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Post by TheodoricFriede on Mar 21, 2018 0:59:28 GMT
Corypheous isn't a direct threat anymore. They can try to eat each others faces by that point for all I care.
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Post by phoray on Mar 21, 2018 1:21:28 GMT
Corypheous isn't a direct threat anymore. They can try to eat each others faces by that point for all I care. This made me but now Solas is an issue, and the Qunari are attacking, so it's not just the totally underwhelming scary Darkspawn MAgister to deal with.
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Post by TheodoricFriede on Mar 21, 2018 1:35:43 GMT
This made me but now Solas is an issue, and the Qunari are attacking, so it's not just the totally underwhelming scary Darkspawn MAgister to deal with. Sure, but we are up north now. I really dont think Orlais or Fereldin are going to factor in at all. After all, no one wants to help Tevinter, even if they are (at least in my opinion) the lesser of two evils.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 21, 2018 1:40:30 GMT
This made me but now Solas is an issue, and the Qunari are attacking, so it's not just the totally underwhelming scary Darkspawn MAgister to deal with. Sure, but we are up north now. I really dont think Orlais or Fereldin are going to factor in at all. After all, no one wants to help Tevinter, even if they are (at least in my opinion) the lesser of two evils. I imagine we might see the South help out for the final arc, like the last push to stop Solas. That way while it is relatively minor they can show our choices from the past games impacting the final fight alongside our choices in DA4. That and/or we will get cameos from characters in the south who help with a mission, like we have had in past games.
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Post by phoray on Mar 21, 2018 1:48:43 GMT
Oh man, the gathering of armies all over Thedas, maybe using some Massive Eluvian, would be epic.
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Post by TheodoricFriede on Mar 21, 2018 1:59:17 GMT
Oh man, the gathering of armies all over Thedas, maybe using some Massive Eluvian, would be epic. Ugh, I really dont want this. I want a more intimate, smaller scale story. I prefer the idea of the only way to stop a "god" is to become one. Not gather an enormous army the reapers are here crap.
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Post by phoray on Mar 21, 2018 2:02:07 GMT
Oh man, the gathering of armies all over Thedas, maybe using some Massive Eluvian, would be epic. Ugh, I really dont want this. I want a more intimate, smaller scale story. I prefer the idea of the only way to stop a "god" is to become one. Not gather an enormous army the reapers are here crap. Okay okay, I see your point. i guess I was rather enchanted with the idea in a sort of LOTR as well as thinking that's probably how the anicent elves did war as well kinda thing. Do we at least have to suffer to become a god? I do so hate such a massive thing being given to me on a silver platter (or silver orb, if you please)
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 21, 2018 2:05:06 GMT
This made me but now Solas is an issue, and the Qunari are attacking, so it's not just the totally underwhelming scary Darkspawn MAgister to deal with. Sure, but we are up north now. I really dont think Orlais or Fereldin are going to factor in at all. After all, no one wants to help Tevinter, even if they are (at least in my opinion) the lesser of two evils. We do hear Archon mention in "Magekiller" that Tevinter is a buffer between Qunari and the South, and given that Qunari did get discovered sneakily attacking the South to prime it for invasion already, I don't think people - or at least Southern rulers - don't really care whether the Imperium stands or not.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 21, 2018 2:09:06 GMT
Sure, but we are up north now. I really dont think Orlais or Fereldin are going to factor in at all. After all, no one wants to help Tevinter, even if they are (at least in my opinion) the lesser of two evils. We do hear Archon mention in "Magekiller" that Tevinter is a buffer between Qunari and the South, and given that Qunari did get discovered sneakily attacking the South to prime it for invasion already, I don't think people - or at least Southern rulers - don't really care whether the Imperium stands or not. Yeah, after all the South launched Exalted Marches to help Tevinter stem the tide of the Qun's advancement.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 21, 2018 2:12:11 GMT
Ugh, I really dont want this. I want a more intimate, smaller scale story. I prefer the idea of the only way to stop a "god" is to become one. Not gather an enormous army the reapers are here crap. Okay okay, I see your point. i guess I was rather enchanted with the idea in a sort of LOTR as well as thinking that's probably how the anicent elves did war as well kinda thing. Do we at least have to suffer to become a god? I do so hate such a massive thing being given to me on a silver platter (or silver orb, if you please) ...We don't suffer enough? I don't think it can be argued that being hoisted to position of demigod/god (or just someone with considerable power) in Thedas is to be considered easy cruising.
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Post by TheodoricFriede on Mar 21, 2018 2:12:42 GMT
Okay okay, I see your point. i guess I was rather enchanted with the idea in a sort of LOTR as well as thinking that's probably how the anicent elves did war as well kinda thing. Do we at least have to suffer to become a god? I do so hate such a massive thing being given to me on a silver platter (or silver orb, if you please) Well sure. I think a story about having to balance power and "humanity" as being interesting. I mean imagine having to explain to your love interest that you have begun to feel nothing, because you are increasingly detached with mortality. The closest we have ever come to that was the Well of Sorrows, and even that was fairly irrelevant in terms of character building. I'm just sick of the whole "GATHER ARMY SAVE DAY" thing.
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Post by phoray on Mar 21, 2018 2:32:14 GMT
I want an opportunity to figure out who I am as a character before these things are shoved on me. I got the time in DAO and I got it in DA2. But it went zero to nothing in DAI.
I don't want to start the game as a demi god. I want it to be a choice like the well of sorrows.
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Post by TheodoricFriede on Mar 21, 2018 2:38:01 GMT
I don't want to start the game as a demi god. I want it to be a choice like the well of sorrows. That's why I keep insisting on a more intimate story. It can start small, let you grow attached to the person, and slowly start to take that away. I'm not saying you should lose any and all player choice, I'm just saying your character should have to deal with what it means to become a god.
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Post by melbella on Mar 21, 2018 2:44:54 GMT
But "gods" in DA aren't God-gods. They are just really powerful mages, possibly former spirits, but still, just mages. Anyone with enough power at their command would be the same. No god-hood necessary. I imagine a portion of next DA will be to find tools, like the orb, to augment that power (and prevent Solas from getting it as well).
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Post by TheodoricFriede on Mar 21, 2018 2:48:49 GMT
But "gods" in DA aren't God-gods. We dont know enough about them to make that judgement. All we know is that a mythological figure who is not only considered a god of trickery, but also revels in the idea of being a "trickster" says that the gods weren't real gods. I think its a bit like saying the Greek gods weren't gods. Compared to the Judaeo-christian concept of "GOD"? Probably not. But once you are so powerful that you transcend mortality, and can warp reality? I would call that being a god.
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Post by jjdxb on Mar 21, 2018 7:55:11 GMT
Personally I don't think apotheosis and "small intimate story" are compatible. Simply having god-level powers isn't enough to be a god, you need to be recognised as such by enough people. Both the scope of power required and the scale of people required rule out a small story.
In any case, I think the only way to have a small intimate story in DA4, godhood or no, is to not deal with Solas at all. I don't think you can't deal with Solas in a small intimate story, not when he threatens so many people.
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Post by TheodoricFriede on Mar 21, 2018 8:34:22 GMT
Personally I don't think apotheosis and "small intimate story" are compatible. Simply having god-level powers isn't enough to be a god, you need to be recognised as such by enough people. Both the scope of power required and the scale of people required rule out a small story. "No real god need prove himself. Anyone who tries is mad or lying." - A god.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Mar 21, 2018 9:56:27 GMT
Okay okay, I see your point. i guess I was rather enchanted with the idea in a sort of LOTR as well as thinking that's probably how the anicent elves did war as well kinda thing. Do we at least have to suffer to become a god? I do so hate such a massive thing being given to me on a silver platter (or silver orb, if you please) Well sure. I think a story about having to balance power and "humanity" as being interesting. I mean imagine having to explain to your love interest that you have begun to feel nothing, because you are increasingly detached with mortality. The closest we have ever come to that was the Well of Sorrows, and even that was fairly irrelevant in terms of character building. I'm just sick of the whole "GATHER ARMY SAVE DAY" thing. Just using the bolded part here: What you're talking about there reminds me of a game I played many years ago: Tales of Symphonia, it was a bloody good game in which on of the charcters; Collette, had to become a goddess, as as the game unfolded, particularly with the party banter, you'd hear how she saw losing her taste to food, needing less & less sleep, losing emotional connection, even to her BF Lloyd (your character) & so on until she became a complete empty shell of a vessel, the game had some amazing twists & turns & if I still had my Gamecube I might go back & play it. Anyway, Bioware could draw on that, it's a really good idea, especially if, like you suggest, its the PC that has to go through it this time. Anyway, that's all I've got to say for now on this.
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Post by Serza on Mar 21, 2018 10:12:55 GMT
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Post by jjdxb on Mar 21, 2018 11:04:48 GMT
Personally I don't think apotheosis and "small intimate story" are compatible. Simply having god-level powers isn't enough to be a god, you need to be recognised as such by enough people. Both the scope of power required and the scale of people required rule out a small story. "No real god need prove himself. Anyone who tries is mad or lying." - A god. I'm not talking about proving oneself or actively convincing people to worship you. Your quote isn't a rebuttal of my position. As an allegorical example, somebody who does heroic things just to get people to worship them or to prove oneself to those people is not a true hero. A true hero does heroic things without seeking acknowledgement or glory or worship BUT without someone else to acknowledge that person is a hero, they can't be called one. It's the same with gods. If nobody recognises you as a god, you aren't one because godhood is a status conferred upon you and perceived by others. Similarly, to paraphrase Tywin "A man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king". That's 100% true, but the man still has to be recognised as king by others otherwise he is still no true king.
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Post by Walter Black on Mar 21, 2018 14:14:40 GMT
I think the toxic love birds wanted an excuse to get together. Celene couldn't honestly have believed that Briala was actually trying to help her just because my Inky said so and since Briala was the one who broke it off in the first place, it's not like Celene even needed much of a push. Briala of course knows that the Inky is lying on her behalf and she is quite educated on the cost of the relationship. She's decided that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks of her heavy conscious. I think they're both continuing to play the Game with each other for however so long they both feel they're benefiting from it. I feel no guilt letting them be toxic to each other, I don't judge. Lotta crap much worse going down in Thedas. As someone who has seen friends and family lied to/about, stolen from, abused, and in one case outright murdered from such relationships, I certainly do judge Celene/Briala .
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Post by Walter Black on Mar 21, 2018 14:18:08 GMT
I don't want to start the game as a demi god. I want it to be a choice like the well of sorrows. That's why I keep insisting on a more intimate story. It can start small, let you grow attached to the person, and slowly start to take that away. I'm not saying you should lose any and all player choice, I'm just saying your character should have to deal with what it means to become a god. It's times like this I wish Bioware had made a Baldur's Gate 3 where we could play Charname as a god. As a direct sequel is unlikely, maybe someone could make a Spiritual Successor?
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 21, 2018 14:25:50 GMT
That's why I keep insisting on a more intimate story. It can start small, let you grow attached to the person, and slowly start to take that away. I'm not saying you should lose any and all player choice, I'm just saying your character should have to deal with what it means to become a god. It's times like this I wish Bioware had made a Baldur's Gate 3 where we could play Charname as a god. As a direct sequel is unlikely, maybe someone could make a Spiritual Successor? Isn't DA a spiritual successor to BG? Besides, their current MO seems to be to move away from IPs they don't own.
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Post by Walter Black on Mar 21, 2018 14:35:12 GMT
It's times like this I wish Bioware had made a Baldur's Gate 3 where we could play Charname as a god. As a direct sequel is unlikely, maybe someone could make a Spiritual Successor? Isn't DA a spiritual successor to BG? Besides, their current MO seems to be to move away from IPs they don't own. I meant specifically being able to RP as a god and see how such actions shape the world, on a much more personal level than Populous or Black and White.
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