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Post by The Elder King on Dec 3, 2018 12:05:37 GMT
A thing to keep in mind is they don’t really wanted to have a tradition on that to begin for with. Hawke was planned to be the main protagonist for at least two games, since he was supposed to be the Inquisitor (that’s why they marketed Hawke so much as the most important person in Thedas, and why in game Cassandra was searching him, as well as the Legacy plot). While I’m not sure the Inquisitor is going to be the MC again, Trespasser can be easily seen in the same way as the Hawke Inquisitor plan, with a tie on a even more important plot for the series (since the whole Solas reveals were part of the Big Lore secrets of DA). The plans about Hawke were never made as overt as plans for Inquisitor, nevermind that they had way more time to construct the plot compared to DA2 - which was supposed to be an expansion for DAO first, AFAIK, and its final shape was determined by DA2's uber-short development time. I recall devs stating that with DAI, and especially Trespasser, they were way more deliberate about stuff like epilogues and where they're pointing at. One only figures that it's the same with any plans towards any existing characters. Of course, plans can always change. But - as it was mentioned - they don't seem to be straying from that Trespasser vision with the direction their comics take, which so far appear to be designed to fill in any gaps between DAI and whatever happens next. I did say that the ties and hints are deeper with Inquisitor-Solas then it was for Hawke-Inquisition. Still, it was plan. As far as I remember, though, DA2 wasn’t meant to be an expansion. They actually planned (there were posts on it in the legacy forum) Inquisition as a sequel of DAO. Because they didn’t have enough development time (Maybe also for giving the Inquisitor already a backstory and reason for being chosen as such, but on that I’m not nearly as sure), they planned Exodus, which then became DA2. If exodus was supposed to be an expansion, I’m not sure, but Inquisition predating DA2 is true, as well as Hawke planned to become Inquisitor. A hint of that was given right in one of the earliest videos in DA2 development, when Laidlaw, Darrah and the Art design lead were discussing something around the Changes between Origins and 2. They played a concept art video where a version of Hawke was together a party of a barbarian qunari with an hammer, a grey Warden with a sword shield, and a femal elf archer with a mowhak. Which was later shown during DAI development in concept art. They were likely the early concept of IB, Blackwall and Sera.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 3, 2018 12:34:36 GMT
The plans about Hawke were never made as overt as plans for Inquisitor, nevermind that they had way more time to construct the plot compared to DA2 - which was supposed to be an expansion for DAO first, AFAIK, and its final shape was determined by DA2's uber-short development time. I recall devs stating that with DAI, and especially Trespasser, they were way more deliberate about stuff like epilogues and where they're pointing at. One only figures that it's the same with any plans towards any existing characters. Of course, plans can always change. But - as it was mentioned - they don't seem to be straying from that Trespasser vision with the direction their comics take, which so far appear to be designed to fill in any gaps between DAI and whatever happens next. I did say that the ties and hints are deeper with Inquisitor-Solas then it was for Hawke-Inquisition. Still, it was plan. As far as I remember, though, DA2 wasn’t meant to be an expansion. They actually planned (there were posts on it in the legacy forum) Inquisition as a sequel of DAO. Because they didn’t have enough development time (Maybe also for giving the Inquisitor already a backstory and reason for being chosen as such, but on that I’m not nearly as sure), they planned Exodus, which then became DA2. ...Which began its life as a possible expansion for DAO according to the book on the topic and interviews with the devs in it. They didn't have as much time and resources given to develop a game as large as DAI so they've decided to make DAII into a 2nd chapter rather than expansion. It made sense for something to exist as a transition piece between DAO and DAI though. After all, DAII wasn't just about Hawke - it was about setting things they didn't manage to set up in DAO: mage-templar conflict, red lyrium, qunari and Corypheus. The shape of how it's been told has been determined by its development time tho, hence playing as human only and more personal story or even Varric re-telling it. Either way - what remains of the plans they set up earlier or with DAI, or Trespasser or even comics remains to be seen. But so far, with stuff like Trespasser and current auxiliary materials, they seem to make a conscious effort to say 'expect 2nd part of Inquisition next'. Will it be so? Welp, I guess we're going to speculate about it till very close to release or even after it, because something tells me that whatever they're going to reveal about DA4 in hopefully-very-near-future may not tell us much and Bioware has grown fairly reluctant to share details about their upcoming titles
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 3, 2018 13:11:33 GMT
I did say that the ties and hints are deeper with Inquisitor-Solas then it was for Hawke-Inquisition. Still, it was plan. As far as I remember, though, DA2 wasn’t meant to be an expansion. They actually planned (there were posts on it in the legacy forum) Inquisition as a sequel of DAO. Because they didn’t have enough development time (Maybe also for giving the Inquisitor already a backstory and reason for being chosen as such, but on that I’m not nearly as sure), they planned Exodus, which then became DA2. ...Which began its life as a possible expansion for DAO according to the book on the topic and interviews with the devs in it. They didn't have as much time and resources given to develop a game as large as DAI so they've decided to make DAII into a 2nd chapter rather than expansion. It made sense for something to exist as a transition piece between DAO and DAI though. After all, DAII wasn't just about Hawke - it was about setting things they didn't manage to set up in DAO: mage-templar conflict, red lyrium, qunari and Corypheus. The shape of how it's been told has been determined by its development time tho, hence playing as human only and more personal story or even Varric re-telling it. Either way - what remains of the plans they set up earlier or with DAI, or Trespasser or even comics remains to be seen. But so far, with stuff like Trespasser and current auxiliary materials, they seem to make a conscious effort to say 'expect 2nd part of Inquisition next'. Will it be so? Welp, I guess we're going to speculate about it till very close to release or even after it, because something tells me that whatever they're going to reveal about DA4 in hopefully-very-near-future may not tell us much and Bioware has grown fairly reluctant to share details about their upcoming titles I do agree on the transition part, though sadly the lack of development time lead them to change their plans for Inquisition and the MC. I think that for the plot they went on for it, Hawke would’ve worked better as the protagonist. I do wonder though, if they went in that direction, would they’d have made Trespasser as it is currently, when tying Hawke-Inquisitor to then Solas’ plot? I guess it’s something we’ll never know. I do think that if they’ll announce the game at the Game awards, with a trailer, that we’d get enough info to at least figure out the protagonist, and maybe even the central plot. If it’ll be announced as it was DAI, with just a post (and follow di the year later by the E3 reveal trailer), then it might be more vague.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 3, 2018 13:31:01 GMT
A thing to keep in mind is they don’t really wanted to have a tradition on that to begin for with. Hawke was planned to be the main protagonist for at least two games, since he was supposed to be the Inquisitor (that’s why they marketed Hawke so much as the most important person in Thedas, and why in game Cassandra was searching him, as well as the Legacy plot). While I’m not sure the Inquisitor is going to be the MC again, Trespasser can be easily seen in the same way as the Hawke Inquisitor plan, with a tie on a even more important plot for the series (since the whole Solas reveals were part of the Big Lore secrets of DA). It's kinda difficult to swing a staff or a sword with only one hand. I foresee Inky only as a advisor role. Giving the player missions etc. Or possibly playable for certain plot focused non-combat sections.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 3, 2018 13:37:14 GMT
...Which began its life as a possible expansion for DAO according to the book on the topic and interviews with the devs in it. They didn't have as much time and resources given to develop a game as large as DAI so they've decided to make DAII into a 2nd chapter rather than expansion. It made sense for something to exist as a transition piece between DAO and DAI though. After all, DAII wasn't just about Hawke - it was about setting things they didn't manage to set up in DAO: mage-templar conflict, red lyrium, qunari and Corypheus. The shape of how it's been told has been determined by its development time tho, hence playing as human only and more personal story or even Varric re-telling it. Either way - what remains of the plans they set up earlier or with DAI, or Trespasser or even comics remains to be seen. But so far, with stuff like Trespasser and current auxiliary materials, they seem to make a conscious effort to say 'expect 2nd part of Inquisition next'. Will it be so? Welp, I guess we're going to speculate about it till very close to release or even after it, because something tells me that whatever they're going to reveal about DA4 in hopefully-very-near-future may not tell us much and Bioware has grown fairly reluctant to share details about their upcoming titles I do agree on the transition part, though sadly the lack of development time lead them to change their plans for Inquisition and the MC. I think that for the plot they went on for it, Hawke would’ve worked better as the protagonist. I do wonder though, if they went in that direction, would they’d have made Trespasser as it is currently, when tying Hawke-Inquisitor to then Solas’ plot? I guess it’s something we’ll never know. I think both protagonists work because the themes in Inquisition can be attacked from both angles - both from a position of weary and wary already-hero with ties to events and somebody who just got into an unexpected mess found themselves with a tremendous responsibility hoisted on their back. I do think that the game with Hawke Inquisitor would look quite different. But many things also would also come more pre-determined and fixed. And regardless of what one thinks of the execution, I think adding races and different backgrounds work for the story and the emotional breadth of storylines we can explore in different playthroughs. There's something in terms of emotional quandaries for each race that isn't necessarily tied to previous actions and consequences, which are also ours to determine. The relationship with Solas would probably be a bit different too - even if due to the fact that the breadth of it would also be limited to friendship and lack thereof. I'm not sure it'd be as big of a disparity with what we got and what would be there with Hawke in Trespasser, given that at the time of it Inquisitor is no less experienced, weary and wary after going through everything they did and realizing it's not over yet and in fact they're facing an even more uphill battle. If the story goes where I think it may: a more or less covert battle of wills and wits between two veterans, with a shared story and experience, on two sides of the conflict then I think we're where we are supposed to be, story-wise. Well, a trailer is a... relative term. I'm not sure what we can expect - what they show may as well be as vague as a teaser for The Elder Scrolls VI which was... just a title and some landscape. Plus, it's Bioware - if they left us with Trespasser to reel for years, whys should they stop now? We have to go through Anthem release with just enough to speculate till they throw us another bone.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 3, 2018 13:42:42 GMT
A thing to keep in mind is they don’t really wanted to have a tradition on that to begin for with. Hawke was planned to be the main protagonist for at least two games, since he was supposed to be the Inquisitor (that’s why they marketed Hawke so much as the most important person in Thedas, and why in game Cassandra was searching him, as well as the Legacy plot). While I’m not sure the Inquisitor is going to be the MC again, Trespasser can be easily seen in the same way as the Hawke Inquisitor plan, with a tie on a even more important plot for the series (since the whole Solas reveals were part of the Big Lore secrets of DA). It's kinda difficult to swing a staff or a sword with only one hand. I foresee Inky only as a advisor role. Giving the player missions etc Also, this: And you think it's a coincidence that many DA devs have been enthusing about a movie featuring this heroine? Regardless of where the story will go, Inquisitor remains one of the wealthiest, most powerful figures with ties to some of the most brilliant minds in Thedas. If anybody is going to have a fancy, combat-ready prosthetic, it's them.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 3, 2018 13:49:06 GMT
Yep, both protagonists would have had their pros and cons, and in the end, it comes down to how someone feels about those. As a general rule, I love race options, so I liked that in Inquisition. I just think Hawke would’ve given a connections to the plots, to Corypheus, to several characters that the Inquisitor didn’t for me. But it’d have lead to less roleplaying options, and I do think that the Inquisitor didn’t work as well as I thought because of the execution. I did prefer roleplay him/her in DAI then Hawke in DA2, howewer.
A teaser like TESVI doesn’t seem that likely to me, because the Game Awards generally show reveals with a bit more substance then that. And if that’s all they’d shown, it’d be the same as in revealing a Mobile game, in the sense that they shouldn’t have hyped us for practically nothing.
Besides, If they are working on DA4 and announcing it, it should be quite closer to release then TESVI. Anthem is near release, while Bethesda hasn’t shown nothing yet about Starfield, which will be released before the former.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Dec 3, 2018 16:34:43 GMT
It's kinda difficult to swing a staff or a sword with only one hand. I foresee Inky only as a advisor role. Giving the player missions etc Also, this: And you think it's a coincidence that many DA devs have been enthusing about a movie featuring this heroine? Regardless of where the story will go, Inquisitor remains one of the wealthiest, most powerful figures with ties to some of the most brilliant minds in Thedas. If somebody is going to have a fancy, combat-ready prosthetic, it's them. I'm not gonna complain if they make Inky playable, its just a bit convenient thats all. Like, all of sudden now you ad this?
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Post by Felya87 on Dec 3, 2018 16:51:28 GMT
It's kinda difficult to swing a staff or a sword with only one hand. I foresee Inky only as a advisor role. Giving the player missions etc Also, this: And you think it's a coincidence that many DA devs have been enthusing about a movie featuring this heroine? Regardless of where the story will go, Inquisitor remains one of the wealthiest, most powerful figures with ties to some of the most brilliant minds in Thedas. If somebody is going to have a fancy, combat-ready prosthetic, it's them. It would actually be good from a gameplay point of view too! With having to basically learn again how to fight with a new arm, the Inquisitor can actually have a good excuse to start from level one again.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 3, 2018 17:05:33 GMT
I'm not gonna complain if they make Inky playable, its just a bit convenient thats all. Like, all of sudden now you ad this? Convenient? It would be if it came out of nowhere. But it doesn't. Inquisition has wealth and connections, we saw it being built and set throughout the duration of the game - so out of all DA PCs it'd be least surprising to see Inquisitor get some new gadgets (in fact we saw one in Trespasser - Dorian marvels that mere connection to Inquisition lets him obtain rarities like sending crystal... hint, hint?).
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I'm fairly sure the Inquisitor won't be the protagonist in DA4, not because of some dragon age "tradition", but because of what they say at the very end of Trespasser. "Solas knows us too well, our strengths and weaknesses" "Then we find people he doesn't know" If the focus of DA4 is Solas of course the Inquisitor will be there as well, but I think they will be an advisor or the power behind the courtain. If the comics are any indication, it's likely the new group will act with the support of the Inquisition (or the "shadow" Inquisition, depending on your choice in Trespasser), but having the same leader would be counterproductive since Solas already knows everything about them and has probably a lot of spies watching their movements
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 4, 2018 15:33:57 GMT
I'm fairly sure the Inquisitor won't be the protagonist in DA4, not because of some dragon age "tradition", but because of what they say at the very end of Trespasser. "Solas knows us too well, our strengths and weaknesses" "Then we find people he doesn't know" If the focus of DA4 is Solas of course the Inquisitor will be there as well, but I think they will be an advisor or the power behind the courtain. If the comics are any indication, it's likely the new group will act with the support of the Inquisition (or the "shadow" Inquisition, depending on your choice in Trespasser), but having the same leader would be counterproductive since Solas already knows everything about them and has probably a lot of spies watching their movements I and many others I've noticed interpreted that line as referring to getting new companions for the most part, thinking the comics may be introducing some of these "people he doesn't know". I don't agree with the argument that he knows us too well for one simple reason: it applies to everyone. If we play as a new character, once we interfere with his plans he just jumps into that character's dreams and knows everything about them too and we are no better off. Meanwhile the Inquisitor has a little advantage since they know Solas more than a new character would in the same way being argued as evidence against their return. Not to mention all the other dialogue and actions that lean the opposite of what this argument implies that line means.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 4, 2018 15:43:43 GMT
I'm fairly sure the Inquisitor won't be the protagonist in DA4, not because of some dragon age "tradition", but because of what they say at the very end of Trespasser. "Solas knows us too well, our strengths and weaknesses" "Then we find people he doesn't know" If the focus of DA4 is Solas of course the Inquisitor will be there as well, but I think they will be an advisor or the power behind the courtain. If the comics are any indication, it's likely the new group will act with the support of the Inquisition (or the "shadow" Inquisition, depending on your choice in Trespasser), but having the same leader would be counterproductive since Solas already knows everything about them and has probably a lot of spies watching their movements True, but Inquisitor said so in the context of still being at the front of organizing an effort to do something about Solas. Whether they're going to be an adviser or PC/secondary PC, they have been pretty clearly anointed as Dread Wolf's counterpart in this conflict. And as much as Solas has an advantage over Inquisition in knowing their quirks and modus operandi... well, so does Inquisition. He was our companion after all. And unless we just happen to stumble upon someone who knew Solas all those years ago, Inquisitor and Inquisition are basically the ONLY people who know anything about him, his past and plans - and if we befriend/romance him, we also leave him emotionally compromised. We spent an entire game building a relationship between them, so it's hard to imagine that any new PC would have a connection to him that is anything close to that between Inky and Solas (even in case they are not fond of one another).
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 4, 2018 15:51:47 GMT
I don’t really want the Inquisitor to be the protagonist mostly just because building a new protagonist is part of what I enjoy about Dragon Age games. That being said, I like them in a secondary dual protagonist role because I think the Inquisitor needs to be involved in defeating Solas.
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Kenna Rylen @kennarylen#IronBull because he is perfection! @realfpjr @biomarkdarrah #DragonAge #bioware StarGeeek @stargeeekThat b*stard broke my heart! (((Ronnie Melamed))) @prettynose92Did you break his, first? Kenna Rylen @kennarylenExactly. One action does necessitate the other 😭 (((Ronnie Melamed))) @prettynose92I mean how can people be surprised that he puts the Qun before those he loves, after refusing the opportunity to teach him that he's allowed to care more about those he loves than about the Qun Fred Claus Prinze ... Jr🎅🏼 @realfpjrActually the motive of Qun over love is over blown. The motive was based on Bull’s love for people he is responsible for, The Chargers. Sacrifice them and it is a betrayal. They even shot a scene where his eyes go dead in an embrace IF the inquisitor chooses to sacrifice them 😈 [HASH]DAT
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Post by Mresa on Dec 4, 2018 16:25:53 GMT
I don’t really want the Inquisitor to be the protagonist mostly just because building a new protagonist is part of what I enjoy about Dragon Age games. That being said, I like them in a secondary dual protagonist role because I think the Inquisitor needs to be involved in defeating Solas. Happy Dragon 4ge Day everybody This.
I've always felt that Dragon Age has been about multiple heroes across Thedas having their own story and adventure, so not just about one special individual. So I don't want to play again as Inquisitor, Hawke or Warden, their part of the story is over in my books. Don't mind hearing some tidbits in later games like how they're remembered and such but that's about it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 4, 2018 16:31:50 GMT
I don’t really want the Inquisitor to be the protagonist mostly just because building a new protagonist is part of what I enjoy about Dragon Age games. That being said, I like them in a secondary dual protagonist role because I think the Inquisitor needs to be involved in defeating Solas. Happy Dragon 4ge Day everybody This.
I've always felt that Dragon Age has been about multiple heroes across Thedas having their own story and adventure, so not just about one special individual. So I don't want to play again as Inquisitor, Hawke or Warden, their part of the story is over in my books. Don't mind hearing some tidbits in later games like how they're remembered and such but that's about it.
Then they should have left the Inquisitor's story as finished instead of undoing everything with Trespasser.
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Post by Fredward on Dec 4, 2018 16:34:38 GMT
If it's a choice between Quisie or a new protag I'll pick the new protag, I want someone embedded in the Tevinter context. With the idea of a dual protagonist system I see incredibly sexy storytelling possibilities wrt setting up conflicting goals for your protags like redeeming/killing Solas. Still want to primarily play with the new protagonist but have us make key decisions for the Inquisitor.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 4, 2018 17:13:15 GMT
Mad Incraft @vzaitsevlaw Someone needs to write The Making of Dragon Age before the details are lost in the mists of time. @patrickweekes ? @karinweekes ? @davidgaider ?
David Gaider @davidgaider Not with MY memory.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 4, 2018 17:21:47 GMT
Steve Valentine @stevevalentineHey all happy #Dragon4geDay ! I'm planning an Instagram Live today at 1230pm PST, Have not done one in a long time, I may also be popping up on a few DA fan sites this week ) @stevevalentine on IG spread the word! [HASH]DAT
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 4, 2018 17:33:18 GMT
This.
I've always felt that Dragon Age has been about multiple heroes across Thedas having their own story and adventure, so not just about one special individual. So I don't want to play again as Inquisitor, Hawke or Warden, their part of the story is over in my books. Don't mind hearing some tidbits in later games like how they're remembered and such but that's about it.
Then they should have left the Inquisitor's story as finished instead of undoing everything with Trespasser. Yep. Before Trespasser I thought we were pretty much done with Inquisitor. That either they're going to be eliminated, vanished somewhere or we're moving far enough for them to be an echo in the background - but nope. Trespasser kinda made it clear that they're there to stay and, apparently - and I quote Inky - save the world... again.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 4, 2018 17:59:27 GMT
Then they should have left the Inquisitor's story as finished instead of undoing everything with Trespasser. Yep. Before Trespasser I thought we were pretty much done with Inquisitor. That either they're going to be eliminated, vanished somewhere or we're moving far enough for them to be an echo in the background - but nope. Trespasser kinda made it clear that they're there to stay and, apparently - and I quote Inky - save the world... again. I do agree that it seems like Trespasser was meant to set up a further role of the Inquisitor in other games. However, whose idea was that? If Laidlaw was the one that made that decision (maybe in concert with the lead writer, Gaider), the new game director might have different plans. The comics seem to follow the Trespasser idea, but they’re not a sure thing.
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