not going to buy it unless the reviews are raving, to be honest. The idea of it just doesn't appeal.
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