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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jan 25, 2018 13:51:47 GMT
Well, patches and story DLC used to be a standard for BioWare games before, so I'm not sure why that suddenly requires some kind of overhaul/redesign/reboot and is dubbed "live service". Until MEA came around, I took story DLC pretty much for granted. Am I the only one who's thinking that "continued storytelling" might mean "episodic" à la Telltale? It must be somehow different from standard story DLC if it requires major changes to the game. This. I’m actually more confused now with Casey’s tweet instead of less.
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Post by Reznore on Jan 25, 2018 13:53:32 GMT
so... cutting the story content in the main game so that you can get dlc out of it for longevity? I don’t personally like midgame dlc for this reason but if the vanilla game feels complete on its own, I can live with getting side areas and missions as dlc. Still don’t see how this would require a “reboot” though. Isn’t it normal practice to leave your dlc options open? But what else could he mean except dlc? DA almost always did this. We got Witch Hunt and Trespasser. In DA2, Coryphanus was introduced in a DLC. DA loves cliffhangers and throwing sub-plots around that spans multiple games and DLCs. So yes, what's up with a "reboot" ? Why are there talks of "live" content when there was always "live" content to begin with? My bullshit detectors is ringing something fierce.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jan 25, 2018 14:00:11 GMT
so... cutting the story content in the main game so that you can get dlc out of it for longevity? I don’t personally like midgame dlc for this reason but if the vanilla game feels complete on its own, I can live with getting side areas and missions as dlc. Still don’t see how this would require a “reboot” though. Isn’t it normal practice to leave your dlc options open? But what else could he mean except dlc? DA almost always did this. We got Witch Hunt and Trespasser. In DA2, Coryphanus was introduced in a DLC. DA loves cliffhangers and throwing sub-plots around that spans multiple games and DLCs. So yes, what's up with a "reboot" ? Why are there talks of "live" content when there was always "live" content to begin with? My bullshit detectors is ringing something fierce. I edited my post a bit to basically say just this but yeah. Something is still off. I doubt it’s the end of the world, w/e it is. It will probably just be something I won’t be interested in doing. Lol Even if they go the dumb route me3 initially did and do something like requiring multiplayer participation to get the best ending, we’ve cracked frostbite enough to probably mod that out.
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Post by rras1994 on Jan 25, 2018 14:01:15 GMT
so... cutting the story content in the main game so that you can get dlc out of it for longevity? I don’t personally like midgame dlc for this reason but if the vanilla game feels complete on its own, I can live with getting side areas and missions as dlc. Still don’t see how this would require a “reboot” though. Isn’t it normal practice to leave your dlc options open? But what else could he mean except dlc? DA almost always did this. We got Witch Hunt and Trespasser. In DA2, Coryphanus was introduced in a DLC. DA loves cliffhangers and throwing sub-plots around that spans multiple games and DLCs. So yes, what's up with a "reboot" ? Why are there talks of "live" content when there was always "live" content to begin with? My bullshit detectors is ringing something fierce. Cus it isn't live at the moment? You go months with no content in BioWare games at the moment with no new content which compared to GaaS games is not something that happens - Sims 4 for example does something at least once a month, whether it's a stuff pack, game pack or expansion pack release or they have free updates or they have small challenges or just a few free items (like they did a Diwali themed items and last christmas they released a few aussie themed items). And that's a single player game which releases DLC as it's monetisation. BioWare does not have that ort of system set up yet - if you don't have enough coming out to get people to still play your game, it lowers the amount who will actually buy your DLC - that's why games used to sell Day 1 DLC as that's when the game had the biggest audience to buy it (except it got a lot of backlash as some people thought it had been cut from the base game, even though DLC has a separate budget).
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Post by Reznore on Jan 25, 2018 14:08:48 GMT
Cus it isn't live at the moment? You go months with no content in BioWare games at the moment with no new content which compared to GaaS games is not something that happens - Sims 4 for example does something at least once a month, whether it's a stuff pack, game pack or expansion pack release or they have free updates or they have small challenges or just a few free items (like they did a Diwali themed items and last christmas they released a few aussie themed items). And that's a single player game which releases DLC as it's monetisation. BioWare does not have that ort of system set up yet - if you don't have enough coming out to get people to still play your game, it lowers the amount who will actually buy your DLC - that's why games used to sell Day 1 DLC as that's when the game had the biggest audience to buy it (except it got a lot of backlash as some people thought it had been cut from the base game, even though DLC has a separate budget). They had weekly events in DAI multiplayer actually. I don't think the Sims 4 is an example to follow, unless you like your somewhat finished game after 4/5 years with a total cost of 500 $.
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 25, 2018 14:13:26 GMT
Tuomus @tomas_toallumore worried about the definition of "reboot", i will personally drag the black city from the fade if we do not get an answer to what the taint is @caseydhudson Jason Schreier @jasonschreierTo be clear, what I reported was that they rebooted the direction of DA4. Not that they rebooted the whole franchise HanseMo @snayerxWasn't Dragon Age always "live"? They made post-game story-dlc since Origins. Jason Schreier @jasonschreier"Live" implies more frequent, smaller updates. Not one or two massive expansions ...And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Eric Pope @mrpopeAny input on the difference between a “live” rpg and an mmorpg? Or just the evolution of terms? Jason Schreier @jasonschreierI think we are in a strange new world where everyone's still trying to figure that out. Final Fantasy XV seems like the closest example of a live RPG [HASH]DAT
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Post by wickedcool on Jan 25, 2018 14:28:14 GMT
I’m thinking skyrim/witcher-once main story is finished you have other stuff to explore/new content placed directly into game world/paid mods etc. am I the only one that looks at the longevity of skyrim as a cash cow.thats my best case scenario for future
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jan 25, 2018 14:41:57 GMT
Cus it isn't live at the moment? You go months with no content in BioWare games at the moment with no new content which compared to GaaS games is not something that happens - Sims 4 for example does something at least once a month, whether it's a stuff pack, game pack or expansion pack release or they have free updates or they have small challenges or just a few free items (like they did a Diwali themed items and last christmas they released a few aussie themed items). And that's a single player game which releases DLC as it's monetisation. BioWare does not have that ort of system set up yet - if you don't have enough coming out to get people to still play your game, it lowers the amount who will actually buy your DLC - that's why games used to sell Day 1 DLC as that's when the game had the biggest audience to buy it (except it got a lot of backlash as some people thought it had been cut from the base game, even though DLC has a separate budget). I'm imagining some stuff like Satinalia events and others... First Annual Ferelden Cheese Festival, maybe? Borrowing from the MMOs, I guess, but keeping it a SP game. I hope. New hairstyle packs? New clothes? Dresses for the people who really really want to wear dresses? Who knows. It could be a great way to meet those fan wishes, actually - not having to have everything ready to go at release, but releasing cool new stuff periodically. I'm a player who usually can only play the game through once, because after that I know the main plot arch. And I'm a completionist so I've done all the sidequests already on that first playthrough. But I think I'd probably crack open the game to see what a live service special event is like.
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Post by apollexander on Jan 25, 2018 14:59:58 GMT
Tuomus @tomas_toallumore worried about the definition of "reboot", i will personally drag the black city from the fade if we do not get an answer to what the taint is @caseydhudson Jason Schreier @jasonschreierTo be clear, what I reported was that they rebooted the direction of DA4. Not that they rebooted the whole franchise HanseMo @snayerxWasn't Dragon Age always "live"? They made post-game story-dlc since Origins. Jason Schreier @jasonschreier"Live" implies more frequent, smaller updates. Not one or two massive expansions ...And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Eric Pope @mrpopeAny input on the difference between a “live” rpg and an mmorpg? Or just the evolution of terms? Jason Schreier @jasonschreierI think we are in a strange new world where everyone's still trying to figure that out. Final Fantasy XV seems like the closest example of a live RPG Maybe they are learning from Ubisoft. I heard that ACO, The Division, and even Rainbow 6 Siege are being updated for quite a long period. Especially, ACO is mainly a SP game but contents are being added.
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Ryan Treadwell ryan_TreadwellCatching up on all the BioWare news. I'm super interested to see how the new Dragon Age does narrative in a persistent world! That's an interesting problem to solve. (if I understand that correctly) [HASH]DAT
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jan 25, 2018 16:09:38 GMT
*reads thread* To be clear, I'm not panicking. But I knew what was said was going to stir things in the dark places...
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Fernando Melo DiscoBabalooAlso, fwiw, every single DA game to date has had "live elements" of some sort ppl :/ [HASH]DAT
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 25, 2018 16:35:34 GMT
Master of Disaster @sindurah@mike_Laidlaw @biomarkdarrah Hi, I’m looking to take up the Bruce Venne challenge but I’m unsure if this means that I have to play 1,957 hours in a month, or..? pbs.twimg.com/media/DUYhsjhX0AAeXVs.jpg Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrahThe actual challenge was just to play more than what he played that month. 1957 hours is 81 days. So if you can do that in a month, you have a big future! [HASH]DAT
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Post by melbella on Jan 25, 2018 17:11:19 GMT
Um, even at 31 days, there are only 744 hrs in a month. So, unless someone is playing 24/7 on several platforms at once, it isn't possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 17:18:18 GMT
Fernando Melo DiscoBabalooAlso, fwiw, every single DA game to date has had "live elements" of some sort ppl :/ [HASH]DAT So Jason was just trying to stir up trouble with his vague article. Good to know.
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 25, 2018 17:37:39 GMT
Fernando Melo DiscoBabaloo Retweeted Casey Hudson Also, fwiw, every single DA game to date has had "live elements" of some sort ppl :/ Emma abilitydrain : So the game is still definitely an RPG and hasn't been rebooted into a different genre? Fernando Melo DiscoBabaloo: prob still yrs away so things could change. but everything i'm aware of points to it being "a DA game" (tm) Well, that's something at least. "A DA Game" "prob still yrs away"
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 25, 2018 17:41:59 GMT
Fernando Melo DiscoBabalooAlso, fwiw, every single DA game to date has had "live elements" of some sort ppl :/ [HASH]DAT So Jason was just trying to stir up trouble with his vague article. Good to know. It’s almost as if ad-supported articles have some kind of profit motive that aligns with stirring up trouble. Panicked clicks, “looking for flaws in the article” clicks, and confused clicks are all still clicks.
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So Jason was just trying to stir up trouble with his vague article. Good to know. It’s almost as if ad-supported articles have some kind of profit motive that aligns with stirring up trouble. Panicked clicks, “looking for flaws in the article” clicks, and confused clicks are all still clicks. Yes, yes...hindsight something, something.
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Fernando Melo DiscoBabaloo Retweeted Casey Hudson Also, fwiw, every single DA game to date has had "live elements" of some sort ppl :/ Emma abilitydrain : So the game is still definitely an RPG and hasn't been rebooted into a different genre? Fernando Melo DiscoBabaloo: prob still yrs away so things could change. but everything i'm aware of points to it being "a DA game" (tm) Well, that's something at least. Thank you for asking that. As usual, you get to the heart of the matter pdq. 💋
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Fernando Melo DiscoBabaloo: prob still yrs away so things could change. but everything i'm aware of points to it being "a DA game" (tm) Well, that's something at least. I love that you got some info, but the "yrs' away" really makes me want to swear again. *tears*
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Post by abilitydrain on Jan 25, 2018 18:11:27 GMT
Fernando Melo DiscoBabaloo Retweeted Casey Hudson Also, fwiw, every single DA game to date has had "live elements" of some sort ppl :/ Emma abilitydrain : So the game is still definitely an RPG and hasn't been rebooted into a different genre? Fernando Melo DiscoBabaloo: prob still yrs away so things could change. but everything i'm aware of points to it being "a DA game" (tm) Well, that's something at least. Thank you for asking that. As usual, you get to the heart of the matter pdq. 💋 Not a problem! I hate that whole obscure PR speak bullshit, so I figured I'd just ask directly lol.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jan 25, 2018 18:26:17 GMT
Fernando Melo DiscoBabaloo Retweeted Casey Hudson Also, fwiw, every single DA game to date has had "live elements" of some sort ppl :/ Emma abilitydrain : So the game is still definitely an RPG and hasn't been rebooted into a different genre? Fernando Melo DiscoBabaloo: prob still yrs away so things could change. but everything i'm aware of points to it being "a DA game" (tm) Well, that's something at least. "A DA Game" "prob still yrs away" Sometimes I wonder if EA is allergic to making money. It's in their best interest to get games out a bit more quickly. Not so quick that they look like DA2, but this is ridiculous. *sigh* stuff gets mis-managed all the time though. Just a reality. I don't know anything for sure, but this all reads a bit to me like EA is mis-managing Bioware. EA gets the blame in my book because they're the ones ultimately responsible for all their divisions to run smoothly and profitably. EA, Solas is ageless. We hanging precariously on the Solas cliff-hanger, however, are not.
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