He didn't have the patience to wait for a measly couple of years for that?
Not even years. I figure he's pretty full force by the time he sucks Flemeth's soul out.
I thought he power sucked her because he wasn't full force and he needed to be. If he was willing to give Cory the orb and drain an old friend i presume regaining his power naturally must take a very long time, if it can happen on its own at all. Or atleast an amount of time that couldn't be waited due to the plan needing to occur sooner.
"You are required to do nothing, least of all believe. Shut one's eye tight or open one's arms wider, either way one's a fool." - Flemeth
But... how is that an action based on chance? He didn't lead Venatori to orb on a flimsy hope that they'd open it for him and get themselves exploded in the process. Corypheus, in fact, did exactly that - what Solas didn't foresee, for whatever reason, was that Cory had a 'revive' button. But acting on incomplete data ain't just leaving things to chance.
For the same reason that "if you want something done, you'd better do it yourself" is a thing. You can't predict the outcome when you leave things to other people. The minute he relinquished the orb he was taking a chance that things would turn out in the way he wanted. Even ignoring the Corypheus horcrux thing, they could have said, "Y'know, this thing belongs in a museum!*"
He could have waited, had just a bit of patience, and accomplished his goal without all the fuss. Waiting for himself to be at full strength was all he had to do. He's thousands of years old! He didn't have the patience to wait for a measly couple of years for that?
* However remote, that was a possibility.
First - you assume that Solas ever had a chance to do stuff by himself when admitting that he woke 'still weak', or giving orb to Cory or later stealing Mythal's power proves that it ain't necessarily the case. Seems that he's calculated that chance of doing the thing himself was smaller than the above - and considering how much he IS about doing stuff himself suggests that he didn't make that decision based on a lousy whim.
Second - how do you know that he'd have accomplished his goals without a fuss? What gives you that idea? We have very little to no data to assume that things would go as he's planned "had he just a bit of patience", especially considering that everything that happened after the Orb got handed to Cory happened because of THE cosmic coincidence in the Temple that probably nobody could have predicted, ever.
Plus, patience assumes that Solas would have had enough time to accomplish everything he had planned... when he keeps dropping hints across the story that the one commodity everyone's running out of IS time.
Third - we won't get much anywhere if people will just keep drawing false equivalences between Solas disliking chance and Solas never taking any chances (regardless how much he's done to mitigate those). Solas also disliked the idea of pushing the Fade away from the world, yet he did it. So he's certainly no stranger to doing things he dislikes if necessity calls for it, especially if those are things that are not as trivial as choosing one's form of entertainment.
Needless to say, I've already pointed out that Solas disliking chance and thus preferring chess to cards has zilch to do with a 'game' about the fate of the world, where things will happen that are outside of each actor's control or desire of control. Indeed, perhaps his preference of chess stems from the very fact that he's forced to deal with random chance so much a game with strict rules and a wide margin of success based on predictions offers a welcome reprieve.
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I thought he power sucked her because he wasn't full force and he needed to be. If he was willing to give Cory the orb and drain an old friend i presume regaining his power naturally must take a very long time, if it can happen on its own at all. Or atleast an amount of time that couldn't be waited due to the plan needing to occur sooner.
Plus, he did tell us in Trespasser that he awoke "still weak" - and if the millennia-long nap didn't help him regain strength, there's little reason to assume that a year or two among the living have made any significant difference, at least when it comes to amount of power needed to a.) open the orb, or b.) open the orb and do whatever else he's planning to do.
Nevermind that he's already experienced a setback with Felassan before he even awoke and we don't know how much that cost him, either power-wise or in relation to his schemes.
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how do you know that he'd have accomplished his goals without a fuss?
I didn't say that. I specifically said "the fuss." I was referring specifically to the Breach, having the Anchor embedded in the Inquitor's hand -- some random schmuck who stumbled into things, having to ingratiate himself into the Inquisition to help with the mess of his own making (and keep in proximity to the Anchor), and pretty much all the events in DAI. I'm pretty sure none of that factored at all into his plans, in fact put a huge crimp in them and was a huge hassle and inconvenience.
Sure, he may have had different problems, but they wouldn't have been those same problems we experienced, and by waiting he would have been in a better position to deal with them since he would have had control over the orb.
That's all I'll say about it. I know you could argue about Solas until DA4 comes out, but that's not my thing, so I'll stop there.
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how do you know that he'd have accomplished his goals without a fuss?
I didn't say that. I specifically said "the fuss." I was referring specifically to the Breach, having the Anchor embedded in the Inquitor's hand -- some random schmuck who stumbled into things, having to ingratiate himself into the Inquisition to help with the mess of his own making (and keep in proximity to the Anchor), and pretty much all the events in DAI. I'm pretty sure none of that factored at all into his plans, in fact put a huge crimp in them and was a huge hassle and inconvenience.
Sure, he may have had different problems, but they wouldn't have been those same problems we experienced, and by waiting he would have been in a better position to deal with them since he would have had control over the orb.
Nope, that still doesn't answer what gives you the confidence to think that patience would pay off or why do you assume that he'd have enough power to do anything by himself, or that anything in that alternative timeline would've been better, even if by the grace of controlling the orb - which we can't easily assume, given that he has handed orb to Cory specifically because he was too weak to unlock it.
Like I said - if a guy so determined to do things on his own decides to open the orb by tricking another to do so, it quite likely means that chances of opening it himself were likely smaller than that.
That's all I'll say about it. I know you could argue about Solas until DA4 comes out, but that's not my thing, so I'll stop there.
As you wish. There's just not much else to talk about until DA4 comes out anyhow, so it shouldn't be a surprise that I jump at any occasion to discuss stuff that is likely at the very center of the next title...
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The most informative thing you can learn is the -why-. For an example, as the guy behind them, I can tell you everything that was bad about 'simple' conversations in DAI - that is to say, those conversations where the camera never cuts.
But if you come in with 'oh, wow, I hated X, it was bad for all these reasons' I will stop listening to you
These are the ones usually encountered even here. People spout out things they dont understand, like that "I hated.." but most of them dont even try to learn WHY. I guess its much easier to stop thinking and just say the typical "lazy developers" or such things repeately said.
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RE: the Epler tweets, and sort of related. Have they ever gone into extensive detail about the friend/rival system in DA2? How they wanted it work work, what (if any) failings there were between the vision and the final result, why they thought it was overall good/bad, and so on?
I don't just mean in response to fan complaints about it. I read many of those back in the day, and they never went into the kind of depth I'm referring to and were mainly a response to the fan issues.
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Non disclosure agreements are a triptych of company, artist & fandom. The company wants to grow excitement, the artist wants to placate the fervent fandom. The ultimate industry fan tease.
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Cullen?!? Wait to easy. We all know its Bungie and Destiny.
Non disclosure agreements are a triptych of company, artist & fandom. The company wants to grow excitement, the artist wants to placate the fervent fandom. The ultimate industry fan tease.
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Cullen?!? Wait to easy. We all know its Bungie and Destiny.
All jokes aside i don´t expect this to be DA 4.
Maybe Diablo 4?
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