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Post by Heimdall on Jan 27, 2018 2:29:16 GMT
Well yeah - but we're already talking about a series on which people will be spending hundreds of hours on, that has been designed for 'series-ness' and/or replayability from the start.
If they are already doing it/have been doing it, then wtf is a "reboot" even necessary? Reboot generally means: something has changed. If it isn't the "live" or "continuous" element, what is it?
Reboot is the word Jason used, not necessarily the developers. And I hear Jason has been backpedaling from that word on Twitter, so there’s that.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 27, 2018 2:40:43 GMT
Well yeah - but we're already talking about a series on which people will be spending hundreds of hours on, that has been designed for 'series-ness' and/or replayability from the start.
If they are already doing it/have been doing it, then wtf is a "reboot" even necessary? Reboot generally means: something has changed. If it isn't the "live" or "continuous" element, what is it?
I don't know - would DAI's additional year and more races/romances for PC constitute a reboot? We don't know how often each game goes through a 'reboot' of that sort, or if it's even called a 'reboot'. Perhaps this happens all the time - we just happened to find out about this one through largely vague and unspecific article and for us, mostly non-devs, unfamiliar with gamedev process or internal nomenclature, this thing seems exotic and unusual, while in reality it is anything but? After all, Bioware devs have already chimed in and said it's not as big of a deal as some people make it to be, and live services of some sort have been present in every Dragon Age game to date.
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Post by melbella on Jan 27, 2018 2:40:46 GMT
Ah yes. He also had to backpedal on some other sensationalist piece of crap he wrote, didn't he? Reporting is about facts: who, what, when, why, how. Everything else is opinion and conjecture. I'm not sure this guy knows the difference.
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Post by melbella on Jan 27, 2018 2:44:11 GMT
If they are already doing it/have been doing it, then wtf is a "reboot" even necessary? Reboot generally means: something has changed. If it isn't the "live" or "continuous" element, what is it?
I don't know - would DAI's additional year and more races/romances for PC constituted a reboot? We don't know how often each game goes through a 'reboot' of that sort, or if it's even called a 'reboot'. Perhaps this happens all the time - we just happened to find out about this one through largely vague and unspecific article and for us, mostly non-devs, unfamiliar with gamedev process or internal nomenclature, this things seems exotic and unusual, while it is anything but? After all, Bioware devs have already chimed in and said it's not as big of a deal as some people make it to be, and live services of some sort have been present in every Dragon Age game to date.
Of course they would say that. But remember the times we live in. A studio was just recently closed and the game they were working on "rebooted" into something totally different than what it had been. I don't believe this Jason guy used the word without knowing what images it would conjure up. If he's having to backpedal now, good. Maybe in the future he'll be more careful with his language, though for some reason I doubt it.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 27, 2018 2:53:30 GMT
Of course they would say that. But remember the times we live in. A studio was just recently closed and the game they were working on "rebooted" into something totally different than what it had been. I don't believe this Jason guy used the word without knowing what images it would conjure up. If he's having to backpedal now, good. Maybe in the future he'll be more careful with his language, though for some reason I doubt it. Even if he would, I imagine any news would be blown out of proportion anyhow. Anthem got delayed, it's been known already that it's been delayed, and though Schreier has written multiple times in his article that Bioware devs he's spoke with aren't worried about state of game or its progress, we immediately began hearing about articles and youtube videos making it seem like the game's in development hell...
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Post by warrior on Jan 27, 2018 5:05:27 GMT
I've changed my prediction from a 2019 release (til 2020 expansions), to 2020 release (til 2021-2022 updates/expansions). And Mass Effect to only happen in whatever we call 'next gen', but either the first or second major Bioware release for then (early to mid 2020s). Thanks Jason. You're more optimistic than me. Christ, I remember when Inquisition first came out, and someone told me "Well, there's usually only three years between games, so you should get your resolution by 2017 or so," and I thought that was an unbearably long time to wait. What youthful naivete. What beautiful halcyon days. OMG same. You can't have a cliffhanger and then take that many years between games. What the actual fuck.
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Post by warrior on Jan 27, 2018 5:09:41 GMT
So we will not be getting DA4 until 2021? That's a really long wait for a game that ended in a a cliff hanger. It's really not very smart. People lose interest. And those of us who don't are just frustrated. Like, I will say again... what the actual fuck. At least it's been semi-confirmed that we will get another game.
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Post by Fredward on Jan 27, 2018 5:46:17 GMT
If it's released in 2021 the space of time between DAI and DA4 will be as long as it took to create the entire setting (7 years). Would EA be cool with that? Even if it is in low-key development for like 4 of those years? It's a very long time. I need to rationalize why it won't actually be that long. It's funny cuz the DA team was so happy they wouldn't have to deal with a console generation shift but if it's gonna take that long they totally will have to deal with a console generation shift again.
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Post by Fredward on Jan 27, 2018 14:08:15 GMT
^ I'm sure Bioware will work wonders with this helpful, actionable insight you keep giving them.
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Post by brandoftime on Jan 27, 2018 14:08:31 GMT
Just as a curious side note: Why is Jason Schrier the only one who gets these news stories? Any other outlets confirm this? It's just like the MEA fiasco all over again and I have to wonder why BW devs only (seem) to talk to Jason, an not say, PCGamer or Polygon . . .
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jan 27, 2018 16:17:07 GMT
Just as a curious side note: Why is Jason Schrier the only one who gets these news stories? Any other outlets confirm this? It's just like the MEA fiasco all over again and I have to wonder why BW devs only (seem) to talk to Jason, an not say, PCGamer or Polygon . . . Eh, let's please not make this a whole big discussion about that guy again. Maybe pick another thread.
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 27, 2018 18:47:35 GMT
Just as a curious side note: Why is Jason Schrier the only one who gets these news stories? Any other outlets confirm this? It's just like the MEA fiasco all over again and I have to wonder why BW devs only (seem) to talk to Jason, an not say, PCGamer or Polygon . . . Maybe they want someone to trust to expose the toxicity of the company corrupted by EA.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 27, 2018 19:53:39 GMT
WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. FUCK??? That was the most random, nonsensical, confused and slapped-together gibberish I've seen in a long time. Here's just one excerpt that left me reeling: "The question, right now, is when that journey will continue. The commercial failure of Mass Effect: Andromeda, a game that is broadly Inquisition in space with half the charm, appears to have wrought a change of priorities at BioWare and EA. A fourth Dragon Age is underway, but the departure of veteran writer David Gaider and Inquisition’s creative director Mike Laidlaw suggests that EA is taking the series and Mass Effect back to formula." Here's another: "Likewise Solas, an alternately pleasant and forbidding scholar who responds well to an inquiring mind, and who slowly completes a mural of your feats at Skyhold as the adventure unfolds." -- because, obviously, his mural is his most salient contribution to the narrative ... Honestly, I've seen rants on this forum that were 10x better written than that pile of fennec droppings.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 27, 2018 19:58:18 GMT
WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. FUCK??? That was the most random, nonsensical, confused and slapped-together gibberish I've seen in a long time. Here's just one excerpt that left me reeling: "The question, right now, is when that journey will continue. The commercial failure of Mass Effect: Andromeda, a game that is broadly Inquisition in space with half the charm, appears to have wrought a change of priorities at BioWare and EA. A fourth Dragon Age is underway, but the departure of veteran writer David Gaider and Inquisition’s creative director Mike Laidlaw suggests that EA is taking the series and Mass Effect back to formula."
Here's another:
"Likewise Solas, an alternately pleasant and forbidding scholar who responds well to an inquiring mind, and who slowly completes a mural of your feats at Skyhold as the adventure unfolds."
-- because, obviously, his mural is his most salient contribution to the narrative ...
Honestly, I've seen rants on this forum that were 10x better written than that pile of fennec droppings.
I think the author is under the impression - after reading the 'reboot' comments from Schreier - that Bioware is scrapping everything DA team did to date and start anew with the series, while we already know that it ain't the case.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 27, 2018 20:05:34 GMT
WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. FUCK??? That was the most random, nonsensical, confused and slapped-together gibberish I've seen in a long time. Here's just one excerpt that left me reeling: "The question, right now, is when that journey will continue. The commercial failure of Mass Effect: Andromeda, a game that is broadly Inquisition in space with half the charm, appears to have wrought a change of priorities at BioWare and EA. A fourth Dragon Age is underway, but the departure of veteran writer David Gaider and Inquisition’s creative director Mike Laidlaw suggests that EA is taking the series and Mass Effect back to formula."
Here's another:
"Likewise Solas, an alternately pleasant and forbidding scholar who responds well to an inquiring mind, and who slowly completes a mural of your feats at Skyhold as the adventure unfolds."
-- because, obviously, his mural is his most salient contribution to the narrative ...
Honestly, I've seen rants on this forum that were 10x better written than that pile of fennec droppings.
I think the author is under the impression - after reading the 'reboot' comments from Schreier - that Bioware is scrapping everything DA team did to date and start anew with the series, while we already know that it ain't the case. Except that "back to formula" is the opposite of start anew. I'm not disagreeing with you, just pointing out how clueless that author of that "article" was. Back to formula -- pfft. As if DAI was some huge departure from formula. And as written, it implies that it was David Gaider who departed from the formula, and that his leaving enables a return to formula? Completely upside-down and backwards.
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 27, 2018 20:10:16 GMT
WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. FUCK??? That was the most random, nonsensical, confused and slapped-together gibberish I've seen in a long time. Here's just one excerpt that left me reeling: "The question, right now, is when that journey will continue. The commercial failure of Mass Effect: Andromeda, a game that is broadly Inquisition in space with half the charm, appears to have wrought a change of priorities at BioWare and EA. A fourth Dragon Age is underway, but the departure of veteran writer David Gaider and Inquisition’s creative director Mike Laidlaw suggests that EA is taking the series and Mass Effect back to formula." Here's another: "Likewise Solas, an alternately pleasant and forbidding scholar who responds well to an inquiring mind, and who slowly completes a mural of your feats at Skyhold as the adventure unfolds." -- because, obviously, his mural is his most salient contribution to the narrative ... Honestly, I've seen rants on this forum that were 10x better written than that pile of fennec droppings. Well bless you for saving me from having to read all that. It's been such a busy week I started drifting off after the first couple of paragraphs and went back to Netflix.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jan 27, 2018 22:16:08 GMT
Hey guys. We expecting a 2020+ release for DA4?
I'm already itching for some Dragon Age...
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Post by rras1994 on Jan 27, 2018 22:19:23 GMT
Hey guys. We expecting a 2020+ release for DA4? I'm already itching for some Dragon Age... It's hard to tell, Ask a Game Dev recently posted as of late 2016 the game was expected by EA to be out pre 2020 but the reboot may adjust things. In saying that, the last game Jason Schriers reported got rebooted during development was released 16 months after reboot (Destiny 2), so basically, who knows?
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 27, 2018 23:08:10 GMT
I'm just trying to wrap my head around the possibility of 7+ years between games.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jan 27, 2018 23:15:13 GMT
I'm just trying to wrap my head around the possibility of 7+ years between games. Me after Trespasser was released: "Wow, with ME:A coming out in 2016 I'm sure we'll have DA4 2017 or early 2018! I mean, now they have experience working with Frostbite, the hard work is already done! It's still a long wait, but I'll manage!" Poor little naive me...
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Post by phoray on Jan 27, 2018 23:18:08 GMT
I just feel like they actually have no excuse for the dealy on DA4 other than "we were working on other games that we thought would make more money."
And that just kinda ticks me off.
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Post by theblackadder13 on Jan 28, 2018 0:26:05 GMT
I just feel like they actually have no excuse for the dealy on DA4 other than "we were working on other games that we thought would make more money." And that just kinda ticks me off. This X100. I said it another thread but they really have to stop treating like DA like the red-headed step child. Not only is it unfair to the fans, it doesn't make a lick of business sense. You already have a popular, well-selling franchise with the last installment winning GOTY and here they are leeching staff off the fourth installment of that franchise to work on a brand new, untested IP that's a complete 180 degree shift from the type of games Bioware has worked on in the past that may or may not be a success. Ugh.
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