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Post by rras1994 on Jan 24, 2018 19:08:52 GMT
What's the hive-mind position on Schreier these days, anyway? His online persona seems a bit full of himself, but at least it comes from something real; he does solid reporting, which is part of why reading an article like this from him, talking about "rebooting" Dragon Age, is VERY concerning. For a very long time now, I've tried to remain neutral and not jump on the "let's all hate on EA" bandwagon, but I think I've finally jumped aboard with both feet. They are going to kill Bioware with their insistence on "live" games and "games as service," because they're not allowing Bioware to do what it does best. If even the tremendous success of a sprawling SP game like Witcher 3, without live services, can't show EA that there is value in those games, that I don't know what can. It's depressing and pisses me off. Witcher 3 was produced by a crunch-all-the-time studio in a low cost country. It's not something that is a sustainable model for other dev studios.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Jan 24, 2018 19:12:01 GMT
I mean, couldn't we just have one day to enjoy the sort-of-DA4 confirmation?
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 24, 2018 19:15:44 GMT
It seems that Bioware has put as much resource as they can on Anthem. Maybe that's part of reason why Mike Laidlaw left because he didn't get enough resources on DA, neither want to work on Anthem. He already explained reasons why he left multiple times and it has little to do with state of EA, Bioware or Dragon Age.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 24, 2018 19:17:15 GMT
Best case scenario, it turns out to be a relatively unobtrusive side mode.
i’m open to new things when it comes to Anthem, because I see a new IP as a chance to do something a bit different.
But I would have thought the lukewarm reception to DAI multiplayer would have taught them that DA players aren’t particularly interested in that kind of thing.
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Post by rras1994 on Jan 24, 2018 19:18:55 GMT
Best case scenario, it turns out to be a relatively unobtrusive side mode. i’m open to new things when it comes to Anthem, because I see a new IP as a chance to do something a bit different. But I would have thought the lukewarm reception to DAI multiplayer would have taught them that DA players aren’t particularly interested in that kind of thing. Live doesn't mean multiplayer necessarily though - Sims 4 is considered live and has no single player.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 24, 2018 19:21:40 GMT
What's the hive-mind position on Schreier these days, anyway? His online persona seems a bit full of himself, but at least it comes from something real; he does solid reporting, which is part of why reading an article like this from him, talking about "rebooting" Dragon Age, is VERY concerning. For a very long time now, I've tried to remain neutral and not jump on the "let's all hate on EA" bandwagon, but I think I've finally jumped aboard with both feet. They are going to kill Bioware with their insistence on "live" games and "games as service," because they're not allowing Bioware to do what it does best. If even the tremendous success of a sprawling SP game like Witcher 3, without live services, can't show EA that there is value in those games, that I don't know what can. It's depressing and pisses me off. If the tremendous success of sprawling SP game like Witcher 3, without live services, can't convince CDPR not to at least consider adding live services to Cyberpunk (because, from what I heard, those will be present), while at the same time they're ensuring fans that they shouldn't worry about the game, so far I don't see major reasons to worry about Bioware or DA. Personally, I don't really care, so long as core experience remains strong. Final Fantasy XV is a 'live service', yet still predominantly an SP game, so there's no reason to assume that live service elements will influence the game to the point that the franchise is unrecognizable to what it was before.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 19:22:06 GMT
I mean, couldn't we just have one day to enjoy the sort-of-DA4 confirmation? Oh shit, it's like we're *living* in Thedas, anything good that happens is quickly followed by something really bad. 😿
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Karin Weekes @karinweekesCelebrating @genevrael ‘s 16th BioWare workaversary in our grand editorial tradition! ❤️ @el_cormier and I are trying to think of anything we’ve had/done/maintained for 16 years... pbs.twimg.com/media/DUVDXeBVMAAjxBn.jpg Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesOur marriage! (And congratulations, Cori! You are a huge part of what makes BioWare BioWare for me.) [HASH]DAT
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jan 24, 2018 20:29:36 GMT
I mean, couldn't we just have one day to enjoy the sort-of-DA4 confirmation?
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Post by Iakus on Jan 24, 2018 20:54:48 GMT
Best case scenario, it turns out to be a relatively unobtrusive side mode. i’m open to new things when it comes to Anthem, because I see a new IP as a chance to do something a bit different. But I would have thought the lukewarm reception to DAI multiplayer would have taught them that DA players aren’t particularly interested in that kind of thing. The problem with "relatively unobtrusive side mod" is that it tends to not STAY unobtrusive.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jan 24, 2018 22:41:11 GMT
It's a shame you can't just add your codes to Origin, since having to dig out the disc every time I want to play DAO is annoying, not to mention the concern of the disc dying one of these days. I don't want to buy it again (and I shouldn't have to). Whoa. That really sucks. Then I'm glad I bought it online. I can just download it any time I need to (which can be often during mod adventures).
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jan 24, 2018 22:54:37 GMT
From the Kotaku article... "The past year has been tumultuous for BioWare and involved some major changes to the studio. One was to reboot the fourth Dragon Age, which at the time was code-named Joplin, according to two sources. (There’s a running theme here—Anthem’s codename was Dylan.) The goal, those sources said, was to implement more “live” elements into the game, although two of those sources stressed that this next Dragon Age will still have a heavy focus on characters and story, whenever it does come out. It’s not clear what a “live” version of Dragon Age might look like, but EA has been public about its embrace of games as a service, and its lack of interest in releasing $60 games that do not have any sort of revenue tail, whether that means paid extra content, microtransactions, or something else."[HASH]DAT
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jan 25, 2018 0:25:38 GMT
Given that the Sims 4, an entirely single player game, counts as 'live service' just for having expansions and updates - I'm not going to worry about DA4 being 'live service' until I find out what kind it's going to have. The term seems to apply to so many disparate things.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Jan 25, 2018 1:04:33 GMT
Ok, let's just wait & see how this pans out, we still know bugger-all about DA4 & no doubt in the light of this article the DA devs are having Tweets fired at them left & right, we know as soon as they can say something they will & with the game being so far out from release the there is still time for many, many things to be changed.
So I'm going to continue to sit watch & wait, I'll blow up if/when something concrete come out.
Just my thoughts.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jan 25, 2018 3:38:09 GMT
Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrahHalfway through my trip to Barcelona! I’m here showing Anthem internally to EA. I am EP of BOTH DA and Anthem working with @bio_Warner as Game Director Anthem’s up next but there are people hard at work on both franchises and I look forward to sharing more in the future Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesOh crap, I should get to work. I've pretty much been heads-down on my She-Ra/Mumm-Ra slow-burn coffee-shop AU since we shipped Trespasser in 2015. Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrahNo time! I guess it’s canon now Mary Kirby @biomarykirbyYou're not putting that on hold, are you? I'm still waiting for the next chapter to find out if Glimmer ever figures out the espresso machine. this joke chain is hurting my childhood.
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 25, 2018 3:57:38 GMT
@kreflkmmer Thanks Jason, I'm always down for more Dragon Age news. Would you be able to elaborate on what you meant by "reboot"? I took it as the team getting back to work and continue from Inquisition, but it seems like most took it as "scrap where we left off and start from scratch".
Jason Schreier @jasonschreier I don't think it was *that* drastic but it was a directional reboot to add more live service elements to the game.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 25, 2018 4:50:22 GMT
@kreflkmmerThanks Jason, I'm always down for more Dragon Age news. Would you be able to elaborate on what you meant by "reboot"? I took it as the team getting back to work and continue from Inquisition, but it seems like most took it as "scrap where we left off and start from scratch". Jason Schreier @jasonschreierI don't think it was *that* drastic but it was a directional reboot to add more live service elements to the game. 5 degrees to the left confirmed.
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Post by Avejajed on Jan 25, 2018 4:55:54 GMT
The term live service and reboot stress me out for some reason. It was fine how it was.
Luke needs to come calm us (me) down with vague reassurances.
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Post by blighted on Jan 25, 2018 12:21:08 GMT
Casey Hudson @caseydhudson Reading lots of feedback regarding Dragon Age, and I think you’ll be relieved to see what the team is working on. Story & character focused.
Too early to talk details, but when we talk about “live” it just means designing a game for continued storytelling after the main story.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 25, 2018 12:38:00 GMT
Casey Hudson @caseydhudsonReading lots of feedback regarding Dragon Age, and I think you’ll be relieved to see what the team is working on. Story & character focused. Too early to talk details, but when we talk about “live” it just means designing a game for continued storytelling after the main story. Oh that sounds a lot better. Game confirmed with story and character focus and there will be things to do after we've dealt with the main storyline. As they seem not afraid to actually admit they are working on Dragon Age now, I am really hopeful there may be an official announcement about it sometime this year.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jan 25, 2018 12:49:53 GMT
Casey Hudson @caseydhudsonReading lots of feedback regarding Dragon Age, and I think you’ll be relieved to see what the team is working on. Story & character focused. Too early to talk details, but when we talk about “live” it just means designing a game for continued storytelling after the main story. Oh God, thank you soooo much for that clarification Casey!
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Post by azarhal on Jan 25, 2018 13:17:54 GMT
Casey Hudson @caseydhudsonReading lots of feedback regarding Dragon Age, and I think you’ll be relieved to see what the team is working on. Story & character focused. Too early to talk details, but when we talk about “live” it just means designing a game for continued storytelling after the main story. Oh that sounds a lot better. Game confirmed with story and character focus and there will be things to do after we've dealt with the main storyline. As they seem not afraid to actually admit they are working on Dragon Age now, I am really hopeful there may be an official announcement about it sometime this year. Going by the Kotaku article, a skeleton crew is currently working on DA while everyone else was moved to Anthem, don't expect anything until Anthem is released (so 1 to 1.5 years from now depending when Anthem release and how far along DA is). Also, people go crazy over the term "live" elements/services, but it has nothing to do with multiplayer or lootbox or whatever people are calling EA evil for these days. It's support - content, patches, new features- after the game goes live (aka release). That's one of the reasons I personally do not like Schreier's articles, he doesn't filter anything for the layman and he tend to write things without context which actually result into people expecting worst thing than how it is actually (and then posting comments which result into this). Take the engine comments, as a software programmer I can tell you that working with some else code is hard and frustrating. Doesn't matter who made it, what it does or how you use it. If you didn't make it or haven't been working with it for 5+ years, you are going to be annoyed and the older you are the more grumpy you are going to be (and the longer it takes to get used to it). But people read the engine comments and goes "F*** EA they forced BioWare to use that piece of trash".
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jan 25, 2018 13:19:29 GMT
Casey Hudson @caseydhudsonReading lots of feedback regarding Dragon Age, and I think you’ll be relieved to see what the team is working on. Story & character focused. Too early to talk details, but when we talk about “live” it just means designing a game for continued storytelling after the main story. Oh that sounds a lot better. Game confirmed with story and character focus and there will be things to do after we've dealt with the main storyline. As they seem not afraid to actually admit they are working on Dragon Age now, I am really hopeful there may be an official announcement about it sometime this year. It's kinda sad that sp gaming is now in state where they have confirm this in a tweet.
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 25, 2018 13:34:40 GMT
Well, patches and story DLC used to be a standard for BioWare games before, so I'm not sure why that suddenly requires some kind of overhaul/redesign/reboot and is dubbed "live service". Until MEA came around, I took story DLC pretty much for granted.
Am I the only one who's thinking that "continued storytelling" might mean "episodic" à la Telltale? It must be somehow different from standard story DLC if it requires major changes to the game.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jan 25, 2018 13:47:36 GMT
Casey Hudson @caseydhudsonReading lots of feedback regarding Dragon Age, and I think you’ll be relieved to see what the team is working on. Story & character focused. Too early to talk details, but when we talk about “live” it just means designing a game for continued storytelling after the main story. so... cutting the story content in the main game so that you can get dlc out of it for longevity? I don’t personally like midgame dlc for this reason but if the vanilla game feels complete on its own, I can live with getting side areas and missions as dlc. Still don’t see how this would require a “reboot” though. Don’t they kinda already do this? Or at least plan it out at this stage? Isn’t it normal practice to leave your dlc options open? But what else could he mean except dlc?
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