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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 21, 2018 5:58:36 GMT
I don’t mind text adventurness of the war table so much except for background quests being there. And the cameos, like Zevran or Rhys and Evangeline. I suppose the background quests might not have been quite as grand if they’d been something we participated in cus then they become actual set pieces that need to be made. But keeping the text and just interacting in a pivotal quest in the chain would have been enough. For the Dalish one for example lemme go with whoever I sent my support with and defend my clan against the bandits, maybe changing conditions accordingly depending on war table choices. The wycome stuff (which was also cool) could stay text. Just give me a taste. This. So much this. The fact that we couldn't interact with our 'origin' save through war table text was the only part of it where I thought "yeah, this sucks". I never thought it was heaps of fun and would gladly have traded it for some more adventures. But that example...was the only time I was ever annoyed by the War Table being what it was.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 21, 2018 5:59:48 GMT
*Hugs her No Waiting war table mod forever and ever * B..b..but the "ease" and "convenience" of changing your system clock....how do you survive without it?
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Post by TheodoricFriede on Feb 21, 2018 6:18:10 GMT
B..b..but the "ease" and "convenience" of changing your system clock....how do you survive without it? Ah, a PC gamer that thinks they're superior to everyone. You never see those anywhere.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 21, 2018 6:42:36 GMT
Wow. That was uncalled for.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Feb 21, 2018 7:50:36 GMT
If Bioware games were playable on anything other than EA's Malware of a platform, I might consider it. Until then, I will enjoy the ease and convenience of a console. So whats malware in it. Really. I want to know. Not some old findings, but current plz.
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Post by correctamundo on Feb 21, 2018 8:58:14 GMT
Eh, it just felt to me like Codex 2.0 to me where you can "influence" the world here and there. Without actually seeing those choices, it's hard to see the ramifications of those choices. Also, i try to read them, but they get to the point where I just use the date and time glitch and blast threw them real quick. There are quite a lot of choices you can see. They are out there in the world. All the litle scenes and conversations npcs are having they change based on the WT and the other quests. Some scenes will only happen if you make certain WT choices and you can interact with those scenes as well.
I'm not much for rushing through a beautiful game like DAI and that goes for the war table as well.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 21, 2018 9:58:39 GMT
My main complaint about the War Table was lack of consistency. With some quests it was really important you chose the right Advisor (Lavellan's clan or the Grey Warden missions spring to mind) but with others it really didn't seem to matter except perhaps in what loot you were given as reward.
The first game I took the War Table really seriously for the first half of the game but the missions were stacking up because I hadn't realised how they continued to operate in real time even after I signed off for the night. Since with most of the early missions it didn't really seem to matter which Advisor I chose I started just using whoever was free with disastrous results.
Second game I realised how I could manipulate the clock if I saved the long missions for when I signed off and had a better idea when I needed to be careful which person I chose, so I was able to keep them ticking over much better and have more successful outcomes.
Incidentally, the fact that no one commented on your loss if your mistakes wiped out your clan made the War Table seem less relevant to the wider world. I had just learned that my entire family had died, went out to talk to Josie and she immediately started complaining how her family were having to work a bit hard. Boohoo, I just lost my entire family and you don't even care you pampered princess. (That's how it felt at the time anyway)
So I liked the War Table but I think it was too random how the choice of advisors worked and the length of time some took to complete. If they fixed those aspects the next game I would be happy to have a War Table again.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 21, 2018 11:11:53 GMT
My main complaint about the War Table was lack of consistency. With some quests it was really important you chose the right Advisor (Lavellan's clan or the Grey Warden missions spring to mind) but with others it really didn't seem to matter except perhaps in what loot you were given as reward. That just seems like variety to me, rather than lack of consistency. There are a lot of war table missions. If every single one was an Important Choice, it would have been even more tedious. It's just like standard questing: there are some quests that are important, and some quests that are not.
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Post by Fredward on Feb 21, 2018 13:32:53 GMT
Mark me down as a fan of the war table too, felt like stuff was happening in the world that wasn't directly related to my Inquisitor's actions/presence. The time frames were annoying but meh, usually I had enough stuff to do to let it play out and if I didn't it's easy enough to adjust the time. It's something I definitely wanna see them work on/evolve some more rather than scrap.
Which is also what I wanted them to do with the friendship/rivalry thing but oh well.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 21, 2018 13:47:57 GMT
Which is also what I wanted them to do with the friendship/rivalry thing but oh well. I take your point here, because it did add some interesting dynamism to the DA2 relationships, BUT I do feel that you need a visible meter for that, and I was quite happy they removed that gamey device from the game (even though we still did get dis/approval messages). Also, I feel that the DA2 system lends itself to the player gaming things to get their desired outcome and that it is too easy to keep a relationship in the middle range and not change anything. It's very possible to do that in DA2 depending on your roleplay and decision making, and also which followers you choose to bring around.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Feb 21, 2018 15:37:02 GMT
B..b..but the "ease" and "convenience" of changing your system clock....how do you survive without it? Ah, a PC gamer that thinks they're superior to everyone. You never see those anywhere. You can do this glitch/cheat on PS4 (pretty sure on Xbox as well).
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 21, 2018 17:03:24 GMT
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Post by Gilli on Feb 21, 2018 17:07:37 GMT
*coughs*Just play Multiplayer and you're soo involved in the War Table missions.*cough* I mean, really, you get: Escort Missions Getting artifacts: Killing high ranking targets: Also you get to hear Samson, pardon the "Red Templar Commander" shout "THOSE WERE MY MEN!" Ewwww....multiplayer... 😉 Can't hear you over ZITHER!'s awesome lute solo. (gif of my ZITHER! made by the wonderful Rascoth ) *coughs*Just play Multiplayer and you're soo involved in the War Table missions.*cough* Your enthusiasm is so infectious. you make it sound so fun. I guess the one time I tried, I was glitching super bad, but it seemed very unexciting. Additionally, "leveling up" was super confusing. I buy a thing, but for who, and where do I get it? *meh quit* It is fun. Yeah, I think we would've needed someone else as host, as distance to the host can make a big difference. I mostly don't have problems playing with people from the US, emphasis on mostly, as it still can happen, even when you're host. The promoting system is a bit confusing in the beginning, yes. If you mean "armor" with "thing," then buying an armor means unlocking a chara (if you don't already have them) and you find them in the character selection. You can also craft their armors and unlock them that way, but just waiting to get them via the chests is much cheaper.
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Post by Gilli on Feb 21, 2018 17:09:01 GMT
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 21, 2018 17:12:21 GMT
BioWare @bioware*Turns on incognito mode* “I am the shadows. I am but a whisper in the wind” pbs.twimg.com/media/DWkwcuoU0AET58x.jpg- Hmm, I don't recognize this offhand. Where's this image from...?
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 21, 2018 17:44:12 GMT
HavenCon @havenconThere are 7 days left to submit your writing sample for the Writing Review Panel hosted by @karinweekes @patrickweekes and @davidgaider! www.havencontx.com/new-fiction-writers-review-by-goh-david-gaider-patrick-and-karin-weekes/ … Mary Kirby @biomarykirbyI have had my writing eviscerated by all three of these fine people, and let me tell you, it is an excellent experience and you should try it. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesWell that's TECHNICALLY a recommendation... [HASH]DAT
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Feb 21, 2018 17:53:48 GMT
HavenCon @havenconThere are 7 days left to submit your writing sample for the Writing Review Panel hosted by @karinweekes @patrickweekes and @davidgaider! www.havencontx.com/new-fiction-writers-review-by-goh-david-gaider-patrick-and-karin-weekes/ … Mary Kirby @biomarykirbyI have had my writing eviscerated by all three of these fine people, and let me tell you, it is an excellent experience and you should try it. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesWell that's TECHNICALLY a recommendation... Somebody grab some Photoshop and fix poor Gaider! Sheesh!
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Post by thats1evildude on Feb 21, 2018 18:02:05 GMT
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 21, 2018 18:23:05 GMT
Not realizing that long wait times for players, however "realistic" they may be, created a gigantic disincentive for players to experience the cool mini-stories in the first place! Espeically for multi-stage missions. I can barely remember what I did an hour ago, let alone 11 or 14. Hmm.. didn't have this problem myself, except with the Investigate Hunter Fell chain. Edit: the design problem there is that you can't review past stages. I'm not sure I'm following the italed... having choices lead to different outcomes is a problem?
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Post by ajensis on Feb 21, 2018 18:31:38 GMT
Patrick Weekes just did a handful of tweets about the war table and some of it touches upon what you're discussing: (I bet Hrungr is gonna ninja me in the time it takes me to copy-paste them - edit: oh, he didn't! I hope he didn't die or something ) Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesAlso, most of the time, choosing one adviser over another is just flavor, and then you stop reading the text and accidentally wipe out your Dalish clan because oops that one mattered. (This was maybe not the best design choice. My bad.) kotaku.com/dragon-age-inquisition-s-war-table-brought-the-wider-w-1823169693A minor Hindsight Goggles dev thread: most or all of the writers did war table operations. Luke K and I did many of the more complex ones -- ones with choices beyond "different flavor text/reward at the end" (not all us, but some). We did some that were "different operation opens up later" -- dealing with Orlesian politics, setting up a wedding, for example. I feel like those are fine. But I specifically did some that included more puzzle/win-or-lose scenarios. The Belles of Hunter Fell, sending Grey Wardens on missions after Adamant, missions with the Chargers or the Ben-Hassrath, and of course, your Dalish clan. Again, some of these feel fine in retrospect. Belles of Hunter Fell is just a logic puzzle (albeit one I expected you to take notes for or remember over several hours of unrelated gameplay), and the stakes are low. The Grey Wardens and Ben-Hassrath war table arcs I feel bad about because it's tracking a bunch of math under the hood, and they felt easy and intuitive when I made them, but again, it could be dozens of hours between each mission. I didn't visualize gameplay well. And the Dalish Clan arc, while fair if you read carefully, is unfair in that the cloud of other operations teaches you to not worry about reading carefully. (Beyond the fundamental "this plot is too big/personal to be good as a war table op." So anyway, no big moral, except that by the time a lot of this stuff is done, devs often see too late which parts don't fit together the way they imagined, and then sigh, and try to do better next time. [HASH]DAT
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Post by thats1evildude on Feb 21, 2018 19:03:35 GMT
I generally thought the War Table was well-handled. It was a good way to have your choices reflected in-game and to jam in a few references to past game events.
That said, some of the rewards were terrible. Conscript for the Inquisition nets a shitty +2 Willpower Round Pommel no matter which advisor you pick, and it only pops up after In Your Heart Shall Burn. At that point in the game, random Outlaws in the Hinterlands are dropping better Pommel upgrades.
Claim the Grey Warden Cache gives you the Grey Warden Shield schematic, which you’ve likely acquired by now. If you do, you get nothing. And keep in mind this War Table operation is only available if you choose Cullen to complete Destroy Adamant Fortress, so your reward for making the better choice is to spend six to eight hours to receive nothing. What a great prize!
Judgement: Recover Sold Artifacts has you sending Servis to pick up some “priceless Tevinter artifacts” and all it nets you is a Belt of Focus, at a point where you likely have a thousand better belts. What the shit? Give me some gold, at least.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Feb 21, 2018 19:34:29 GMT
I liked the idea of the war table but had a couple problems with it.
1. The missions sounded far more interesting than the side quests we actually got to participate in 2. The microscopic text gave me a headache
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Post by melbella on Feb 21, 2018 20:40:17 GMT
Judgement: Recover Sold Artifacts has you sending Servis to pick up some “priceless Tevinter artifacts” and all it nets you is a Belt of Focus, at a point where you likely have a thousand better belts . What the shit? Give me some gold, at least. What judgment with Servis gets you this? I almost always make him an agent but I've never seen this so I'm guessing it's something else?
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Post by Rascoth on Feb 21, 2018 20:44:13 GMT
Judgement: Recover Sold Artifacts has you sending Servis to pick up some “priceless Tevinter artifacts” and all it nets you is a Belt of Focus, at a point where you likely have a thousand better belts . What the shit? Give me some gold, at least. What judgment with Servis gets you this? I almost always make him an agent but I've never seen this so I'm guessing it's something else? Which one? There're two options to make him an agent. Smuggler or Informant. You get war table mission of you picked Informant. You might have missed it since it appears at the top of the map.
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Post by melbella on Feb 21, 2018 20:46:59 GMT
I usually go smuggler. Next time! (last game I put him in jail, which was pretty hilarious)
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