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Post by ellawyn on Oct 30, 2018 4:56:05 GMT
People hate EA and BioWare is a part of EA so you will always have some segment of the population constantly moaning about their games no matter what they do. I think the days of Tripple A RPGS like...Mass Effect or DA 2, are probably looonnng gone. But remember we've had what? 5 years? 6? of technological development between DA Is release and now. And there seem to be a lot of 'big' games out there that have really pushed the envelope in terms of story content in an 'open' world. Everything from Witcher 3 to HZD to Assassin's Creed Oddyssey seem to be getting fairly universal praise and they aren't quite alone. Plus DAI did try and release on two console generations at once which has been a much talked about problem for them. Note that neither Tresspasser or Descent was released on the last generation console and those turned out just fine. Now either with them releasing the game late this gen or for the next generation could solve a lot of these problems plus them learning their lesson plus the long development time I think DA 4 is going to be a very different animal from DA I in terms of side quests and livelieness of the world. DAI not only had the old consoles to deal with, but the Bioware DA team also had to learn Frostbite. So I agree with you, DA4 will probably be more realized than DAI, they'll get into the game more of what they want to get in. There's some empty in Inquisition because they couldn't make things work on the XBox 360/Playstation 3. I hope you're right. I get pessimistic about Bioware sometimes, but I still like them. I still get an experience from them that I have yet to find from any other game studio, and I hope I continue to get it.
But honestly, my issue with Inquisition is less the side-content, and more that the main plot and the companions are felt sort of... divorced from everything else. It very much felt like the game was about the open world, about the Hinterlands and the Hissing Wastes and the Storm Coast. They were the big focus, and the things that are typically the main draw in Bioware games (The companions) had very little to do with them. You trot out to the Storm Coast to pick up Bull and... that's it. The area otherwise has nothing to do with anything in the main quest. Some areas, like Hissing Wastes, don't even have that. It feels like two different games, one game where you mess around hunting nugs and closing rifts, and one game where you fight Corypheus and mack on Cassandra or whoever. It left a lot of the game feeling irrelevant to me.
Maybe that's just Bioware's inexperience with open-world design, I don't know. Regardless, if they stick to their guns about it, I hope they've figured out a way to make the main quest feel like something that takes place in the open world, not in Skyhold or Adamant or Redcliffe castle.
(Also, as a note: I disagree with people who say that Witcher 3 pulled off the open world thing. I feel like Witcher's open world was something I ended up ignoring after twenty minutes, and it just became empty space to gallop through on the way to the next main quest marker. I like how Bethesda does open-world games, but I go to them for a drastically different experience from Bioware. Can't comment on HZD or Odyssey because I haven't played either of them.)
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 30, 2018 15:03:47 GMT
As I’ve said elsewhere, I’m as much worried about Anthem’s am potential success smothering Dragon Age as I am its potential failure. So you assume that Anthem is going to be harmful to other Bioware projects regardless of whether it succeeds or fails? Not if it’s only a moderate success. My fear is that a runaway hit would prompt EA to shelve Dragon Age permanently to focus on Anthem. A middle-of-the-road franchise that meets EA’s minimum expectations would avert that outcome. |
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 30, 2018 16:23:20 GMT
So you assume that Anthem is going to be harmful to other Bioware projects regardless of whether it succeeds or fails? Not if it’s only a moderate success. My fear is that a runaway hit would prompt EA to shelve Dragon Age permanently to focus on Anthem. A middle-of-the-road franchise that meets EA’s minimum expectations would avert that outcome. Them 'permanently focusing' on Anthem for 10 years appears to be baked into the project from the start. If it succeeds I think we will see EA expanding Bioware or bringing more hands from outside the studio to help with it rather than throwing more BW eggs into one basket. EA's reputation suffered even more due to recent hijinks and despite money flowing they need to do something about it - we see them doing so already by plying people with future titles lacking loot crates or containing only acceptable microtransaction offers. They also need MORE titles for EA Origin Access library for it to be attractive. I think that's enough of an incentive for them to keep throwing money on more projects - and especially well-established franchises that so far seem to have brought them a lot of money. With Anthem not yet launched Dragon Age ATM remains one of their most valuable franchises. DAI was well-liked despite some naysayers saying otherwise, Trespasser was a success and people keep asking about DA4 constantly. IMO we may see reshufflings or changes to scope, but I don't see them pulling the plug or freezing one of their so-far profitable titles. |
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 30, 2018 17:23:16 GMT
I don’t think EA cares much about reputation when they’re earning profits in the neighbourhood of hundreds of millions off microtransactions.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 30, 2018 17:48:43 GMT
I don’t think EA cares much about reputation when they’re earning profits in the neighbourhood of hundreds of millions off microtransactions. But they care about Origin Access, their subscription service, which is something we see a ton of companies stuffing their money into in order to bring even more profits. You need titles in the library for this. There's a reason why the Big 3 invest in console exclusives, with Sony having an excellent streak of high-quality titles of predominantly SP nature (and Nintendo being no worse). Subscription services need to offer something similarly attractive to lure people in and will likely need to work harder to keep them, given how easy it is to unsubscribe. Nevermind that they've tried to apply their current money-making system in titles like BFII and suffered a severe backlash as a result that seems to have affected not just them but their competition as well. At some point money-making will be hampered by bad public opinion - it's not rocket science. |
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 30, 2018 18:27:58 GMT
Sorry, I deleted my post. I’m suddenly very tired of speculating about EA’s evil motives. I’m just going to say that I hope you’re right and EA remembers it still has a loyal fanbase with Dragon Age.
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Post by Serza on Oct 30, 2018 18:55:08 GMT
We can probably do fuck all but pray.
Unless one of you neglected to tell me you're a PsyOps expect. Then we might have a decent chance of letting them know.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Oct 30, 2018 18:59:31 GMT
Sorry, I deleted my post. I’m suddenly very tired of speculating about EA’s evil motives. I’m just going to say that I hope you’re right and EA remembers it still has a loyal fanbase with Dragon Age. |
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Post by Serza on Oct 31, 2018 15:00:52 GMT
Hey, guys. They're watching.
This isn't the sort of tease we were moaning about a couple days ago.
BUT THEY'RE WATCHING.
...here's hoping it'll go well.
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Post by Julilla on Oct 31, 2018 17:11:42 GMT
 Ooooohhhhh!!!!! |
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Post by Rascoth on Oct 31, 2018 17:21:57 GMT
Let us hope it doesn't have holes in its walls like other Skyhold we know  |
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 31, 2018 17:24:03 GMT
Let us hope it doesn't have holes in its walls like other Skyhold we know Jen @russiancatsjen I hope the walls have less holes... 😜 Fernando Melo DiscoBabalooIt has character  [HASH]DAT |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Oct 31, 2018 17:30:13 GMT
Let us hope it doesn't have holes in its walls like other Skyhold we know Jen @russiancatsjen I hope the walls have less holes... 😜 Fernando Melo DiscoBabalooIt has character  |
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Post by LukeBarrett on Oct 31, 2018 18:01:01 GMT
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Post by themikefest on Oct 31, 2018 18:30:16 GMT
Let us hope it doesn't have holes in its walls like other Skyhold we know If there are holes, how long will it take to close them up? |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 31, 2018 18:35:27 GMT
Quick, now's our chance!  |
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Post by Serza on Oct 31, 2018 18:52:36 GMT
WE BOW DOWN TO YOU, OH MIGHTY DEV.
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Post by Rascoth on Oct 31, 2018 19:03:58 GMT
Let us hope it doesn't have holes in its walls like other Skyhold we know If there are holes, how long will it take to close them up? Definitely longer than DAI's in-game time  |
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 31, 2018 21:06:40 GMT
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 31, 2018 21:11:38 GMT
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