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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 28, 2018 1:32:42 GMT
And now all hope rests with Dragon Age, the black sheep of the Bioware family.
“But Anthem might be good ...”
Keep telling yourself that. I hope it brings you comfort.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 28, 2018 1:38:53 GMT
I just feel like they actually have no excuse for the delay on DA4 other than "we were working on other games that we thought would make more money." And their competitors are making the same calculation. Hiring even a single programmer has a one-time cost in the range of $1mil, plus a yearly salary at or near six figures.* And even the smallest, most stripped-down indie games typically have many more than one person in the credits. That money has to come from somewhere. If the developer is extraordinarily lucky, maybe they have enough from their spouse, parents, or retirement savings to get them started. Otherwise, they need to pretty ruthlessly focus on making money. — *why are programmers so expensive? Well, most software companies have lower costs than game companies (ex: “level designer” is not a role that my non-game software team has to fill), so they can afford to offer more. Also, Western STEM education sucks, both academically and culturally — math and CS are presented as boring, memorization-heavy fields that only geniuses are able to comprehend, which is a load of horseshit. But that’s a rant for another day.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 28, 2018 2:14:46 GMT
I just feel like they actually have no excuse for the dealy on DA4 other than "we were working on other games that we thought would make more money." And that just kinda ticks me off. This X100. I said it another thread but they really have to stop treating like DA like the red-headed step child. Not only is it unfair to the fans, it doesn't make a lick of business sense. You already have a popular, well-selling franchise with the last installment winning GOTY and here they are leeching staff off the fourth installment of that franchise to work on a brand new, untested IP that's a complete 180 degree shift from the type of games Bioware has worked on in the past that may or may not be a success. Ugh. Hmmmm... I think people forget that the article mentions that, at a time, they did for DAI what they later did for MEA and now Anthem: they've poured most or their resources and people into finishing the game. I gather that after the bulk of work is done on the Anthem, the same thing will happen for Dragon Age and then, some other project.
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 28, 2018 3:21:28 GMT
Kelly Berry @loonymoony818 Had a dream last night - at my old high school, breaking into the chemistry lab to kill some random lady who was trying to steal the "secret of Dragon Age 4" @patrickweekes @biomarkdarrah & @mike_Laidlaw were all there too. Patrick was "the secret keeper" whatever that means 😂
Mike Laidlaw @mike_Laidlaw Sounds accurate
Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrah Doesn’t that mean he is a journal for tween girls from the 90s?
Mike Laidlaw @mike_Laidlaw Only if he's also a trapper.
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes In a way, the secret of DA4 has been inside all of us all along. Or at least since I got Mark and Mike drunk and dated them to swallow those USB sticks.
On one hand, I should correct that to “dared”. On the other hand... (eyebrow waggle) 😍
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Post by phoray on Jan 28, 2018 3:47:32 GMT
Nice to see them in good spirits.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 28, 2018 3:49:21 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesIn a way, the secret of DA4 has been inside all of us all along. Or at least since I got Mark and Mike drunk and dated them to swallow those USB sticks. NSFW!
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 28, 2018 7:14:48 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesIn a way, the secret of DA4 has been inside all of us all along. Or at least since I got Mark and Mike drunk and dated them to swallow those USB sticks. NSFW! My brain was immediately way too invested in this implied AU where Mike and Mark are sexy robots. Like, I found myself genuinely asking myself whether it made sense for highly advanced robots to be using USB, or if their character designer had slapped on the crotch drives because they were feeling juvenile. Also, do the USB sticks detach, and does another one immediately slide out to replace it? Because in this typo!AU, Patrick is swallowing not just the data but the drives themselves. In this universe, is he a robot as well? Or wait, they get drunk. So is everyone actually a cyborg, and the USB sticks are the replacement appendages following some horrific wasting disease? These are the kinds of things we need to know. For the wiki.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 28, 2018 13:52:43 GMT
To add to this very strange conversation:
Last night I had a dream that Casey Hudson tried to sell me a house and got mad when I locked myself in an upstairs closet so I could read a nerdy book about atheism. I... I have no explanation for this, but my UI insisted he was pretty pissed.
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Post by phoray on Jan 28, 2018 14:45:48 GMT
but my UI insisted he was pretty pissed. you have a user interface?
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Post by Gilli on Jan 28, 2018 14:49:47 GMT
but my UI insisted he was pretty pissed. you have a user interface? Gamers dream with GUI on.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jan 28, 2018 14:51:21 GMT
To add to this very strange conversation: Last night I had a dream that Casey Hudson tried to sell me a house and got mad when I locked myself in an upstairs closet so I could read a nerdy book about atheism. I... I have no explanation for this, but my UI insisted he was pretty pissed. Casey Greatly Disapproves
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 28, 2018 15:21:39 GMT
but my UI insisted he was pretty pissed. you have a user interface? The Fade makes your dreams come true! :dumb:
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Post by phoray on Jan 28, 2018 15:36:30 GMT
you have a user interface? The Fade makes your dreams come true! :dumb: you're in my good book.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jan 28, 2018 16:18:54 GMT
I'm just trying to wrap my head around the possibility of 7+ years between games. Eh Skyrim was released in 2011 and we still don't know what the next TES game will be lol
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 28, 2018 16:22:29 GMT
I'm just trying to wrap my head around the possibility of 7+ years between games. Eh Skyrim was released in 2011 and we still don't know what the next TES game will be lol Eh, yeah but Skyrim's all about the modding and you can completely ignore the main plot. Most of the characters don't matter much because in-universe like 200 years have passed between games. Just feels different. Also I care about one but not the other.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 28, 2018 19:29:29 GMT
I'm just trying to wrap my head around the possibility of 7+ years between games Eh Skyrim was released in 2011 and we still don't know what the next TES game will be lol But Skyrim has been re-released 72 times since then. Plus there was ES Online.
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Post by rras1994 on Jan 28, 2018 19:30:49 GMT
Eh Skyrim was released in 2011 and we still don't know what the next TES game will be lol But Skyrim has been re-released 72 times since then.Plus there was ES Online. Isn't ES online a separate developer though?
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 28, 2018 19:37:53 GMT
But Skyrim has been re-released 72 times since then.Plus there was ES Online. Isn't ES online a separate developer though? It's a separate developer created by Bethesda specifically to develop and maintain ESO.
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Post by inquisitor007 on Jan 28, 2018 20:45:25 GMT
You'd think a Skyrim sequel would have been a no-brainer by now given its success, because I don't think ESO qualifies. However, it goes to show that there are numerous factors involved in the timing of sequels and even if sequels ever happen at all. And look at Witcher. There may never be another sequel because it seems the studio just wants to 'move on' from it, no matter how much it sold or how many accolades it received.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 28, 2018 21:21:50 GMT
You'd think a Skyrim sequel would have been a no-brainer by now given its success, because I don't think ESO qualifies. However, it goes to show that there are numerous factors involved in the timing of sequels and even if sequels ever happen at all. And look at Witcher. There may never be another sequel because it seems the studio just wants to 'move on' from it, no matter how much it sold or how many accolades it received. Well, it's not like Bethesda Game Studios has sat on their hands. They did Fallout 4 and all those afore-mentioned Skyrim re-releases, which require less effort than developing a new game but rake in comparable mountains of cash.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 28, 2018 21:37:20 GMT
I just feel like they actually have no excuse for the dealy on DA4 other than "we were working on other games that we thought would make more money." And that just kinda ticks me off. I get what you are saying, but perhaps it's just a matter of perspective. "We are working on the cash cow game that will fund passion projects like DA4, which we'd otherwise have to cancel."
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 28, 2018 21:51:06 GMT
You'd think a Skyrim sequel would have been a no-brainer by now given its success, because I don't think ESO qualifies. However, it goes to show that there are numerous factors involved in the timing of sequels and even if sequels ever happen at all. And look at Witcher. There may never be another sequel because it seems the studio just wants to 'move on' from it, no matter how much it sold or how many accolades it received. Folks from Bethesda have stated that the want to be more for more games than just TES. Hence they're not rushing to make a new one.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 28, 2018 22:07:49 GMT
You'd think a Skyrim sequel would have been a no-brainer by now given its success, because I don't think ESO qualifies. However, it goes to show that there are numerous factors involved in the timing of sequels and even if sequels ever happen at all. And look at Witcher. There may never be another sequel because it seems the studio just wants to 'move on' from it, no matter how much it sold or how many accolades it received. Folks from Bethesda have stated that the want to be more for more games than just TES. Hence they're not rushing to make a new one. While I think that's quite likely, I don't think that's the whole story. Some of it is the effort syphoned into Fallout 4. Some of it's got to be staying out of the competitive shadow of The Witcher series. Some of it has to be the completely unexpected and lucrative success of Fallout Shelter (mobile game). Some of it might have been waiting for the console platforms to catch up to PC. And some of it might be that they are trying to learn from the mistakes of Fallout 4 and not repeat them.
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Post by melbella on Jan 28, 2018 22:09:09 GMT
Aren't they also supposed to be working on some new space game or something???
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 28, 2018 22:14:59 GMT
Folks from Bethesda have stated that the want to be more for more games than just TES. Hence they're not rushing to make a new one. While I think that's quite likely, I don't think that's the whole story. Some of it is the effort syphoned into Fallout 4. Some of it's got to be staying out of the competitive shadow of The Witcher series. Some of it has to be the completely unexpected and lucrative success of Fallout Shelter (mobile game). Some of it might have been waiting for the console platforms to catch up to PC. And some of it might be that they are trying to learn from the mistakes of Fallout 4 and not repeat them. From the looks of it they may need a new engine.
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