Paula Kirkus ⭕️ @midgetpaula Would these [Dragon Age Comics] be considered canon?
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes Yes, except that in places where an assumption is made about past events that a player could have chosen differently for. Then assume that the past-event section is not true for everyone, but picked as reasonable.
Clumsy Example: In the Magekiller series, Marius and Tessa meet the Chargers. For games where the Inquisitor never recruited Bull, the bit about the Chargers isn’t true, but Marius and Tessa still worked for the Inquisition and did the major events.
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Interessing but the Charger have not that important role in Magekiller.
Sebastian is also be more hossile to Varric if Anders still lives and the Inquisition stops Sebastians Invasion.
Alistair on the other Hand is fascinating. The Story will likely be same even if Alistair is a Warden or Drunk.
But what happened if Alistair is dead? Varric and Isabela have no reason to search for King Maric.
Also i would prefer that Sten is in all Settings the new Arishok. If he will have an replacement in DA 4 when i would fear that
it could limit the Screentime of Sten.
Last Question: Are all Comics Canon? Even this Dragon Age Comic from IDW Publishing which told the story of Gleam???
This especially interessing because Cleam or her Story was never again mentioned again.
Post by thats1evildude on Jul 4, 2018 17:33:02 GMT
No, the very first Dragon Age comics are not canon. They’ve been unofficially relegated to Discontinuity since they were hilariously awful. The story will never be finished.
No, the very first Dragon Age comics are not canon. They’ve been unofficially relegated to Discontinuity since they were hilariously awful. The story will never be finished.
Nearly everything else is canon.
Was that stated somewhere, or are you just phrasing it like that because you dislike them?
Let's use an example of the fate of Maric. We know where he is and what's happening to him. Could it not be that he has that same fate regardless? If Alistair died or is not king, and so does not go on that adventure, he just "hangs out" there until he's bled dry. Yavana could still exist as Flemeth's daughter. There are various little facts like that that can sill be canon even if the main plot of the comics -- requiring certain choices by our Warden -- did not occur.
Also, I'm not sure what there is to finish. The final panel seemed rather definitive to me: Alistair sitting on his throne, resigned to his fate and hating being king. Seeking out Maric was a last ditch effort to avoid all that.
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No, the very first Dragon Age comics are not canon. They’ve been unofficially relegated to Discontinuity since they were hilariously awful. The story will never be finished.
Nearly everything else is canon.
Was that stated somewhere, or are you just phrasing it like that because you dislike them?
Let's use an example of the fate of Maric. We know where he is and what's happening to him. Could it not be that he has that same fate regardless? If Alistair died or is not king, and so does not go on that adventure, he just "hangs out" there until he's bled dry. Yavana could still exist as Flemeth's daughter. There are various little facts like that that can sill be canon even if the main plot of the comics -- requiring certain choices by our Warden -- did not occur.
Also, I'm not sure what there is to finish. The final panel seemed rather definitive to me: Alistair sitting on his throne, resigned to his fate and hating being king. Seeking out Maric was a last ditch effort to avoid all that.
I wouldn't be surprised if Yavana is alive regardless of canon or the comics. If there is one thing we've learned about the Witches of the Wilds, it is that stabbing them is not an effective way to kill them.
I wouldn't be surprised if Yavana is alive regardless of canon or the comics. If there is one thing we've learned about the Witches of the Wilds, it is that stabbing them is not an effective way to kill them.
Well I mainly just meant her existence at all, but that's a good point as well.
Mountains. Cold. "Let's bring Dorian!" It's good to be Champion!
No, the very first Dragon Age comics are not canon. They’ve been unofficially relegated to Discontinuity since they were hilariously awful. The story will never be finished.
I’ve never read them. But I have seen a synopsis, seen some of the panels and heard comments from others about how they were hilariously awful.
The art was bad, the story was bad and it was nonsensical from a lore perspective. Also, Orson Scott Card has a writing credit, and he’s persona non grata to most decent people.
As I said, it’s never been OFFICIALLY stated they’ve been removed from continuity, likely because BioWare would prefer to forget they exist. (Likewise, if you ask any of the participants about the Star Wars Holiday Special, they say “What Holiday Special?”)
That said, nearly every other DA product has been acknowledged in games or the lore books. Even Dawn of the Seeker is canon. But no one from those first DA comics has ever appeared even offhandedly in a codex, a lorebook or what have you.
Gleam doesn’t even appear in Heroes of Dragon Age, and to give you an idea of how insignificant you can be and still appear in HoDA, Betyar the dog merchant is in there.
thats1evildude Oh THOSE! I thought you meant the first run with David Gaider writing... The entirety of my post does not apply, then. And yeah, totally agree that those aren't canon.
Mountains. Cold. "Let's bring Dorian!" It's good to be Champion!
No, the very first Dragon Age comics are not canon. They’ve been unofficially relegated to Discontinuity since they were hilariously awful. The story will never be finished.
Nearly everything else is canon.
Was that stated somewhere, or are you just phrasing it like that because you dislike them?
Let's use an example of the fate of Maric. We know where he is and what's happening to him. Could it not be that he has that same fate regardless? If Alistair died or is not king, and so does not go on that adventure, he just "hangs out" there until he's bled dry. Yavana could still exist as Flemeth's daughter. There are various little facts like that that can sill be canon even if the main plot of the comics -- requiring certain choices by our Warden -- did not occur.
Also, I'm not sure what there is to finish. The final panel seemed rather definitive to me: Alistair sitting on his throne, resigned to his fate and hating being king. Seeking out Maric was a last ditch effort to avoid all that.
I wonder if - if Alistair doesn't become king, dies or so on - it's Yavana that somehow makes Maric stand against his jailor and thus it ends in a similar way the comics do. Maybe it's Sten that somehow connects the dots. I mean, we do know that 'main events' from comics happen in one way or another and the main event in that particular comic is basically the fall of Aurelian Titus and Maric's 'release'.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jul 4, 2018 18:48:52 GMT
Well first i believe that the Two Penny Arcade Comics are Canon. Nothing really happened in these Shorts and there is no reason why Bioware would change that. Especially the Nathaniel Comic.
But Dragon Age IDW / Gleam Comic is different. Therefore we need an official Statement if the Dragon Age IDW Comic is Canon or not.
Was that stated somewhere, or are you just phrasing it like that because you dislike them?
Let's use an example of the fate of Maric. We know where he is and what's happening to him. Could it not be that he has that same fate regardless? If Alistair died or is not king, and so does not go on that adventure, he just "hangs out" there until he's bled dry. Yavana could still exist as Flemeth's daughter. There are various little facts like that that can sill be canon even if the main plot of the comics -- requiring certain choices by our Warden -- did not occur.
Also, I'm not sure what there is to finish. The final panel seemed rather definitive to me: Alistair sitting on his throne, resigned to his fate and hating being king. Seeking out Maric was a last ditch effort to avoid all that.
I wonder if - if Alistair doesn't become kind, dies or so on - it's Yavana that somehow makes Maric stand against his jailor and thus it ends in a similar way the comics do. Maybe it's Sten that somehow connects the dots. I mean, we do know that 'main events' from comics happen in one way or another and the main event in that particular comic is basically the fall of Aurelian Titus and Maric's 'release'.
Probably. After all it sounded like Aristen was going to deal with Titus, given he tells Alistair that he is essentially in protective custody until the matter is dealt with. But Isabela break them out and we get what happens in the comics. With him already helping in the attack, it wouldn't really require much change in dialogue if it is brought up.
I wonder if - if Alistair doesn't become kind, dies or so on - it's Yavana that somehow makes Maric stand against his jailor and thus it ends in a similar way the comics do. Maybe it's Sten that somehow connects the dots. I mean, we do know that 'main events' from comics happen in one way or another and the main event in that particular comic is basically the fall of Aurelian Titus and Maric's 'release'.
Probably. After all it sounded like Aristen was going to deal with Titus, given he tells Alistair that he is essentially in protective custody until the matter is dealt with. But Isabela break them out and we get what happens in the comics. With him already helping in the attack, it wouldn't really require much change in dialogue if it is brought up.
Ah - let's not forget that Varric mentioned in banter that he's met Sten, so Varric must've been involved in that somehow.
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Prefer Alistair as King, it's more interesting to me.
I prefer him more as Warden, but I had to (only time I've done this!) change my canon as I otherwise would have to make the awful decision of either sacrificing a past Love Interest or my own former PC.
That wasn't cool Bioware, I don't mind a little heartbreak but that was too much.
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Prefer Alistair as King, it's more interesting to me.
I prefer him more as Warden, but I had to (only time I've done this!) change my canon as I otherwise would have to make the awful decision of either sacrificing a past Love Interest or my own former PC.
That wasn't cool Bioware, I don't mind a little heartbreak but that was too much.
Imagine if you had to pick between your Warden or Hawke.
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I prefer him more as Warden, but I had to (only time I've done this!) change my canon as I otherwise would have to make the awful decision of either sacrificing a past Love Interest or my own former PC.
That wasn't cool Bioware, I don't mind a little heartbreak but that was too much.
Imagine if you had to pick between your Warden or Hawke.
Truth be told, I would kill the Warden. I like my sarcastic Hawke a lot.
Prefer Alistair as King, it's more interesting to me.
I prefer him more as Warden, but I had to (only time I've done this!) change my canon as I otherwise would have to make the awful decision of either sacrificing a past Love Interest or my own former PC.
That wasn't cool Bioware, I don't mind a little heartbreak but that was too much.
That was honestly one of the easiest decisions in the game for me. I was actually hoping that DA2 would have some kind of "ultimate sacrifice" ending for Hawke since that seemed like the most appropriate ending for the way my playthrough went. The choice in Inquisition for me became: sacrifice one of my favorite characters in the series (and my Warden's love interest) or a character I felt should have died in the previous game. I felt bad for Varric and Fenris, but it was seriously a no brainer for me. I can see why a lot of players found it heartbreaking, but depending upon your perspective on DA2, killing Hawke can actually feel like the right choice.
Does anyone in the game (Leliana, for example) acknowledge Alistair's death and/or the Warden's reaction to it if you leave him in the Fade? The letter she sends prior to Adamant if romanced contains somewhat of a veiled threat to the Inquisitor if any harm comes to him. Obviously a direct appearance by the Warden would be out of the question, but as a player I would want there to be consequences for pissing off someone so powerful.
I prefer him more as Warden, but I had to (only time I've done this!) change my canon as I otherwise would have to make the awful decision of either sacrificing a past Love Interest or my own former PC.
That wasn't cool Bioware, I don't mind a little heartbreak but that was too much.
That was honestly one of the easiest decisions in the game for me. I was actually hoping that DA2 would have some kind of "ultimate sacrifice" ending for Hawke since that seemed like the most appropriate ending for the way my playthrough went. The choice in Inquisition for me became: sacrifice one of my favorite characters in the series (and my Warden's love interest) or a character I felt should have died in the previous game. I felt bad for Varric and Fenris, but it was seriously a no brainer for me. I can see why a lot of players found it heartbreaking, but depending upon your perspective on DA2, killing Hawke can actually feel like the right choice.
Does anyone in the game (Leliana, for example) acknowledge Alistair's death and/or the Warden's reaction to it if you leave him in the Fade? The letter she sends prior to Adamant if romanced contains somewhat of a veiled threat to the Inquisitor if any harm comes to him. Obviously a direct appearance by the Warden would be out of the question, but as a player I would want there to be consequences for pissing off someone so powerful.
Well, I do know that in playthrough I sacrificed Alistair and allied with mages Fiona had a line that sounded quite threatening... then she disappeared from the game forever. Do you think it means that she's up to something and plans to bring him back?
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But Dragon Age IDW / Gleam Comic is different. Therefore we need an official Statement if the Dragon Age IDW Comic is Canon or not.
On the whole it doesn't really matter one way or the other considering no one we have encountered in the game world is harmed in the period in which the comic is set and Gleam ends up in Kinloch Hold, so if this was before the 5th Blight could have perished in those events or if post Blight could have perished in the mage/Templar war.
However, there was an interesting development concerning blood magic in this comic, which would actually be far more pertinent to a future game, particularly since we are heading north to Tevinter, the home of blood magic. There is an old god cultist featured who is a blood mage and he tells Gleam that blood magic can be used to do good things such as heal people, restore failing crops, and protect the innocent. Clearly the last of these was always true but the positive benefits of healing people or crops is not something previously associated with blood magic. So normally I would have discounted this as something not canon.
However, there is that codex in game and in World of Thedas concerning the responsible use of blood magic. At the end it mentions how Seraphinian used his own blood to cure his lover's wasting disease, resulting in his death but her living a long and, presumably, useful life. Not only that but this wasn't healing a wound but an actual disease. We know from the Last Flight that blood magic can cause a disease but clearly it can also do the opposite. So the ability of blood magic to cure as well as kill is in fact canon.
Ironies of ironies, could blood magic ultimately be the key to curing the Blight?
I prefer him more as Warden, but I had to (only time I've done this!) change my canon as I otherwise would have to make the awful decision of either sacrificing a past Love Interest or my own former PC.
That wasn't cool Bioware, I don't mind a little heartbreak but that was too much.
Imagine if you had to pick between your Warden or Hawke.
Thb I'd prefer that since I'm not too fond of the Warden and I'd have no trouble picking who ends as spider food (not like I have now, but I'd be easier)
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I prefer him more as Warden, but I had to (only time I've done this!) change my canon as I otherwise would have to make the awful decision of either sacrificing a past Love Interest or my own former PC.
That wasn't cool Bioware, I don't mind a little heartbreak but that was too much.
Imagine if you had to pick between your Warden or Hawke.
And the difficult part is...? I almost always left Hawke to die anyway. I never felt any kind of connection to her. It was actually the easiest choice for me in all the DA games.
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