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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jun 5, 2018 6:25:26 GMT
I can't say I like the new one at all. I like it a lot, its modern, but still mostly the same as before. Most of the "who cut this letter" are out from the new font. In old A and R are just .. not nice chars, in new one everything is clean lined. Yes I'm a graphic designer.
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 5, 2018 6:36:37 GMT
I just thought to myself that the new logo looks so generic that the only possible way to out-generic it would be typing BioWare's name in Paint in the Times New Roman font. So I fired up Paint, typed "BioWare" in Times New Roman 20 pt bold, and it actually looked a bit better.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jun 5, 2018 7:46:05 GMT
I just thought to myself that the new logo looks so generic that the only possible way to out-generic it would be typing BioWare's name in Paint in the Times New Roman font. So I fired up Paint, typed "BioWare" in Times New Roman 20 pt bold, and it actually looked a bit better. Nothing looks better in Times New Roman I agree its more generic, than the old one, but it looks better to me
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Post by river82 on Jun 5, 2018 8:21:26 GMT
My Mum's out of surgery so I'm much, much relieved. I might be able to concentrate on work again, haven't been able to concentrate all day. So last post before I leave the internet for a while and get some work done. The old Bioware logo took serifs and sorta butchered it. For those that don't know, serifs are those little lines on the end of letters that make them easier to read in print*, (san serif is preferred with digital). Bioware took these serifs and ... did weird things to them. The new Bioware logo mostly does away with those serifs, which is the more modern touch. I'm doubting Times New Roman, a serif font, looks better than Bioware's new logo which is mostly san serif ... on the screen anyway *
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 5, 2018 9:13:49 GMT
BioWare
Not that bad, no? The new logo looks simplied... and I find the design of the B and the W kinda irritating. But maybe that's intentional.
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Post by river82 on Jun 5, 2018 9:30:42 GMT
BioWareNot that bad, no? The new logo looks simplied... and I find the design of the B and the W kinda irritating. But maybe that's intentional. You don't get the full experience because the text is too small to see the details. If you blow it up it looks like this:
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jun 5, 2018 9:36:31 GMT
BioWareNot that bad, no? The new logo looks simplied... and I find the design of the B and the W kinda irritating. But maybe that's intentional. You don't get the full experience because the text is too small to see the details. If you blow it up it looks like this: HG HNGHGHGHHHHhh... KERNING IS ALL OVER THE PLACE!!! OMG. I cannot fathom how wrong that is
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 5, 2018 9:41:59 GMT
BioWareNot that bad, no? The new logo looks simplied... and I find the design of the B and the W kinda irritating. But maybe that's intentional. You don't get the full experience because the text is too small to see the details. If you blow it up it looks like this: Well, at least there is detail in that font, while the new logo is super-simplified. Except for the totally edgy B and W. And with that, I apologize for the derailment and promise to not do it again any time soon.
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Post by Fredward on Jun 5, 2018 10:13:16 GMT
🌸 Amy Petty🌸🌧️ @apetty77I may be the last person on Earth to have noticed this, but Solas's line to the Inquisitor remains the same for elves: He says "For my people to live, YOUR PEOPLE must die." I keep wondering whether that's simply an oversight or deliberate. Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrahHaven’t asked @patrickweekes but I’d say deliberate. [HASH]DAT Isn't there a conversation with Solas where you mention "his people" and he's confused as to why you're bringing up mages in a conversation about elves (or something along those lines)? Abelas also very distinctly says that they (old elves) are not your (current elves) people, which tends to drive my Dalish inquisitors to homicidal fury. I don't think the old elves identify much with contemporary elves. So yeah, I'd say it's deliberate.
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Post by vertigomez on Jun 5, 2018 11:55:47 GMT
where tf is that comic that calls Solas out for going "my people" "your people" "my people" "your people" over and over?
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 5, 2018 13:07:50 GMT
where tf is that comic that calls Solas out for going "my people" "your people" "my people" "your people" over and over? Oh look... the conflicted guy is conflicted
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 5, 2018 13:22:24 GMT
🌸 Amy Petty🌸🌧️ @apetty77I may be the last person on Earth to have noticed this, but Solas's line to the Inquisitor remains the same for elves: He says "For my people to live, YOUR PEOPLE must die." I keep wondering whether that's simply an oversight or deliberate. Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrahHaven’t asked @patrickweekes but I’d say deliberate. Isn't there a conversation with Solas where you mention "his people" and he's confused as to why you're bringing up mages in a conversation about elves (or something along those lines)? Abelas also very distinctly says that they (old elves) are not your (current elves) people, which tends to drive my Dalish inquisitors to homicidal fury. I don't think the old elves identify much with contemporary elves. So yeah, I'd say it's deliberate. Yea, after Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts - IRC, it happens when non-elf Inky brings up something that starts with 'I'm glad your people...' into the conversation and Solas is caught off-guard, like: 'huh, mages? ...Oops - you mean elves!'. I think that's significant too. Because it shows that there are people in modern Thedas that he seems to vaguely identify with and they aren't a specific race but magical folks.
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Post by wickedcool on Jun 5, 2018 13:34:51 GMT
Any chance that the elves Solas speaks about are not thedas elves.
When solas convinced the hinterlands elf to give us the amulet if power did he use a spell . Any translation of what he tells her.
Same with masked empire? Not much is talked about solas in this book (it is solas that appears?). He is much more ruthless in this book and vastly different than the trickster or apostate mage
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Post by Iakus on Jun 5, 2018 14:33:21 GMT
Any chance that the elves Solas speaks about are not thedas elves. When solas convinced the hinterlands elf to give us the amulet if power did he use a spell . Any translation of what he tells her. Same with masked empire? Not much is talked about solas in this book (it is solas that appears?). He is much more ruthless in this book and vastly different than the trickster or apostate mage More likely he means the elves of ancient Arlathan. He wants to bring that life back.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 5, 2018 14:55:07 GMT
The conversation with Abelas is the most telling. He specifically rejects Lavellan as one of his people and yet when Solas tells him "Your people yet linger", Abelas replies "Elvhen such as you?" and Solas replies in the affirmative. I don't know exactly what allows Abelas to immediately distinguish Solas from Lavellan unless he has actually met him before and knows he is the Dread Wolf. It is not the lack of hair since we've been told that is merely a design choice (fashion statement) on Solas' part. Can one Dreamer mage immediately spot another Dreamer mage? Possibly. Still whatever the case may be it is clear that Abelas and Solas regard themselves as different from the modern elves, whether Dalish or not.
In fact if the hidden codex we find is by Abelas, which it seems to be, he says how those born before the Veil feel trapped in the material world and those born after it was raised do not truly appreciate what was lost even among his own followers. So there is definitely something different about the post-Veil elves. My guess is that they are less spirit-like, just as Cole is if you choose to make him more human. This is why Solas seems to identify more strongly with spirits than with the modern elves. If he comes to admire Lavellan he says he specifically mentions their spirit. The warning of the Evanuris against Fen'Harel also says that he knows much of the People and their spirits so there is definitely some sort of spiritual connection that was lost on the raising of the Veil.
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Post by vertigomez on Jun 5, 2018 15:02:42 GMT
YES, thank you.
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Post by Gilli on Jun 5, 2018 15:55:33 GMT
Any chance that the elves Solas speaks about are not thedas elves. When solas convinced the hinterlands elf to give us the amulet if power did he use a spell . Any translation of what he tells her. Same with masked empire? Not much is talked about solas in this book (it is solas that appears?). He is much more ruthless in this book and vastly different than the trickster or apostate mage He says: "Ma Halani. Ma Glandival. Vir Enasalin." lose translation by me: "Help me. Believe me. We will win(?)" <-- not sure about the Vir Enasalin part, according to the Elven language page on the DA wikia, "Vir" translates to "Way" but also "we" and "Enasalin" translates to "Victory".
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Post by thats1evildude on Jun 5, 2018 16:25:36 GMT
🌸 Amy Petty🌸🌧️ @apetty77I may be the last person on Earth to have noticed this, but Solas's line to the Inquisitor remains the same for elves: He says "For my people to live, YOUR PEOPLE must die." I keep wondering whether that's simply an oversight or deliberate. Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrahHaven’t asked @patrickweekes but I’d say deliberate. [HASH]DAT Isn't there a conversation with Solas where you mention "his people" and he's confused as to why you're bringing up mages in a conversation about elves (or something along those lines)? Abelas also very distinctly says that they (old elves) are not your (current elves) people, which tends to drive my Dalish inquisitors to homicidal fury. I don't think the old elves identify much with contemporary elves. So yeah, I'd say it's deliberate. There are variations on this scene, but it always involves Solas going, “Oh, you mean ELVES! Yeah, I don’t have much in common with the #FakeElves of today.”
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 5, 2018 17:00:42 GMT
The conversation with Abelas is the most telling. He specifically rejects Lavellan as one of his people and yet when Solas tells him "Your people yet linger", Abelas replies "Elvhen such as you?" and Solas replies in the affirmative. I don't know exactly what allows Abelas to immediately distinguish Solas from Lavellan unless he has actually met him before and knows he is the Dread Wolf. It is not the lack of hair since we've been told that is merely a design choice (fashion statement) on Solas' part. Can one Dreamer mage immediately spot another Dreamer mage? Possibly. Still whatever the case may be it is clear that Abelas and Solas regard themselves as different from the modern elves, whether Dalish or not. In fact if the hidden codex we find is by Abelas, which it seems to be, he says how those born before the Veil feel trapped in the material world and those born after it was raised do not truly appreciate what was lost even among his own followers. So there is definitely something different about the post-Veil elves. My guess is that they are less spirit-like, just as Cole is if you choose to make him more human. This is why Solas seems to identify more strongly with spirits than with the modern elves. If he comes to admire Lavellan he says he specifically mentions their spirit. The warning of the Evanuris against Fen'Harel also says that he knows much of the People and their spirits so there is definitely some sort of spiritual connection that was lost on the raising of the Veil. Abelas also distinguishes between Sera and Solas - he has different dialogues when we enter only with Sera ('you have someone in your team that resembles an elf' - similar if the only elf in the group is Dalish Inquisitor) and only really say that we travel with 'one of his own' if we enter with Solas. He also tells us that the Dalish are 'shadows wearing vallaslin', and also describes magic lodged in Inky's hand as 'familiar'. I don't think it's a stretch to assume that ancient elves have ways of identifying one another - maybe not on the level of knowing exactly who one is, but enough to distinguish modern elves from ancient. And really, should we be surprised? We know that mages sense auras that non-mages don't, or that even modern elves see Crossroads differently from non-elves, or that spirits can see way more than mortals, plus there's a suggestion in Calpernia's short story that Corypheus sees people's internal auras and thus can measure one's power - so perhaps elves of old are like tetrachromats (those who can see more spectrum of light, like ultraviolet) in the world of trichromats or maybe even colorblind and thus see more - or see the lack of some sort in the world that most people have also lost ability to see or sense.
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Post by vertigomez on Jun 5, 2018 17:16:58 GMT
Isn't there a conversation with Solas where you mention "his people" and he's confused as to why you're bringing up mages in a conversation about elves (or something along those lines)? Abelas also very distinctly says that they (old elves) are not your (current elves) people, which tends to drive my Dalish inquisitors to homicidal fury. I don't think the old elves identify much with contemporary elves. So yeah, I'd say it's deliberate. There are variations on this scene, but it always involves Solas going, “Oh, you mean ELVES! Yeah, I don’t have much in common with the #FakeElves of today.” Bonus scene if you're romancing Sera: "she's no more of an elf than I am a horse."
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 5, 2018 17:17:06 GMT
When Abelas says to Solas "Elven such as you?" he says it with a sarcastic, unimpressed tone. The same tone he uses when he tells an elven Quizzy "you are not my people." He, in my opinion, sees Solas as just another worthless version of elves that have lived outside their Temple and he doesn't have much faith in them. I don't buy that he recognizes Solas as another ancient elf.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 5, 2018 17:31:01 GMT
When Abelas says to Solas "Elven such as you?" he says it with a sarcastic, unimpressed tone. The same tone he uses when he tells an elven Quizzy "you are not my people." He, in my opinion, sees Solas as just another worthless version of elves that have lived outside their Temple and he doesn't have much faith in them. I don't buy that he recognizes Solas as another ancient elf. No, this is not a sarcastic, unimpressed tone. It's a guarded one - and after Solas confirms Abelas is shown to chew this over, making a meaningful pause before he continues the conversation. And after that, when Solas speaks to him in elvhen, we actually see a shadow of a smile on Abelas's face and a nod made in Solas's direction. It's just so obvious that Abelas sees more than a 'worthless version of elves' in Solas, especially that that distinction is there from the very start - Solas is the only elf Abelas literally proclaims as 'one of his own' the moment they enter, despite later angrily refusing to do so to elf Inquisitor or earlier deeming them (or Sera) as people who only resemble elves.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 5, 2018 18:39:19 GMT
When Abelas says to Solas "Elven such as you?" he says it with a sarcastic, unimpressed tone. The same tone he uses when he tells an elven Quizzy "you are not my people." He, in my opinion, sees Solas as just another worthless version of elves that have lived outside their Temple and he doesn't have much faith in them. I don't buy that he recognizes Solas as another ancient elf. No, this is not a sarcastic, unimpressed tone. It's a guarded one - and after Solas confirms Abelas is shown to chew this over, making a meaningful pause before he continues the conversation. And after that, when Solas speaks to him in elvhen, we actually see a shadow of a smile on Abelas's face and a nod made in Solas's direction. It's just so obvious that Abelas sees more than a 'worthless version of elves' in Solas, especially that that distinction is there from the very start - Solas is the only elf Abelas literally proclaims as 'one of his own' the moment they enter, despite later angrily refusing to do so to elf Inquisitor or earlier deeming them (or Sera) as people who only resemble elves. I don't buy it. The way he says the word "elven" is derisive and dismissive. Which fits - he's a defeated elf, only fulfilling duty. He sees no hope beyond the Temple or with the remains of his people. It all fits. It's why he's so ready to destroy the Well. Sorry, we're just going to agree to disagree on this one.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 5, 2018 19:32:06 GMT
I don't buy it. The way he says the word "elven" is derisive and dismissive. Which fits - he's a defeated elf, only fulfilling duty. He sees no hope beyond the Temple or with the remains of his people. It all fits. It's why he's so ready to destroy the Well. Sorry, we're just going to agree to disagree on this one. I'll just add this - Abelas being guarded/dismissive when he first asks Solas his question makes sense, because Solas was on the cusp of restoring a sliver of hope in an elf that has otherwise lost it all and seems to be prepared for the worst (a trait surviving ancient appear to share, don't they?). In fact, we DO see that hope took root, because the only time we see gloomy Abelas display even a shadow of a positive emotion was when Solas addressed him in elvhen, right before he abandons his duty (and Solas suggests in banter with Dorian later on that Abelas is likely on his way to join surviving elvhen). Hence I see no reason to dismiss the whole interaction just because Abelas sounded bitter'ish at some point, because that simply... well, fits the whole scenario. In fact, I'd say that their interactions make no sense to be there at all if Abelas didn't recognize Solas (at least as an ancient elf) and why their dialogues always take priority over comments made by other characters when Solas is in the group.
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