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Post by gaynadine on Sept 24, 2018 16:59:09 GMT
Spaniards and Italians are white. And again, that has nothing to do with anything because even if she were non white she still painted her skin darker, it's still brownface. Her cosplay would be fine without it. Criticizing racism that bioware is sharing is not ""race-baiting"". First off, not all of them are white skinned, most are tan or some shade of olive or brown.
Secondly, who actually cares? The makeup makes the cosplay more accurate. Its not an insult, its not brownface. It is brown foundation ON her face. Its not racist.
(And for the record, elves don't represent black people and Bioware doesn't hate them either. We all know its you, N7Phantom. And no, you still can't romance Vivienne.)
I was clearly talking about race, not skin color. People that are ethnically Italian with tans are still white. If people can't tell what character you are without brownface, then nothing can help make your cosplay more "accurate". Brownface is racist. It's colorist, it's offensive. Just because it's apart of a costume doesn't make it less so. Non white people including myself care. And I have no idea who that is. I didn't realize all Vivienne fans were the same And aren't elves are more coded Jewish/Indigenous?
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 24, 2018 17:41:56 GMT
Elves share some similarities to oppressed peoples, but they aren’t a direct analogue for any specific culture or race.
You know what? This conversation is straying into political territory, so I’m going to stop participating. Start a thread if you’re so inclined.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 24, 2018 17:49:41 GMT
I didn’t know Josephine needed to be “confirmed” as non-white, except to colourblind people. Anyway, Antiva is just a mishmash of Spain and Italy, though more leaning towards Spain. And Spanish people are a mix of skin colours. Take your race-baiting nonsense elsewhere. Actually, Antiva is more leaning towards Venician Italy. But yeah, there are plenty of non-white Mediterranean people like Spanish or Italians. Well, hang on... Mediterranean and Spanish people are in large part Caucasian^^; There are a lot of different ethnicities among them, given that both Spain and Italy were/are melting pots of different cultures from different parts of the world (in considerable part from the Middle East or Africa due to proximity), so I think it's more accurate to say that there are different mixtures of ethnicities living in places that Bioware tells us were an inspiration to places like Antiva - and that given its hotter climate there will be many people, including a lot of 'caucasian' (because clearly, they aren't literally that in DA universe) ones that will have darker skin colors as well.
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Post by gaynadine on Sept 24, 2018 17:57:59 GMT
Elves share some similarities to oppressed peoples, but they aren’t a direct analogue for any specific culture or race. You know what? This conversation is straying into political territory, so I’m going to stop participating. Start a thread if you’re so inclined. I'm not the one that started that with the whole "elves aren't black you know!!!" I was only responding to a comment that came out of nowhere. I am not going to continue it either since there really is no argument for brownface not being racist. Also: here and here
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 24, 2018 18:08:30 GMT
There has always been a lot of racial mixing in the southern Mediterranean area but particularly Spain considering how close northern Africa is to it. For a considerable part of its history it was ruled by the Moors, who came from north Africa and beyond. So, yes, Spanish people will exhibit a considerable variety of skin tones and even quite dark if they spend much of their time in the sun.
I took that to be the ethnicity they were going for with Josephine. Antiva borders Rivain to the north and that area is definitely sub-tropical and its native inhabitants naturally dusky skinned. The two nations must have inter-married frequently. That Queen Asha of Antiva was said to have married off her children into every ruling house in every nation, so other Antivan nationals probably did the same. You could even argue that Vivienne and Ser Barris must have had ancestors from northern Thedas because they do not share the same ethnic background as the majority of inhabitants of Ferelden and the Freemarches.
However, so far as the cosplay is concerned, she was playing Josephine not Vivienne, so she doesn't seem to have been faking an ethnicity that was not her own.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 24, 2018 18:09:42 GMT
Elves share some similarities to oppressed peoples, but they aren’t a direct analogue for any specific culture or race. You know what? This conversation is straying into political territory, so I’m going to stop participating. Start a thread if you’re so inclined. Yeah, it's time to move this discussion to a new thread if you want to continue it...
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Sept 24, 2018 18:15:31 GMT
Elves share some similarities to oppressed peoples, but they aren’t a direct analogue for any specific culture or race. You know what? This conversation is straying into political territory, so I’m going to stop participating. Start a thread if you’re so inclined. Yeah, it's time to move this discussion to a new thread if you want to continue it... Sure is. Let's get back to Twitter.
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Post by gaynadine on Sept 24, 2018 18:34:44 GMT
Yeah, it's time to move this discussion to a new thread if you want to continue it... Sure is. Let's get back to Twitter. Hopefully no more racist retweets this time.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Sept 24, 2018 18:38:06 GMT
Sure is. Let's get back to Twitter. Hopefully no more racist retweets this time. Yet it wasn't racist.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 24, 2018 19:11:25 GMT
And aren't elves are more coded Jewish/Indigenous? Ok... maybe you are not an alt of N7Phantom. If not, I apologize for the assumption. He makes alts with Vivienne's face as their pics and goes on about Bioware being (secretly?)racist for various reasons. You only have a few posts to your name and sounded remarkably like his rhetoric, so that's where I got that. Again, if you're not, I'm sorry. No one should be mistakenly compared to N7Phantom. A white person wearing brown makeup still isn't inherently racist, though. But yeah, tweet tweet.
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Post by phoray on Sept 25, 2018 2:11:16 GMT
Am I the only one that thought it was her natural skin color? O.o I wish I had awesome olive skin. I'm impressed by folks who cosplay, I've never put the effort into such a thing. But if I were the Advisors, I wouldn't stand so close to a glowing green portal
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 25, 2018 2:38:21 GMT
You're not the only one. Took me a while to figure out what the last page or so was even about.
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Post by link2twenty on Sept 25, 2018 7:44:46 GMT
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Post by Serza on Sept 25, 2018 9:33:01 GMT
Is it? Shit. It is. I got it right a few days back...
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Is it? Shit. It is. I got it right a few days back... *sigh*
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 26, 2018 21:14:06 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesSomeone in the elevator made fun of me referring to myself as P-Tricky, and I explained that it came up as a nickname from when younger-me tried to get people to call me Trick (short for Patrick), and the whole elevator burst into laughter, so how is your afternoon going? Melissa Davidson @tremblinglight Hey there P-Tricky, how's it hangin? Hope ur keepin it real up there on 5. I'm feeling the buzz hype on your dope ass shit it was fresh af. Im ready to throw down on any haters. Totes mcgoats.
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 27, 2018 6:44:16 GMT
In news that is not Twitter-related but does not necessitate its own thread: if you see a person ask "What is Dragon Age?" in the next few days and you're not in on the joke, watch this video.
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Post by Serza on Sept 27, 2018 8:16:39 GMT
Well, I probably wouldn't get Disney Infinity and ostriches, but I think I'd still be in the net gain, because if you don't know Elder Scrolls and Battle Royale, you should not call yourself a gamer. And Destiny is good for laughing your ass off about it.
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In news that is not Twitter-related but does not necessitate its own thread: if you see a person ask "What is Dragon Age?" in the next few days and you're not in on the joke, watch this video. Remember when the Nords killed the Titans and the rabbids invaded? Damn that was some great Dragon Age.
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Pepperridge farm remembers...
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John Epler @eplerjc I can't remember who told me this, but the best leadership advice I ever got - a good leader is like an umbrella. Open when it's raining, closed when its sunny. Which basically means - absorb the criticism for your team, and let them have the adulation for the successes.
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes And call them by the nicknames they want.
John Epler @eplerjc I'll give you a week of P Tricky.
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes Maybe just promise to support me when the email comes out someday asking how we want our names to appear in the credits, and I say “Trick Weekes”, and @karinweekes, coincidentally the one who wrangles credits strings, comes into the office to laugh in my face?
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 27, 2018 15:01:28 GMT
Dumped Drunk and Dalish @drunkdalish@patrickweekes and all you fab @bioware peeps, how old would you say Krem is when he and Bull join the Inquisition? My tentative guess is 28, which would give him time to serve 2-3 years as a soldier, then spend 6-7 years with the Chargers. Thoughts? Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesThat sounds about right to me. I would put him in late 20s, early 30s. ladyiolanthe ladyiolantheOh, oh! I've been wondering - @drunkdalish maybe you have estimated it already for your work on timelines, but if not, maybe someone at BioWare can say - but when do the Arlathvens take place? I know Merrill was traded at one when she was 4 yrs old, and they happen every 10 yrs, but I don't know how old Merrill was in the Dalish origin in DAO so I can't figure out what year she might have been traded. I guesstimate she was 19-20 so it might have been 9:15 Dragon or so. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesThat math SOUNDS right to me, but I don’t think we have actually specified a year. We may at some future point if need be. [HASH]DAT
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Jan Willem Nijman @jwaaaap what's something you added to your game that almost nobody will notice?
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Jan Willem Nijman @jwaaaapwhat's something you added to your game that almost nobody will notice? seb hanlon @hanlspin DA2, when you zoom the camera all the way in on PC, the anchor point drops down so you can take fullbody screenshots of your character Its all the small details, etc..
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