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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 1, 2018 10:08:49 GMT
You can just call me out specifically, lol. I wasn't talking about you. You left that other forum long ago. I mainly referenced it for vertigomez who would understand what I was referring to. |
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 1, 2018 10:12:12 GMT
You can just call me out specifically, lol. I wasn't talking about you. You left that other forum long ago. I mainly referenced it for vertigomez who would understand what I was referring to. Weeeellll we still butt heads on the issue. But I think it's safe to say that if there's a gay character in DA4, they should take into consideration who Dorian was and try to do something different from him, and listen to be valid criticism put on the table regarding Dorian, yes? That's really all I need them to do. I think all types of gay representation should happen, even the kind that doesn't appeal to me, but in the next installment I'd hope they maybe try to pander to my tastes more, as... terrible as that sounds, lol. |
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 1, 2018 10:20:35 GMT
Weeeellll we still butt heads on the issue. Eh, I'm not inclined to argue about Dorian's existence, his story, or his romance, and haven't been for a long time. No one's mind is getting changed, so I regard it as pointless. And I know some think my opinion is invalid anyway. Aside from that you've mellowed over the years.  I know where you're coming from here, but I truly don't think there is much danger of this. They tend to not do similar types of characters in that way. I'm not referring to the gay/bi rogue, but of actual character story arc and so on. I know you want a KISA, and I think you should get one, and so should the ladies. The DA devs need to get over their rigid thinking of not envisioning such characters as gay or bi. |
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Apr 1, 2018 10:37:03 GMT
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 1, 2018 10:47:19 GMT
Weeeellll we still butt heads on the issue. Eh, I'm not inclined to argue about Dorian's existence, his story, or his romance, and haven't been for a long time. No one's mind is getting changed, so I regard it as pointless. And I know some think my opinion is invalid anyway. Aside from that you've mellowed over the years.  I know where you're coming from here, but I truly don't think there is much danger of this. They tend to not do similar types of characters in that way. I'm not referring to the gay/bi rogue, but of actual character story arc and so on. I know you want a KISA, and I think you should get one, and so should the ladies. The DA devs need to get over their rigid thinking of not envisioning such characters as gay or bi. Oh that's definitely true. At this point we all have our own opinion of the characters and romances and it's not changing anywhere. Though I have to say, I didn't always dislike Dorian, I romanced him multiple times. I DO have 1050+ hours of gameplay in DA:I, and that's plenty of Dorianmancers and Bullmancers. It just so happens that when you revisit those romances and characters dozens of times, you start seeing the faults and the annoyances, and then you compare them to what other people have and you get annoyed how others have it better than you, lol. Maybe I shouldn't replay DA4 that many times so I don't get completely tired of the romances gay men have lolol. I do like to find patterns and hope that every new installment, BW does something new. But there's always the '' danger '' of them revisiting concepts that '' worked '' and not trying something new. But but but I'm hoping that they challenge themselves and let Dorian be Dorian in all his glory, and choose a different path in DA4. Actually, these days, I'm not team KISA. I am team hopefully-not-at-all-a-gay-stereotype-and-maybe-a-bit-masculine-and-no-gay-sobstory-plz!
I have a few paths I'd be interested in when it comes to a gay character in DA4
1) Elf or a human who is leading some kind of Tevinter's underground criminal organization. Cutthroat, seemingly cold, but a very trustworthy, passionate lover.
2) Orlesian noble who has taken up the profession of a bard. Very suave with the men, extremely charming. You can end up marrying him and becoming nobility in Orlais. I just really want to be a gay political power couple!
3) Similar to the one above, but a gay pirate (lol). Crass, annoying, kind of like Sera in terms of annoyance, loves the men as well but instead of being charming, he constantly misses the mark and just comes off as slimy and scummy (even though he doesn't mena to). In the end of the romance, you two run away together and sail across the seas as gay vigilantes!
4) A recent tal-vashoth who is trying to learn to deal with his new position in the world and trust the people around him. Bonus point if he was a saarebas.
5) Avvar dude. Just a big hulking avvar dude, not necessarily a KISA, but just a very big muscular manly hairy avvar dude thanks.
So I guess what I'm saying is that I actually like rogue-like men... just not any of the previous (gay/bi) rogue-like men HASKASJDksafsas. |
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Post by rras1994 on Apr 1, 2018 15:23:12 GMT
When Weekes said they decided not to make Solas bi because they didn't want to make a 'depraved bisexual' that is EXACTLY what I do not want. It's like concerns with how to do representation appropriately has reached an inflection point where you wind up rebounding back into circumscribing which roles non-straight characters are 'supposed' to occupy. Solas is an excellent character, complex and compelling and making him bi would have detracted not a whit from that. anywhoo /rant Unfortunately, it's not an unreasonable position for Weekes to take as that has happened - literally in SWTOR in a recent storyline they made a bi person do a betrayer storyline (which actually looks like it's shaping up to be they are doing it for you kinda thing but anyway) and I saw many many rants that BioWare was giving into the Bi people are depraved and seeing lists of how BioWare mistreats it's Bi characters. etc etc. It was pretty awful and I can kinda see when you already have limited resources and the character is going to be very controversal already why they might decide to cut it as it where. It sucks that's where we are but it is what it is. I hope as we get more LGBT characters that it won't matter if there are some that are gray/dark characters cus you have many different LGBT so your portrayal isn't centred on one. We are slowly getting there I think. |
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 1, 2018 19:07:22 GMT
Hmmm... didn't Mark Darrah have in his Twitter bio that he's "Executive Producer of the Dragon Age and Anthem" since he's announced that he's on Anthem as well? Or was I just imagining things, since now it's just "Executive Producer of the Dragon Age Franchise"...
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 1, 2018 20:00:49 GMT
Hmmm... didn't Mark Darrah have in his Twitter bio that he's "Executive Producer of the Dragon Age and Anthem" since he's announced that he's on Anthem as well? Or was I just imagining things, since now it's just "Executive Producer of the Dragon Age Franchise"... Good eye... you're right. Maybe he's back on DA full-time now. |
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I have never seen this before but this is pure joy! Who do I annoy to get someone to make this??? |
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Dark Horse Comics @darkhorsecomics"Fans of the #DragonAge franchise would love this one. Newbies to the franchise won't get lost and the story can be enjoyed without any knowledge of what's happened before." Review of Dragon Age: Knight Errant TPB from @ysstephen: bit.ly/2GqQWCB Cover: Sachin Teng pbs.twimg.com/media/DZuWhzNVoAAWVY0.jpg[HASH]DAT
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 1, 2018 21:31:08 GMT
Aro. It's shorthand for Aromantic, like Ace is for Asexual. Hm... I dunno. It seems like he's forgotten about a big chunk of Cole's character development: taking the human path. Even leaving sex out of it, he does have clear romantic feelings for Maryden in Trespasser. I'm pretty sure there is banter about sex with him (concerning Maryden) from some followers, but I don't know what his response is. Also, I likely wouldn't have heard it as my party combo doesn't really lend to that sort of teasing. If you take the Cole spirit path, does that even count? He's not truly a person in that case, so can he have any sort of sexuality? I'm not going to say desire demons are pan, when the only reason they are is because they react to the person they're trying to influence (and feed off of). At this point, I'm going to say that we've never had a true ace in Dragon age. By that I mean one that is clear about being that way, and not just something players can headcanon due to lack of other information. Oh, I agree with you. As you said, while he could certainly not have sexual feelings for her, he definitely has romantic feelings for her as seen in his dialogue. Maybe Mike Laidlaw was mixing and confusing the terms. As for the companions, after looking it up the only one to say anything related to sex is The iron Bull who offers to give Cole tips if he wants. Cole himself never says anything sexual about it, instead commenting on how she is kind and helps people and how her bodice smells good, getting flustered as he said the last bit asking people to forget. I was mostly just asking since it was the first time I've ever actually heard a dev comment on Cole's sexuality so was curious if it was a new thing or if it was mentioned before. And yeah, the closest there has ever been to a LI being on the Ace Spectrum is the writers of Josephine and later Merrill(not Asexual, but Demisexual for her) saying those are valid interpretations of the characters. |
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ビアニー!!! On Ice🇲🇽 @veeahknee
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Post by Julale on Apr 2, 2018 9:09:18 GMT
Hmmm... didn't Mark Darrah have in his Twitter bio that he's "Executive Producer of the Dragon Age and Anthem" since he's announced that he's on Anthem as well? Or was I just imagining things, since now it's just "Executive Producer of the Dragon Age Franchise"... As I remember correctly Mark Darrah had never changed his Twitter bio. He just changed his banner and profile pic to something about Anthem. It was/is John Epler who changed his text. |
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 2, 2018 16:52:36 GMT
Reddit: Dragon Age Things from HavenCon 2018
https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/88yxhp/dai_spoilers_dragon_age_things_from_havencon_2018/
- A good breakdown of the panel(s). There were even a couple of things I hadn't heard before.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 2, 2018 18:21:09 GMT
Hm... I dunno. It seems like he's forgotten about a big chunk of Cole's character development: taking the human path. Even leaving sex out of it, he does have clear romantic feelings for Maryden in Trespasser. I'm pretty sure there is banter about sex with him (concerning Maryden) from some followers, but I don't know what his response is. Also, I likely wouldn't have heard it as my party combo doesn't really lend to that sort of teasing. If you take the Cole spirit path, does that even count? He's not truly a person in that case, so can he have any sort of sexuality? I'm not going to say desire demons are pan, when the only reason they are is because they react to the person they're trying to influence (and feed off of). At this point, I'm going to say that we've never had a true ace in Dragon age. By that I mean one that is clear about being that way, and not just something players can headcanon due to lack of other information. Oh, I agree with you. As you said, while he could certainly not have sexual feelings for her, he definitely has romantic feelings for her as seen in his dialogue. Maybe Mike Laidlaw was mixing and confusing the terms. As for the companions, after looking it up the only one to say anything related to sex is The iron Bull who offers to give Cole tips if he wants. Cole himself never says anything sexual about it, instead commenting on how she is kind and helps people and how her bodice smells good, getting flustered as he said the last bit asking people to forget. I was mostly just asking since it was the first time I've ever actually heard a dev comment on Cole's sexuality so was curious if it was a new thing or if it was mentioned before. And yeah, the closest there has ever been to a LI being on the Ace Spectrum is the writers of Josephine and later Merrill(not Asexual, but Demisexual for her) saying those are valid interpretations of the characters. I've always sorta defined Cole's sexuality as "a work in progress" I mean, before he was a spirit and literally didn't understand the concept. But if he takes the human path, he is starting to learn, but he still has to work his way through the steps and figure things out for himself, just like a human does. |
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 2, 2018 18:30:12 GMT
Reddit: Dragon Age Things from HavenCon 2018https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/88yxhp/dai_spoilers_dragon_age_things_from_havencon_2018/ - A good breakdown of the panel(s). There were even a couple of things I hadn't heard before.[HASH]DAT '' Gaider wanted Zevran to be gay only '' Didn't he say the same about Fenris? Or rather, that he imagined him being a gay man when he wrote him? Goodness, now I really wish a gay elf happens in DA4. |
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Apr 2, 2018 19:39:33 GMT
Wow, romances really are expensive! Very glad they are sticking with them though, to me it's the icing on the cake and what gives me extra emotional investment in both companions and my character. |
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Post by thats1evildude on Apr 2, 2018 19:52:04 GMT
On that note:
Ben Gelinas @bengelinasThe worst thing a company can do on April Fools is make up a joke product you actually want and then not make it WHERE'S MY NUG DATING SIM @conalpierse Conal Pierse @conalpierseI can neither confirm nor deny the development status of Nug Elope [HASH]DAT |
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Post by phoray on Apr 2, 2018 21:14:01 GMT
Wow, romances really are expensive! Very glad they are sticking with them though, to me it's the icing on the cake and what gives me extra emotional investment in both companions and my character.  I think it's the only reason the series (or Bioware in General?) has a near 50% female player rate, which is double than it usual is in video games. |
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 2, 2018 21:49:00 GMT
So, in that previous Mike Laidlaw vid, he described Weekes as the typical straight white male, but then the Reddit thing says he's pan. However, because of the way the Reddit thing is written, I'm not sure if that came from the panel or was the writer inserting something they think they know.
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Post by rras1994 on Apr 2, 2018 21:53:08 GMT
So, in that previous Mike Laidlaw vid, he described Weekes as the typical straight white male, but then the Reddit thing says he's pan. However, because of the way the Reddit thing is written, I'm not sure if that came from the panel or was the writer inserting something they think they know. I'm pretty sure he's described himself as pan on twitter before. It's not the first time I've heard that info. |
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