I'm getting pretty tired of objective phrasing ("the best") being used for things that are personal preference or opinion.
I find all of that political shit to be tedious. I really dislike the hurried nature of the exploration, which is hampered by the Court Approval that starts to drop if you're absent for too long; the Winter Palace is very well done and I have to rush through it due to a gamey mechanic. I dislike not being able to see my armor. Pretty much the only things I do like are that I have several choices for a resolution that I can choose based on my Inquisitor's RP, and that there is a bit of romance content.
The political shit is tedious because it's hackneyed, poorly-explained, and locked behind a bizarre and incredibly inappropriate collectible hunt. Without reading Masked Empire (which its own list of problems), the player has little to no context for anything going on in this quest, certainly not enough roleplay the choice at the end.
Without reading Masked Empire (which its own list of problems), the player has little to no context for anything going on in this quest, certainly not enough roleplay the choice at the end.
I didn't have a problem with this, which is why I didn't mention it.
Sometimes you have to make a decision with the information available. That's life. I read Masked Empire prior to playing the game; it didn't factor into my decision making. I generally try not to use meta information in my RP choices. My Inquisitor talked to them, heard what they had to say, decided that he didn't like any of them or what any of them had to say, and went with the third option for RP reasons I'm not going to clutter this post with. He actually does come to question his decision, which is also part of the RP for me. I don't have to feel like I won something for choices like this.
Last Edit: Feb 28, 2018 19:27:42 GMT by Nightscrawl
Mountains. Cold. "Let's bring Dorian!" It's good to be Champion!
I'm getting pretty tired of objective phrasing ("the best") being used for things that are personal preference or opinion.
I find all of that political shit to be tedious. I really dislike the hurried nature of the exploration, which is hampered by the Court Approval that starts to drop if you're absent for too long; the Winter Palace is very well done and I have to rush through it due to a gamey mechanic. I dislike not being able to see my armor. Pretty much the only things I do like are that I have several choices for a resolution that I can choose based on my Inquisitor's RP, and that there is a bit of romance content.
The political shit is tedious because it's hackneyed, poorly-explained, and locked behind a bizarre and incredibly inappropriate collectible hunt. Without reading Masked Empire (which its own list of problems), the player has little to no context for anything going on in this quest, certainly not enough roleplay the choice at the end.
Without reading Masked Empire (which its own list of problems), the player has little to no context for anything going on in this quest, certainly not enough roleplay the choice at the end.
I didn't have a problem with this, which is why I didn't mention it.
Sometimes you have to make a decision with the information available. That's life. I read Masked Empire prior to playing the game; it didn't factor into my decision making. I generally try not to use meta information in my RP choices. My Inquisitor talked to them, heard what they had to say, decided that he didn't like any of them or what any of them had to say, and went with the third option for RP reasons I'm not going to clutter this post with. He actually does come to question his decision, which is also part of the RP for me. I don't have to feel like I won something for choices like this.
The problem is that you should know. Leliana and Josephine don't bother to give the Inquisitor a run down on recent events in Orlais? Events like the massacre at Halamshiral haven't become international news? You can't discuss current events with, say, nobles at the ball with different takes on it? Seems unlikely, yeah?
To me, it felt like vital information was being hidden for no good reason.
Post by thats1evildude on Feb 28, 2018 19:47:41 GMT
I found the “political shit” pretty interesting, personally, and had little difficulty maneuvering through it.
I’m not sure that Masked Empire is “required reading” for the quest. It’ll shed light on one or two things, but WEWH differs from the succession crisis in Orzammar in that you can approach the candidates and ask about their background and what they intended to do as ruler and how they could support you. Your advisors will also weigh in with their picks.
This is ultimately what slanted me against Gaspard; he fully admitted to being a warhawk, and that would be good for no one outside Orlais.
The Halla statue collection was pretty horrible, though.
Leliana and Josephine don't bother to give the Inquisitor a run down on recent events in Orlais? Events like the massacre at Halamshiral haven't become international news? You can't discuss current events with, say, nobles at the ball with different takes on it? Seems unlikely, yeah?
To me, it felt like vital information was being hidden for no good reason.
They do, though? The first time you talk to Josephine at Skyhold, she’ll tell you what’s happening in Orlais. And you can ask the advisors about Celene, Gaspard and Briala before you start the quest.
Post by luketrevelyan on Feb 28, 2018 20:03:28 GMT
I really enjoy WEWH except for the halla statue business. They should have used court approval, persuasion, or some other skills in order to achieve different outcomes rather than finding some random statues with limited time.
But otherwise I find the quest a nice change of pace. I love that there are so many different outcomes. Court approval is interesting. I actually failed the quest due to low approval with my Qunari mage without even really trying (love the custom game over screen btw). So it is nice to have mechanics other than combat for advancing the plot.
They do, though? The first time you talk to Josephine at Skyhold, she’ll tell you what’s happening in Orlais. And you can ask the advisors about Celene, Gaspard and Briala before you start the quest.
Except they never mention the Slaughter of the City Elves prior to the event. And Leliana should absolutely know it, she spoke to Celene directly, in the same room, and in the carriage later about WHICH of Celene's problems she wanted the Divine to put pressure on.
Celene told Lel to keep on the mage problem, and then moments later put in the orders to slaughter thousands of elves.
During the chaos that is that mission, that random servant/friend of Briala's mentions that she knew that Briala was sleeping with Celene when "The Empress burned the Alienage." Is there even a Codex to explain what the hell she means? because this is a one sentence glancing reference to a major event that everyone in the room acts like they know about, including the Inquisitor, but not the player. Until they read a book, anyway.
Edit Add:Apparently there is a Codex, but it's one line, and it hardly expresses the horror of Cleansing an Alienage.
Sometimes you have to make a decision with the information available. That's life. I read Masked Empire prior to playing the game; it didn't factor into my decision making. I generally try not to use meta information in my RP choices. My Inquisitor talked to them, heard what they had to say, decided that he didn't like any of them or what any of them had to say, and went with the third option for RP reasons I'm not going to clutter this post with. He actually does come to question his decision, which is also part of the RP for me. I don't have to feel like I won something for choices like this.
Right. For RP purposes reading a book that tells about stuff the PC doesn't know is either useless or a problem.
But burning alienages and stuff should probably make an appearance in the Codex, at least.
Kyla Elena, Grand Champion of the Great Hunt @kylaelena I have a big Dragon Age question!
How is the lion Orlais' mascot when I have been all over the country and have never seen a lion? Do lions actually exist on Thedas or are they mythical creatures? If they are real, where are they?
David Gaider @davidgaider They exist in Thedas, but not in the south. Lots of European countries had lions in their heraldry (England, for instance) without having lions native to their own countries.
Though keep in mind I'm no longer involved with DA. They may never appear, or the team might decide to put them elsewhere.
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes ACTUALLY, lions developed shapeshifting abilities to hide themselves from humans. Cullen is a werelion.
David Gaider @davidgaider Case in point. Patrick obeys no laws but those of whimsy.
John Epler Wait, is he actually a lion, or a human lycanthrope who turns into a lion? Your first sentence suggests one but the second suggests the other.
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes Okay, so you know how he wears that lion-fur armor? The plan is that he’s whatever the lion version of a selkie is.
John Epler Also, it took a -lot- for me not to use the word 'lionwere' just here.
David Gaider @davidgaider So a lion that turns into a Cullen and not a Cullen that turns into a lion? So he really *is* a Monster Boyfriend!
Kyla Elena, Grand Champion of the Great Hunt @kylaelena Omg please please make that canon
Sometimes you have to make a decision with the information available. That's life. I read Masked Empire prior to playing the game; it didn't factor into my decision making. I generally try not to use meta information in my RP choices. My Inquisitor talked to them, heard what they had to say, decided that he didn't like any of them or what any of them had to say, and went with the third option for RP reasons I'm not going to clutter this post with. He actually does come to question his decision, which is also part of the RP for me. I don't have to feel like I won something for choices like this.
Right. For RP purposes reading a book that tells about stuff the PC doesn't know is either useless or a problem.
But burning alienages and stuff should probably make an appearance in the Codex, at least.
It actually does.
From the Orlesian Civil War codex:
“To counter propaganda suggesting she was overly tolerant of the elves, Celene was drawn to crush an elven uprising in Halmshiral, and Gaspard’s attack there destroyed her forces and cut her off from Val Royeaux.”
And since some folks apparently don’t remember this conversation, here’s my Inquisitor having a chat with Leliana, Cullen and Josephine about Celene, Gaspard and Briala prior to WEWH:
David Gaider @davidgaider I walk away for 10 minutes, and come back to over 300+ notifications on my Twitter. JFC, @patrickweekes, what have you done?
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes
T loves Porgs, Nugs, and Pyjak @imasithduh I have a feeling that "JFC, Patrick, what have you done?" was used a lot when you two were in the office together.
David Gaider @davidgaider Well, sure. See the Solas romance. See the Iron Bull romance. See that whole complicated mission Patrick put into the war table. I mean, it was almost daily.
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes He still denies, or honestly does not recall, suggesting the Solas romance himself.
David Gaider @davidgaider The *idea* of it, yes. The *doing* of it was something that happened one day without my approval.
T loves Porgs, Nugs, and Pyjak @imasithduh And Patrick just grinning like a loon through all of it?
David Gaider @davidgaider Well, there was often a lot of spluttering and explaining while I stood there and stared at him with the Eyebrow... but somehow he'd usually convince me to let him have his way. Not really sure how.
I still find it amusing that it was the tacked on romances (Cullen and Solas) that have the biggest female fans. I love all of the Twitter conversations above. Especially Cullen truly being a werelion.
Vegan, polyamorous, pre-med. Zevran, Fenris, Cullen, and Thane.
Patrick Weekes, strangely, seems to be the only developer at Bioware who acknowledges how important the romances are to people.
I don't think that's fair. People like David Gaider have expressed frustration at the fact that some people focus on romance to the exclusion of all else. Romances are, and will always be, optional content, and are far from the main focus of the team.
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I don't think that's fair. People like David Gaider have expressed frustration at the fact that some people focus on romance to the exclusion of all else. Romances are, and will always be, optional content, and are far from the main focus of the team.
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Was Cassandra modeled after Genevieve from the calling. Just finished it and some of the dialogue and tone remind me when we first meet Cassandra
Gaider wrote both Cassandra and Genevieve, so I wouldn't be shocked if there were some similarities. Both are warrior women and have rather forceful personalities.
However, the two have different motivations. Cassandra is driven initially by a hatred of magic and is guided by her faith, expressing irritation at the idea of being called a hero. Genevieve aspired to be a Grey Warden for the glory and is convinced briefly to join the Architect, something Cassandra would never do.
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Apologies for off-topic post in the Twitter thread, but...
We just opened a DA4 subforum. I will start moving obvious DA4 threads over there, but wanted to get a consensus from Hrungr and the DA twitter Thread: do y'all want me to port this thread over to the DA4 subforum or let Hrungr create a new Twitter thread over there?