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Post by rras1994 on Dec 2, 2018 21:06:12 GMT
I'm not sure it's as polarising as you think, even on this forum were as extreme fans of Dragon Age probably have more of an idea in their head of the way they think the series should go, the vote in that thread had about double the people not want the Inquisitor as the main protag (56%) compared to those who did want the Inquisitor to return as the main protag (31%). The vast majority said they would play any way as well, with only one vote saying they wouldn't play the game if the Inquisitor wasn't the main Protag. If you read the posts of this forum you'd think that more people felt really really strongly about the Inquisitor being the main protag in this forum but that's not actually the case. A small minority can appear louder trhen we think. I don't think overall, the main consumer base of Dragon Age is hung up on the issue - I've never seen it mentioned when DA is brought up in other gaming forums. That would be me. Still feel that way too. I could tell it was you.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 2, 2018 21:08:48 GMT
More then 4 years, since if it’ll be announced it won’t be released at best until the very end of 2019, but more likely 2020/21. Yea, true - but then we'll have to keep in mind that Trespasser was released September 2015.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 2, 2018 21:10:13 GMT
More then 4 years, since if it’ll be announced it won’t be released at best until the very end of 2019, but more likely 2020/21. Yea, true - but then we'll have to keep in mind that Trespasser was released September 2015. And if it's like most DLC, you are looking at about 20% having played it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 2, 2018 21:13:16 GMT
The story points where it does and does so very overtly. I don't necessarily think that it means that Inquisitor will come back as the main protag - but the main protagonist ain't the only viable way they can be back and play a vital role in the story. It's the only way that they won't ruin things however.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 2, 2018 21:13:39 GMT
Yea, true - but then we'll have to keep in mind that Trespasser was released September 2015. And if it's like most DLC, you are looking at about 20% having played it. Well if we're being pedantic some studies have shown that only about 30% of players ever finish the game. Probably even less when it's a game as big as an RPG. Either way, it doesn't matter - what I meant is that they released major story content at the time and just like other DLCs for previous titles (Legacy, Awakening), these are canonical.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 2, 2018 21:20:40 GMT
And if it's like most DLC, you are looking at about 20% having played it. Well if we're being pedantic some studies have shown that only about 30% of players ever finish the game. Probably even less when it's a game as big as an RPG. Either way, it doesn't matter - what I meant is that they release a major story content at the time and just like other DLCs for previous titles (Legacy, Awakening), these are canonical. It's canonical but I would say the vast majority of gamers are going to need a recap in the next game and if it's like DAI (which hopefully it is for BioWare's sake) it will actually be quite a large margins' of players first time playing the game as it will attract alot of newcomers. Hopefully the Keep will help keep people largely a good idea of what's going on - which why I still think it would be awesome if it was actually linked to the new game rather than in an outside browser. But regardless of what BioWare does they will need to explain what's going on to people.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 2, 2018 21:29:36 GMT
Well if we're being pedantic some studies have shown that only about 30% of players ever finish the game. Probably even less when it's a game as big as an RPG. Either way, it doesn't matter - what I meant is that they release a major story content at the time and just like other DLCs for previous titles (Legacy, Awakening), these are canonical. It's canonical but I would say the vast majority of gamers are going to need a recap in the next game and if it's like DAI (which hopefully it is for BioWare's sake) it will actually be quite a large margins' of players first time playing the game as it will attract alot of newcomers. Hopefully the Keep will help keep people largely a good idea of what's going on - which why I still think it would be awesome if it was actually linked to the new game rather than in an outside browser. But regardless of what BioWare does they will need to explain what's going on to people. Oh, there's no question about that. The recap of some sort will be necessary anyhow, even if everybody was on board with the specific protagonist or where the story seems to go or whatever. So many things have happened in last 4 years that even diehard fans would probably need a refresher of some sort just to get themselves in the mood. And yes... I do hope that we'll get meaty Keep updates, together with Varic summarizing our Inquisition world-state, just like he did with DAO and DAII.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 2, 2018 21:55:52 GMT
That would be me. Still feel that way too.; Didn't you say the same about ME if Ryder doesn't return?
I would not be surprised if you end up buying the game, even if it's at a discount, especially if the game turns out to be very good.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 2, 2018 22:17:47 GMT
That would be me. Still feel that way too.; Didn't you say the same about ME if Ryder doesn't return?
I would not be surprised if you end up buying the game, even if it's at a discount, especially if the game turns out to be very good. No, I said I would prefer that Ryder returns but I never said I wouldn’t buy the next game if they didn’t.
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The DA games will really be different without Gaider. Just like ME without Drew. Both are really awesome writers. I miss them.
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Post by Solas on Dec 2, 2018 22:51:19 GMT
The only way to avoid or lower criticisms would be if DA4 won’t focus on Solas and his quest. ΣΣ(゚д゚lll) dont talk to me or my 790807 children ever again
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Post by LukeBarrett on Dec 2, 2018 22:59:49 GMT
I mostly just convey general sentiments I pick up on, in this case nervous excitement. The only time laughing happens on our end, it's usually to the tune of: 'they think X? Wait until they hear about Y!' I think Luke Barrett is lurking around to see how much hype there is in the forums, then he tells to his co-workers about developments and they all laugh reading our posts.
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Post by melbella on Dec 2, 2018 23:04:22 GMT
Doesn't have a snowball's chance in the Ninth Circle of Hell Since the Ninth Circle is icy cold, at least according to Dante, the snowball should fare pretty well.
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 3, 2018 0:16:27 GMT
Doesn't have a snowball's chance in the Ninth Circle of Hell Since the Ninth Circle is icy cold, at least according to Dante, the snowball should fare pretty well. Ah, you’re right. I always seem to think that the frozen lake for traitors is higher up.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Dec 3, 2018 0:40:53 GMT
'they think X? Wait until they hear about Y!' *the devs reaction to our reactions*
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 3, 2018 1:57:30 GMT
Got it. About the Inquisitor, it’s sadly a lose-lose situation, which means that they’d get criticized if it’ll be the MC in DA4, or if it won’t, due to how polarizing it was. They have proven they’re willing to ignore the obvious connections and plans they had before (Hawke as Inquisitor), so it won’t be something new if they proceed with a new MC, but then again, the connection to Solas is much bigger and direct. The only way to avoid or lower criticisms would be if DA4 won’t focus on Solas and his quest.Pretty sure that'd be its own level of (rightly deserved, imo) criticism.
I see the main bit of crit on it being the inquisitor coming from people who either disliked Inquisition or those who liked it fine, but want to be done with the Inquisitor now. For those who disliked Inquisition in general, I doubt they're going ot be all that positive about DA4 before it releases and they see it themselves, anyway. And for the latter camp, if it turns out that the Inq is definitely gonna come back, they'd likely at least be willing to see how the story continues before making a judgement, generally. Plus, there's nothing excluding a dual-protagonist scenario, so they could still get to play as a new MC anyway.
I mostly just convey general sentiments I pick up on, in this case nervous excitement. The only time laughing happens on our end, it's usually to the tune of: 'they think X? Wait until they hear about Y!' I think Luke Barrett is lurking around to see how much hype there is in the forums, then he tells to his co-workers about developments and they all laugh reading our posts. Hiiii, Luke. Hope you're enjoying our freak out. Does the studio need to be mailed some popcorn? I'm sure we can find something gourmet.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 3, 2018 2:24:08 GMT
Dual-protagonist scenario is something that would take a lot of efforts to be done properly, and I don’t think Bioware will be able to do it properly, and to be honest, I’d prefer they spend the resources to work on that on something else. But if they’d be able to do so, I’m not against it.
For the criticism part, the same was said for DA2, and yet many that didn’t like Hawke or dislike DA2 were willing to try Inquisition, and there are people that loved the latter (if I recall, Hanako in this thread didn’t like Hawke as a MC and love the Inquisitor). So, I don’t think BioWare would necessarily go towards catering only to the Inquisitor/Inquisition fans. I personally don’t have a stake in either side and am willing to see how the game looks regardless of the protagonist. I simply think both sides are possible, and will draw criticism.
I did stare that not focusing on Solas might just lower the criticism and not erase it, though I don’t think it’d be necessarily deserved. While Solas’ plot is clearly an important one, and I do want to know more about that and the elven related lore (if not also more of the Big Secrets) it doesn’t mean they have to necessarily address it in the next game. It’s not like the Reaper Wars in ME, and even there they waited another game to work on it (which might’ve been a mistake in retrospect, but still).
Expecially in the case they’d want it to be central event for the series, they might want to pile on it with more plot points for different stories. While not a perfect example due to how long it took, think of Thanos and the Infinity War arc that was foreshadowed from the first Avengers movie.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 3, 2018 2:47:05 GMT
(if I recall, Hanako in this thread didn’t like Hawke as a MC and love the Inquisitor). I wouldn’t say I disliked Hawke as a MC. They were my least favorite of the five recent protagonists but I still liked them. Now I did really dislike what happened to them when they were a NPC since they didn’t match how I played them at all, so you may be thinking of that(just another reason the Inquisitor needs to be the PC and not a NPC).
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 3, 2018 3:43:44 GMT
(if I recall, Hanako in this thread didn’t like Hawke as a MC and love the Inquisitor). I wouldn’t say I disliked Hawke as a MC. They were my least favorite of the five recent protagonists but I still liked them. Now I did really dislike what happened to them when they were a NPC since they didn’t match how I played them at all, so you may be thinking of that(just another reason the Inquisitor needs to be the PC and not a NPC). Yeah, I likely mixed the two things up, though I did remember you preferred the Inquisitor over Hawke. And that is certainly a risk, since there’s no way for them to handle the Inquisitor as an NPC in a way that would address how everyone has played him/her. I do hope, in the event that they’ll announce the game, no matter how little they’ll show or say, that they’d be clear on this matter.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 3, 2018 5:31:26 GMT
I wouldn’t say I disliked Hawke as a MC. They were my least favorite of the five recent protagonists but I still liked them. Now I did really dislike what happened to them when they were a NPC since they didn’t match how I played them at all, so you may be thinking of that(just another reason the Inquisitor needs to be the PC and not a NPC). Yeah, I likely mixed the two things up, though I did remember you preferred the Inquisitor over Hawke. And that is certainly a risk, since there’s no way for them to handle the Inquisitor as an NPC in a way that would address how everyone has played him/her. I do hope, in the event that they’ll announce the game, no matter how little they’ll show or say, that they’d be clear on this matter. Yep, the Inquisitor is my favorite BioWare protagonist. That’s not why I want them to return however since I’ve said before if it wasn’t for Trespasser I would have been fine being a new character since then the Inquisitor’s story would have been finished. Yeah, especially with the poor track record so far since none of the PCs-turned-NPCs they’ve done have matched my characters. And those characters were more simple than the Inquisitor. I do too. Something as simple as a single line or shot that confirms one way or the other if it’ll happen is all I need to know right now.
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Post by noviere on Dec 3, 2018 11:21:51 GMT
I love my Inquisitor but one of the things I enjoy about Dragon Age is that each game has a new protagonist. While I wouldn't be opposed to playing as the Inquisitor again, I'd be shocked if Bioware broke with "tradition" and re-used them.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 3, 2018 11:43:58 GMT
I love my Inquisitor but one of the things I enjoy about Dragon Age is that each game has a new protagonist. While I wouldn't be opposed to playing as the Inquisitor again, I'd be shocked if Bioware broke with "tradition" and re-used them. A thing to keep in mind is they don’t really wanted to have a tradition on that to begin for with. Hawke was planned to be the main protagonist for at least two games, since he was supposed to be the Inquisitor (that’s why they marketed Hawke so much as the most important person in Thedas, and why in game Cassandra was searching him, as well as the Legacy plot). While I’m not sure the Inquisitor is going to be the MC again, Trespasser can be easily seen in the same way as the Hawke Inquisitor plan, with a tie on a even more important plot for the series (since the whole Solas reveals were part of the Big Lore secrets of DA).
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 3, 2018 11:53:14 GMT
I love my Inquisitor but one of the things I enjoy about Dragon Age is that each game has a new protagonist. While I wouldn't be opposed to playing as the Inquisitor again, I'd be shocked if Bioware broke with "tradition" and re-used them. A thing to keep in mind is they don’t really wanted to have a tradition on that to begin for with. Hawke was planned to be the main protagonist for at least two games, since he was supposed to be the Inquisitor (that’s why they marketed Hawke so much as the most important person in Thedas, and why in game Cassandra was searching him, as well as the Legacy plot). While I’m not sure the Inquisitor is going to be the MC again, Trespasser can be easily seen in the same way as the Hawke Inquisitor plan, with a tie on a even more important plot for the series (since the whole Solas reveals were part of the Big Lore secrets of DA). The plans about Hawke were never made as overt as plans for Inquisitor, nevermind that they had way more time to construct the plot compared to DA2 - which was supposed to be an expansion for DAO first, AFAIK, and its final shape was determined by DA2's uber-short development time. I recall devs stating that with DAI, and especially Trespasser, they were way more deliberate about stuff like epilogues and where they're pointing at. One only figures that it's the same with any plans towards any existing characters. Of course, plans can always change. But - as it was mentioned - they don't seem to be straying from that Trespasser vision with the direction their comics take, which so far appear to be designed to fill in any gaps between DAI and whatever happens next.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Dec 3, 2018 12:01:03 GMT
I love my Inquisitor but one of the things I enjoy about Dragon Age is that each game has a new protagonist. While I wouldn't be opposed to playing as the Inquisitor again, I'd be shocked if Bioware broke with "tradition" and re-used them. A thing to keep in mind is they don’t really wanted to have a tradition on that to begin for with. Hawke was planned to be the main protagonist for at least two games, since he was supposed to be the Inquisitor (that’s why they marketed Hawke so much as the most important person in Thedas, and why in game Cassandra was searching him, as well as the Legacy plot). While I’m not sure the Inquisitor is going to be the MC again, Trespasser can be easily seen in the same way as the Hawke Inquisitor plan, with a tie on a even more important plot for the series (since the whole Solas reveals were part of the Big Lore secrets of DA). It's kinda difficult to swing a staff or a sword with only one hand. I foresee Inky only as a advisor role. Giving the player missions etc.
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