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Post by midnight tea on Apr 11, 2018 6:46:56 GMT
I hope you realize that it makes you seem like you are unable to differentiate between lorebooks/codices and actual story that happens in games or books? I'm just saying I get a loooooooot of excuses. The Books matter or they dont. You cant have both. Its the official lore book. It is an explanation of how blood magic works in that world. I can have both, in this case, actually. The fact that you seem determined to stick to false equivalence ain't making me pointing out that false equivalence 'an excuse'. The 'official lorebook' status also doesn't make WoT or WoT2 100% factual. That's like saying that codices in game are 100% factual information - which we know they aren't, since basically all the lore in Dragon Age franchise, whether codices or lorebooks, is written from in-universe perspective, not meta-perspective. We are supposed to consider them to be biased, or incomplete sources, akin to RL historical sources. Nevermind that we can't put equality sign between all the topics touched upon by characters or in-universe authors. Magic or blood magic or Veil are faaaaaaar wider and more nuanced topics we keep learning new things about (that often fly in the face of what's been previously considered true in-story), which is harder to fully encompass than establishing the identity or whereabouts of, say, something as recent to the world and story as Inquisition's Inner Circle. And even those are incomplete or form wrong conclusions if you read WoT2. For example, Wot2 author dismisses the possibility that Cole is a spirit, or puts in doubt that he was a companion in the first place, then continues to detail a rumor of a Ghost of the Spire - a rumor we know is actually true thanks to "Asunder" and Inqusition (which were written/released before WoT2). So yes, of course I can have both. The lorebooks are there to flesh out the world, compile existing lore in convenient format and share interesting tidbits and rumors that we may never be sure are 100% true (or sometimes what they even are about...). We can corroborate the evidence and records and come to certain conclusions that may be correct, but whether they are true is usually verified by story in actual games/books/comics - not the other way around.
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Post by TheodoricFriede on Apr 11, 2018 8:11:16 GMT
Aaaaanywho.
Official lore book says blood magic is based on the pain of the extraction. So I imagine a natural bodily functions doesn't provide much power at all.
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Post by river82 on Apr 11, 2018 8:27:41 GMT
Aaaaanywho. Official lore book says blood magic is based on the pain of the extraction. So I imagine a natural bodily functions doesn't provide much power at all. Mental note: Never use the blood of a leper for nefarious, blood magic shenanigans. Useful information to know
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Post by enaste on Apr 11, 2018 9:36:28 GMT
Not sure about negative emotions though. The concept of sacrifice or giving one's life energy isn't necessarily tied to negativity - it can also be an altruistic gesture. Well, we know that the more pain blood magic causes, the more powerful the spell. That's in volume 1 of the lore book. I just tend to assume that this includes emotional pain. An interesting thought. I recall a fan theory saying only those who have suffered a great deal can survive the Joining, which is a blood magic ritual itself. We see Mhairi and Daveth die, who could be described as having a rather quiet life compared to the other Wardens we know. No idea how viable this theory is, as the sample is still fairly small.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 11, 2018 11:00:37 GMT
An interesting thought. I recall a fan theory saying only those who have suffered a great deal can survive the Joining, which is a blood magic ritual itself. We see Mhairi and Daveth die, who could be described as having a rather quiet life compared to the other Wardens we know. No idea how viable this theory is, as the sample is still fairly small. Considering what we learn of Leliana during In Hushed Whispers, I'd instead say that resistance to the taint is inherent within the person and has nothing to do with the Joining itself; it just so happens that the Joining ritual is the first exposure that many people have to the taint. Oghren is in our DAO party as well, killing right alongside us, so it's just as likely he has that same sort of resistance, only verified by his surviving the Joining in DAA. If, say, the survival rate of the Joining is 30%, perhaps that is the same percentage of the population that has such taint resistance. (And yeah, I could be cynical and say this is unique to her and is just more of Leliana being the writers' pet, but I choose to believe otherwise.)
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 11, 2018 17:40:52 GMT
anders hater @mageslut@patrickweekes hello mr pat weekes it’s my 20th birthday can I get uhhhh super cool birthday wish from dragon age god????? Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesHAPPY BIRTHDAY, PERSON WHOSE NAME IS GONNA MAKE ME LOOK PROBLEMATIC AS HELL WHEN THIS TWEET IS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT LATER! ladyiolanthe ladyiolanthe I guess the DA godhood has officially passed from @davidgaider to you now, too. Have.... uh... fun with it? Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesYeah, I certainly wouldn’t say that, but it seems that way to some people. David Gaider @davidgaiderThe Maker is dead. LONG LIVE THE MAKER! [HASH]DAT
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Post by apollexander on Apr 12, 2018 2:59:27 GMT
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Post by thats1evildude on Apr 12, 2018 3:19:16 GMT
I would assume so. Kind of random otherwise.
I actually imagine the Inquisitor’s hand disintegrating rather than just falling off.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Apr 12, 2018 3:52:39 GMT
[HASH]DAT Is that the Inky's hand? Yes. The person who made this cake for her birthday said as much on twitter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 15:31:38 GMT
I would assume so. Kind of random otherwise. I actually imagine the Inquisitor’s hand disintegrating rather than just falling off. I imagine it's meant to be funny.
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Post by thats1evildude on Apr 12, 2018 15:55:17 GMT
I would assume so. Kind of random otherwise. I actually imagine the Inquisitor’s hand disintegrating rather than just falling off. I imagine it's meant to be funny. Well, I’m not laughing. Decorative cakes are no mere trifle.
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 12, 2018 16:04:45 GMT
Mike Bithell @mikebithell Hi, Aspiring game designers. The solution to any given problem is very, very rarely "make it more realistic".. Thanks. Mike
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes One of my coworkers repeats “Believable, not realistic,” at least once a day, and he’s always right.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 12, 2018 16:17:30 GMT
Mike Bithell @mikebithellHi, Aspiring game designers. The solution to any given problem is very, very rarely "make it more realistic".. Thanks. Mike Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesOne of my coworkers repeats “Believable, not realistic,” at least once a day, and he’s always right. David Gaider @davidgaiderYeah. The word I remember using was “plausible”. Even then, the goal is more about internal consistency - the bar for what someone personally considers “believable” is awfully subjective.
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Post by TheodoricFriede on Apr 12, 2018 19:11:26 GMT
Current Game Developers.
Ripping up your own lore for the sake of some idea you fell in love with is also rarely a good option. Just saying.
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Post by Fredward on Apr 12, 2018 19:27:25 GMT
While I don't think the current crop of talking points even classify as "ripping" or contradicting established lore (since it's in-world lore, not WoG) I'm inclined to think that if devs DO see fit to alter their lore they don't do it casually. It's their baby and it inevitably ruffles feather, they must think the benefits outweigh the drawbacks and as the creators of the lore they're probably in a better informed place to make that call.
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Post by wickedcool on Apr 12, 2018 21:22:30 GMT
More believable- total Varric flashback
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Jo Berry @joanna_Berry I really want to get back to sculpting again. I had a wire frame ready to go for someone new, then got distracted. I was leaning towards doing Maddox, but... any suggestions? 🙂
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Post by river82 on Apr 13, 2018 2:58:57 GMT
Mike Bithell @mikebithellHi, Aspiring game designers. The solution to any given problem is very, very rarely "make it more realistic".. Thanks. Mike Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesOne of my coworkers repeats “Believable, not realistic,” at least once a day, and he’s always right. David Gaider @davidgaiderYeah. The word I remember using was “plausible”. Even then, the goal is more about internal consistency - the bar for what someone personally considers “believable” is awfully subjective. It's the application of suspending the audience's disbelief. You want to make it realistic enough so as to not break most people's suspension of disbelief, anything beyond that is a question of style and what people like. That's all, really.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 13, 2018 3:14:05 GMT
It's the application of suspending the audience's disbelief. You want to make it realistic enough so as to not break most people's suspension of disbelief, anything beyond that is a question of style and what people like. That's all, really. Well yeah, and keep it internally consistent, which is what I underlined and pointed at.
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Post by river82 on Apr 13, 2018 3:20:51 GMT
It's the application of suspending the audience's disbelief. You want to make it realistic enough so as to not break most people's suspension of disbelief, anything beyond that is a question of style and what people like. That's all, really. Well yeah, and keep it internally consistent, which is what I underlined and pointed at. Oh is that what he was doing xD. I thought he was tracking a mosquito with his finger I used to think people cared about internal consistency ... then I watched Doctor Who
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 13, 2018 3:24:10 GMT
Well yeah, and keep it internally consistent, which is what I underlined and pointed at. Oh is that what he was doing xD. I thought he was tracking a mosquito with his finger I used to think people cared about internal consistency ... then I watched Doctor Who The Bioware gamers seem to, I've seen thousands of complaints about inconsistencies. Yes, I've been on the Bioware boards way too long.
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